An ex convict of murder, who is bringing criminals to justice not for an upholding of the law and justice but for money. Yeah he's not a thug. He is no more a thug than Vick was. Where is Vick's prior criminal conviction? Didn't have one.

Daniel you are the master of one or two lines here or there without substance. Now you are stretching what amounts to a single paragraph by triple spacing your text. Really does that pass for college level?

"Chapman, a former gang member with 18 prior convictions for armed robbery,[2] was sentenced to five years in a Texas prison in 1977 after being convicted of the first degree murder of Jeremy Oliver. According to Chapman, he did not kill anyone but was legally an accessory for not reporting the shooting to the police.[3] He was released on probation after 18 months."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Chapman

If 18 prior convictions for armed robbery doesn't make you a fucking thug Daniel maybe you should ask Michael Vick what makes him a thug?

"Despite the popularity of Chapman prior to the revelation of his using racial slurs in a phone conversation, other bail agents had publicly stated their disapproval of Chapman's methods or style. Penny Harding, the executive director of the California Bail Agents Association, said "He represents all of the things that bail agents are trying to get away from - the cowboy image, the renegade, bring 'em home dead or alive."

Some might even call him a thug.

If you look and see that Dog really is a pseudo celebrity the IMDB has a whole rap sheet on him of cameos and appearances. He and his wife obviously crave the spotlight.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1738062/

But you are right, Dog isn't a celebrity, he's not a thug, and he certainly isn't a racist. Or is he?

You can debate about rights and freedoms all you want, about the freedom to say what you want. He said it, and he was/is free to do so. However, If Dog was really as committed to eliminating racism as he now wants to be, promising never to use the word again and apologizing to the fans, yada yada yada, (wow Seinfeld quote, Kramer was on Seinfeld, Michael Richards is Kramer, whoa freaky) anyway, he wouldn't have been using the racial slur on the phone with his son, not only could his conversation be recorded or intercepted, but it could have also been overheard by someone nearby. Whatever.

If you don't want to answer for being a racist, don't make comments racists make. Simple as that.

Oh yea by the way, definition of thug...

"Thug may refer to:
Thug, slang for a gangster or a petty thief"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thug

Dog has 18 armed robbery convictions, was an accessory to murder, and a gang member. Vick, not a gang member, not a robber, and a petty thief. Sure Vick is a cruel individual who made bad choices but does he fit the definition of thug any better than Chapman?

I would argue they both fit that definition but Chapman fits the example better in my opinion.

Maybe you like this one better

"The English word thug, meaning a violent criminal, comes from the Hindi word thag (and originally from the Sanskrit word sthaga), meaning a thief or villain."Back in the 1500's or so ,not really sure about the date, there was a god, in which ladies would come to. They would scarfice items to it, and also cut themselfs and the men would come and still there sacrifics and beat the women and they call themselfs thugs"The original Thugs were bands of roving criminals in India who strangled and robbed travellers. Originally these gangs committed murder following precise religious rites to honour Kali, the Hindu goddess of destruction."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thug

Or this one...

"1. a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) one of a former group of professional robbers and murderers in India who strangled their victims."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/thug

The whole point is DOG CHAPMAN is as much, and fits the definition as well or better of a thug, in comparison to Vick, yet Whip didn't seem to feel the need to jump all over this guys ass given his history and fame/success, and label him by his color and a bunch of other negative connotations. The absence was conspicuous and noted. Uproar all you want over it folks.

he didn't sound like a racist in that sound bite. he sounded like someone who didn't want a private conversation to cost him his TV gig.



who said i went to college.


you mean those people who have run away from the law.

1 i didn't know that he was an ex convict as i said i have not watched the show nor will i. but who better than an ex convict to hunt down people than someone who actually knows how they think.


HE IS STILL AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND HE STILL HAS RIGHTS. which it seems that to many people want to take away from him. because he chewed his son out over his girl friend. but i recall him telling his son that he would help him get a new job.


Vic had rights too but because he was a celebrity it seemed like no body on this sight wanted to give him his rights. what Vic did was appalling but he still had his rights.

Please show me the "right" to be on a cable TV show. Daniel, I have not advocated for removing ANY of Dog's "rights". What you need to understand is that being on TV is not a "right", otherwise a WHOLE LOT of us have had our rights violated for nothing.

Now I'm writing to A&E. I want my reality show, durnit!

Similarly, Vick had no "right" to play in the NFL.

and you have no right to write on this blog except that the owner brad allows it. but Vic has a right to work his job was the NFL. dog or however also has a right to a job this time it is doing a show on bounty hunter. and the only ones who have the right to take those jobs away are their bosses.


you people have condemned them both with out going to court and in the case of dog. there is no reason for a court case. unless he sues his son for invasion of privacy

No, he does NOT have a right to work in the NFL, danielost.

I realize you're going to weep many long nights because Vick isn't suiting up in the pros, danielost, but if he has a "right" to the job in the NFL, why haven't all of the also rans who get cut in training camo sued because their rights are violated?

Because he HAS no such right, that's why!



Did you miss the news where Vick pled guilty, you maggot infested piece of offal? Vick HAS had his day in court. He chose to PLEAD, which means he IS, legally speaking, guilty!

