Student Complains After She is Kept Out of Men's Locker Room

The rest of the students should bring charges of Sexual Harrassment against Elizabeth.  Isn't that exactly what would be the charge if a man went into the women's locker room (or woman was found in a man's locker room)?

 

Why should her choices in life make her any different than anyone else?

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Why should her choices in life make her any different than anyone else?

That is the nut of the debate with both the transgender and gay community.  It is no longer an issue of "equal", but more than equal.  They learned well from the feet of the likes of Sharpton and Jackson.

if you have the equiptment, use the boy's room

if you dont', you don't get to.

I don't care what your name is, what you wear or how you act. This is a biological difference, not a social one.

i say let her use it. if she gets raped too bad. it was after all her choice right.

just like anyone who gets drink or gets high and then drives and kills someone. this should be murder 1

I'm surprised that you all have such low opinions of humanity, that she'd automatically get raped by the guys in the locker room.

this is the reason that the school is saying no.

kind of doubtful that any guy would touch her.

Okay, here's a thought. I'm not saying I've decided what side of the issue I'm on, I'm just thinking.

What were to happen if there were, let's say, hypothetically, a college with dorms divided on religious lines. There's a Christian dorm, a Muslim dorm, a Jewish dorm, and an "everyone else" dorm.

Let's say there's a young person (gender is, in this instance, irrelevant) who was born Jewish. Nice Jewish last name like Steinberg or something.

Let's say this person, while being born Jewish, now identifies themselves as Christian, and wants to live in the Christian dorms - but due to their parentage as a Steinberg or something is denied, and is told to live in the Jewish building, because that's just the way it's supposed to be.

I bet all of you would be the on the front lines defending this person's right to live in the Christian dorms, rather than the Jewish based on their biological makeup.

Just a thought . . . what's the difference?

the difference is that the school is concerned that she might get raped. if she does get raped she will sue the school because of it.


a jew who is now a christian isn't going to be beaten by the christians in the dorm. but he might be beaten for living with the jews.

Funny, I didn't realize there were such substantial biological differences between Jews and Christians. Thanks for enlightening me, SC.

I'm being facetious. There's plenty of people who actually believe there is a biological difference, though . . .

Yes, and we have names for those people.

I realize and concede your argument, to a point. While I shake my head at the whole "Gender identity disorder" thing, I have to realize that the world is made up of kooks who actually think there is such a thing, and that someone enabled in their mental illness would be as uncomfortable in a ladies' restroom or dorm as would I. But opening the doors to the men's room isn't a solution, otherwise, men could equally press for the rights, and you could very realistically have a situation where a sexual predator has access to normally private restroom facilities of the other gender.

Not a good thing. Not at ALL.

If the college wants to offer a certain number of unisex bathrooms on the campus, that is their call. But men's locker rooms and dorms should be offlimits to women and vice versa.

Speaking from a female perspective....I just have to ask.......why in the world would she want to use a man's bathroom? Living with all guys I do know that my bathroom is ALOT cleaner than the boys bathroom. So I don't get it.

To me it's like the choice between using a gas station bathroom or beauty parlor bathroom. No question in my mind which I'd use. Besides....every stall has doors so why would it make such a big diff for this student to use the ladies bathroom anyhow?

It seems tho everybody is just looking for something to complain about nowadays. Doesn't it? Are we all turning into a big batch of complainers?

Yup....if everything's got to be "fair", someone's always getting the short end somewhere!

I think it depends on the other students. If they accept her as a man for the purposes of the locker room, she should be allowed to use the men's locker room. If they don't want her in there, perhaps another option should be investigated - she could use a third change room instead (eg if there's a disabled one).

As for rape, it's possible, but guys also get raped in men's locker rooms. We can't let fear govern our actions.

I think it depends on the other students. If they accept her as a man for the purposes of the locker room, she should be allowed to use the men's locker room. If they don't want her in there, perhaps another option should be investigated - she could use a third change room instead (eg if there's a disabled one).

Ok, but where's it going to stop? If you allow this, it will only take a very short time until you start to see men in the woman's bathroom. Then what? What about the women who don't want men in their bathrooms? What if some are ok but others are not? What if I'm one of those uncomfortable ones who desires NOT to see a man in the ladies room but the majority are ok with it? Do I now have no choice but to "hold" it?

I think I agree with Life Happens. If you have the equipment use the men's room. If not...you're in the ladies room. Plain and simple. It's the best objective way there is. Let's keep it simple. Let's not go down the slippery slide. We only end up in trouble when we start down that route.

The only other choice is the transgender bathroom where you can let them all go in regardless of equipment and let them figure it out. But let's leave the ladies room the ladies room and the men's room the men's room for the rest of us.

Can someone say segregation?

Sounds like the slippery slope we are heading towards.

ugh...really danielost. Do you mean that?

no but that is the way it should be presented to her. after she signs a release form

Daniel, You Scare Me... and not in a good way.

Cacto:

Then why bother seperating the sexes in public changing rooms and bathrooms at all? Let's just set up one big room for everyone. If anyone is uncomfortable with that, that's their own problem, right?

The fact is, Elizabeth is saying that anyone uncomfortable with her being there is violating her rights. Apparently only her own feelings should matter.

this girl is setting this school up for a law suit. 1 if she doesn't get her way. 2 if she does get her way and some stupid guy decides to remind her she is a female.

Locker, changing and bathrooms are segregated based on gender.  Biological gender.  Not "What gender do you THINK you are?"

I am sympathetic to those who have issues based on gender identity, but like many other quirks that don't actually impact your ability to lead your life, it's something you just learn to deal with.  How would these sue-happy folks feel if a guy demanded separate facilities because he was extremely homophobic and couldn't stand to be in close proximity to naked/nearly naked men?  What about someone with crippling social anxieties?

There are many people out there with all degrees of issues that, if the school gives into this complaint, could be used to demand further special treatment.

Oh how about this one... a white student demands a white-only change room because he's not comfortable in mixed race company... cites biological differences.  How would that one play out?

That's not what scares me about you... This is what scares me about you...

i know what scared you.


what scares me is someone who is going to sue this school for millions of dollar. and there is nothing the school can do to stop it.