Noooooooooooooooooooooooo! Not YOGA! Satan does yoga!

You'll get raped by sex demons, SanCho...SEX DEMONS!

~Zoo

I'm-a stay away from KFC's first point and ask something else.



Where do people get this theory? In the Bible, there is no mention of Lilith. So where'd she come from?

Judaic mythology. It has no real bearing on the Bible at all(well, she was cut out of it)...but it's another story if you care to read.

Here's some stuff about her: Lilith

~Zoo

Me, I'd fornicate with a Demon any time any ol' Demon cared to ask. Not only would I, but I have.

There's a movie I like. It's called 'Angel Heart'. The gist of the story is unimportant, as is the cast list (though it does feature a thoroughly sinister Robert DeNiro in the role of Satan). The plot involves an inexplicable murder somewhere in the Deep South. It features VooDoo, and the evocation of Principalities of Darkness.

Some pathetic secret is to be concealed, and the aid of angels is involved in hiding it. As part of that evocation a human woman participates in sex with a Demon, or an Angel, or something entirely Nameless. The sex is one part of the price paid to secure the aid that's required. The murder is another part of that same price. If you look in the ancient texts, you'll find that Angels (or Demons, there's actually no difference) are closely associated with both sex and blood. Human sex and human blood. Whatever angels/demons actually are, they appear to have a keen desire for both.

It is entirely possible to evoke the presence of a non-human entity for the purpose of sexual congress. I say this in all seriousness as one who has successfully participated in such an evocation. And with the character in 'Angel Heart' who inspired me to seek such an evocation, I can say in all truth that no human sexual act in my experience ever came remotely close to equalling it in power or satisfaction.

Let no one mistake me. When I say these things it's not done for effect; it's not done to convey an image or an impression. It's not done to enhance a reputation.

I say these things in the same way that I might say "I am qualified to drive." Or, "I am legally married." Or, "I work as a draftsman." I say them as a bare accounting of my experience. KFC is not wrong to believe that what she describes as the 'demonic', or the 'occult', is real. I attest to, and give witness to, the fact of that reality. She is utterly wrong in her interpretation of the meaning of that reality, but I agree with her entirely when she speaks of its existence.

Nor is she wrong when speaking of the power of this reality to sway the human mind - those human minds that are already in fundamental agreement with the nature of that reality, that is. No one is damned against their will. No one is 'sent' to hell. Those who go there, do so because they want to.

Why do they want to? Because the experience of that form of reality so utterly transcends, and through transcendence transforms, the experience of this form of reality that one can't go back. One can't unknow what one has come to know. As the character in 'Angel Heart' declares, sex with the Demon was the best sex she'd ever known, and every lover she might ever take afterward will be a failure in comparison. She knows she's doomed to a life of sexual dis-satisfaction but she doesn't care. Because to know once, and in perfect completeness, is better than a lifetime of imposture and deceit.

One scandal of Christian mysticism is its overt comparison of the mystical knowledge of God to sexual knowledge. When the Christian mystic 'knows' God he or she does so in the sense that Noah 'knew ' his daughters, in the way that Adam 'knew' Eve, in the way that David and Solomon both alike 'knew' their concubines. Mystics of the Christian tradition know their God sexually. Read Teresa of Avila, look at the sculpture of her in the throes of 'knowing' God, read her account of being penetrated by the spear of God. The sexual content of these experiences, and of the experiences of Hildegard of Tubingen, of Julian of Norwich, of a plethora of other female Christian anchorites and Prophetesses, is undeniably sexual in its nature.

That these experiences are divorced from the commonplace expression of sexuality is equally undeniable. But that doesn't mean that the language that describes them is not sexual - nor does it mean that other, less ascetic, forms of that expression aren't available. Those other, less ascetic, forms are the forms that I have sought out and experienced.

I agree with KFC, wholeheartedly, when she attests to the reality of the 'demonic'. Demons do indeed exist and they walk among us. I however celebrate what terrifies her, because the 'demonic' is nothing but the 'angelic' perceived from a different angle. We each imagine hell, and heaven, in our own image. And in the end, each of us will get exactly what we most truly want. If we imagine, and desire, judgment to be the only possible outcome to human existence, judgment is what we will get - and woe betide us if we are not perfect in whatever way we imagine perfection to be constituted.


If we imagine, as I do, some other outcome entirely, then some other outcome is what we will get. And again, woe betide us if we are not perfect in all the ways that we imagine perfection to be necessary. God will not judge us, because we aren't important enough to be judged. But we will, and I don't hesitate to believe that the judgment we visit on ourselves will be infinitely more harsh than anything some objectively existent deity might condescend to pour upon our heads.

We know nothing. We judge everything. And with the measure that we pour out to others so shall it be poured out to us.

I'll see you in hell, bitch.

To: zoologist

myself, I'd much have preferred Lilith to Eve.

Herro....look at me....I'm a steak eating, financial advice giving, drug abusing, mean spirited, crippled shell of an english penguin who does nothing but complain about the country he lives in while sucking unemployment and welfare funds from it. Also, a self proclaimed know it all, who can't hold a job to save his life or support a family. Why does anyone listen to you? You uneducated penguin.

You people have now blocked both of my kids, for no good reason. If it's for being mean and using multiple user names on a single IP, well then you have to ban Simon and Sabrina. Or do I have to get in your little circle of cool guys first, then I can be mean and obnoxious and know everything?

Who's this jackass?

~Zoo

Am I going to get a reason for banishment???? You can't just do that to people.

They gave you the exile button now huh? Can you exile me for creating such art?

What I need to do is start writing some articles. Someone needs to counter the garbage that you spew. Just look at the repulsing trash that comes from you and mumbles, and you ask for my banishment?

Zoologist- Can you please correct me on the proper term for "lover of penguins"; penguinifile is correct for me now.

Sabrina you are a penguinifile

Unfortunately I don't think anyone can correct you from the look of your idiotic diatribe...you seem to be too far gone for any rationality.

~Zoo

Now in all seriousness. Let’s get back to the topic at hand.

Father Stevens- Thank you for putting up a good pictorial representation of a true demon. That is truly hideous.

Gives me goose bumps. brrrrr

I suppose this shall be my last post, I'll probably be exiled again for the sins of the family. I bid you all farewell.

Zoo- Did I touch a nerve, do you also like penguins? It's either you like penguins or you're not a true zoologist.....hmmmm.

plus you're only like 19, so let's play the deduction game.

Oh boy, I have a stalker.

I'm not quite sure what's up with your furry penguin fantasies, but you can go ahead and leave me out of that fetish.

Touch a nerve? *psh* I'm not letting you touch anything that belongs to me.

~Zoo

Now, of course, I realize how foolish it was to carry a dead animal's foot around with me for luck.

Irony for the win.

Since you readily admit you know nothing about the topic you've introduced here, why do you presume to teach others about it, passing along all sorts of erroneous, ill informed, and hollywood influenced nonsense?

Again, wrong again LW. I said and I quote:

"In the first place....I have not once mentioned magick or claim to know anything more than you have mentioned on the subject. I'm not sure without further research if they are one in the same or not. I'm talking about Black or White MAGIC not MAGICK."

It's not that I don't know about the subject matter I'm not real versed on magic vs magick without further research. What I mentioned on magic and the other terms is correct. I'm not talking magic tricks either.

Oh, nice work on the multiple 'stevens' family posts, KFC. Friends of yours, perhaps? I notice you don't chide them for being nasty

nope. I didn't chide your husband either for his rather disturbing posting to me either. So why not mention that as well? I don't like nasty period whether it comes from Stevens or EOIC or you for that matter. I let just so much stand before it gets deleted. Ask your husband. He's pretty good at stepping over the line with me and I have on occasion deleted him. He was close on that last one but not close enough for me to exercise my power to push the delete button.

Not once have I slung mud at him nor gone after him in any way, nor do I intend to. Heck, I think Stevens is doing that enough anyhow. His beef isn't with me. It's with Stevens. And no I don't feel it's acceptable to mock anyone. But it's sort of ironic that you think that it's NOT OK for your husband to be mocked , but you both continually mock me every chance you get.

*scratching my head on that one.*

that's only because you have no idea if I have a physical limitation or not. If I did admit I had one, I believe you'd be all over it.

At least you admit to the mocking. Give you credit for that.

I agree...that's not cool which is why I got involved.

~Zoo

Wow. I don't know about anyone's physical disabilities, but that was something only a true scumbag would say. I know people have been unkind, really unkind, but two wrongs don't make a right. Wow.

Oh. Okay, thank you for telling me.

Believe what you like, KFC, but not everyone is as ugly inside as the miscreants you've managed to raise and set loose on the world.

You need to stop spreading rumors LW.

My boys are very well respected in their respective communities and are very productive and responsibile young men. I'm sorry that you seem to find that repulsive.

Let's see, KFC, you'll chide a relative stranger, (SanCho) over his use of the words 'ass' and 'retard'...wagging the finger of shame and cluck-clucking about how he doesn't present himself as a very good 'Christian' for doing so, yet not only do you let anything 'stevens' posts stand, you actually defend it.

Again, Stevens and EOIC both said some harsh things. EOIC against me and Stevens against your husband. If I were to chide one, shouldn't it be your husband.....which I did not do and let his comments stand? So I was equal opportunity here.

You need to worry about your own hubby not Stevens. As far as SC was concerned (again you like to pit people against each other...you're very good at this) it wasn't the words LW, it was his tone. He went on record as saying he is a Christian and so I called him on it. End of story. Stevens has NOT come out and said he was a Christian, so I can't go after him the same way.

As Christians we are to remind each other of proper conduct because we are representing our Father in Heaven.

Could you tell me where that is? Because, he IS a Christian. As am I. But let's not start that. I just want to know what prompted you to "call him on it." So to speak. Thanks.

Could you tell me where that is? Because, he IS a Christian. As am I. But let's not start that. I just want to know what prompted you to "call him on it." So to speak. Thanks.

Cedarbird there are lots on this subject. Some are just examples and there is much scripture sprinkled throughout. The examples that come to mind quickly are two. One when Appollos was preaching the wrong thing and Priscilla and Aquilla took him aside and straightened him out. I'm thinking Chap 18 of Acts. Another is Peter being chewed out by Paul for not behaving right. I'm thinking that's in Acts as well and Paul's charge to Timothy in 1 Tim 1:4.

The scripture I'd look at is anything to do with encouraging and edifying each other. So if you have a good concordance you can look much of this up yourself. The church (ecclesia) was founded by Christ for two reasons. One, of course to worship God. The other to encourage and edify his body of believers. So the scripture I'd use would be anything like 1 Thess 5:11 or Eph 4:11-16 or this one in Eph 4:29 which says:

"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth but that which is good to the use of edifying, that is may minister grace to the hearers."

also you can look at Romans 12 and 1 Cor 12 which speak of the gifts given to the body. The gifts should be used to equip others in the faith for building each other up in the body. The head of the church is Christ and all his members are the body. For the body to work effectively the parts have to work together helping each other.

One of the most important things for the body to do is give glory to Christ. So if we see another member not doing so, we should speak up to one another. The way Priscilla and Aquilla handled it was good. It really should be done privately not publicly when at all possible.

No, you misunderstood. I'm wondering what SC did to prove to you that he wasn't Christian. Because as far as the Bible goes, Christians are people who believe in Jesus Christ and his teachings. Which San Chonino does. So what did he do, specifically, to merit your so-called, "call?"

I called Dr. Guy an "ass" (with other adjectives added upon . . . you know how it can be my specialty) when he kept trying to defend Gid without having seen the pictures Whip posted, and because he kept coming up with excuses as to why LW was lying about Gid.

Pissed me off, that's all, and I lost my temper with Guy (he does tend to bring it out of me. ;))

Sorry Cedarbird I thought you were asking for a text to back up my charge to SC.

Yes, he answered it.

But it wasn't just that one time SC. I had seen other times as well but never said anything. I just thought you went a bit over the edge with the Doc that time. And if it's your specialty than you need to examine what you really do believe as we all do. Scripture tells us to examine ourselves to see if we are indeed in the faith. Our actions should match our words. Our faith in God is not a "said" faith but an active one.

Cedarbird: I knew he would understand where I was coming from. I'm not judging your brother. I'm just exhorting him to give himself a checkup.