As for Dog, I have convicted him of nothing. I ALWAYS support the right of an employer to choose their employees, danielost. ALWAYS. And A&E was Dog's employer.



Are you claiming to have some power to expel me from this site, danielost? Because I think, coupled with your threat to cut me up, that admin just might be interested in some of your comments.

Now, having said that, yes, Brad has the right to cut me loose from this site right now if he so chooses. This is HIS site.

I find it terrible that a private conversation is being used to destroy someone's image. I think Dog's son will someday look back on this with regret.

I don't think anyone would defend what Dog said. I do think he sounds racist. And he has the complete freedom to say whatever he wants whenever he wants. But free speech doesn't mean that it's free of any kind of consequences. I can say that my boss is a dumb ass who couldn't tell the difference between a bean and a doughnut hole, but I don't have the right to expect my job to be secure when I say something that inflammatory.

Dog's boss is the media and the public. They shun racism or any apperance therein.

but Vic has a right to work. his job was the NFL. sorry you mis read this.





no dog's boss was a and e.

yes i missed this.

i didn't mention any names so you must be feeling guilty about something. i can use the same logic as you can.

no i am not claiming that. and if i did i wouldn't.

If you're going to speak out on current events, maybe you should actually READ the news. Especially when it's two months old!

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No, you simply said "most".

Actually, had you READ, you would see most of us have been DEFENDING Dog's right to say what he said. We're simply not getting outraged at his firing, because that was A&E's right.

Dog DOES have a right to work, danielost. I'm sure his local WalMart would happily employ him as a stockboy.

i do believe that he will continue to be a bounty hunter don't you.


and i do agree what he said was wrong but he still had the right to say it.

your right little whip no body has a right to a JOB. but everyone has the right to work. unless you want more people living off of the government.

you wanna feel sorry for someone, chris elliot--or 'skink the bounty hunter,' is an appropriately innocent victim who will now be unable to work that character thanks to dog's stupidity.

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"you people have condemned them both with out going to court and in the case of dog. there is no reason for a court case. unless he sues his son for invasion of privacy"

If you are talking about Vick. He pleaded guilty to the charges I believe, and offered a public apology. Dog hasn't been charged with any crime but he clearly made the statements, as they are on tape, whatever the context, being in the public domain they probably violate the terms of the deal with A & E, which is why he was suspended pending investigation. He has also offered a public apology and now he's doing the talk show circuit. The sure fire celebrity healing process I'm sure. Can't be on my show cause I got it kicked off the air so sure I'll go on your shows, give me a fucking break

"I find it terrible that a private conversation is being used to destroy someone's image. I think Dog's son will someday look back on this with regret."

Anger, regret and shame, LOL. Boo hoo huh. I find it is right where Dog was gonna be one way or the other, in the middle of the spotlight, 24/7. Circumstances don't matter to him as long as the cameras are on this guy. It is unfortunate for the rest of us who have to put up with the media airing this dirty laundry all over the place.

"Actually, had you READ, you would see most of us have been DEFENDING Dog's right to say what he said. We're simply not getting outraged at his firing, because that was A&E's right."

If you recall it took the Richards story about a week to develop last year and it was a you tube event. The Imus thing, very similar but it took about 2 weeks for them to pull him off the air, A&E moved much quicker and to their credit suspended the show rather than outright canceling it. They will end up canceling it unless Dog can pull of a Bill Clintonesque type salvage of the situation.

"He lost his job because he's a freakin' criminal, and yeah, he's free to look for work elsewhere, but the NFL does not owe him a living."

I believe Vick, has been suspended not expelled from the NFL. Meaning when he gets out and has served his time, a team could still pick him up to play.

"but everyone has the right to work. unless you want more people living off of the government."

Where are you from Danielost? How old are you? Just curious.

IF the commissioner decides, Dan. His suspension is indefinite, meaning the commish pretty much gets to say whether Vick comes back or not. And given the general treatment of sports towards anyone involved in gambling, his chances appear very slim.

And if the state DOES tack on chargers, Vick could actually be looking at several years' imprisonment, meaning he will be removed from his prime if he ever returns. Yes, the legs will still be there, but age has a way of doing funny things.

Dog is one of those kind of impulsive people who might actually kill himself in this situation. Maybe I'm wrong, but he does go to far in a lot of different areas, not to joke about it.

"IF the commissioner decides, Dan. His suspension is indefinite, meaning the commish pretty much gets to say whether Vick comes back or not. And given the general treatment of sports towards anyone involved in gambling, his chances appear very slim."

Yup, there's always the chance there will be a new commissioner. A lot can happen in a year or two or three. People forget, people move on. I bet Michael Richards is getting gigs even after his missteps.

"And if the state DOES tack on chargers, Vick could actually be looking at several years' imprisonment, meaning he will be removed from his prime if he ever returns. Yes, the legs will still be there, but age has a way of doing funny things."

Lol. Your talking to a Brett Favre fan here, he's 38, breaking all kinds of NFL records still, and playing at a pro-ball game level. The media has been asking him when he plans to retire since 1998. Frankly, I was sick of it then, and with each passing year/month/day, he is asked again and again, and without end. Castro will probably retire before Favre so I wish they would stop asking.

Point being, I'd rather not count out a player or person because he has made mistakes. Clearly, the lifestyle isn't what he was prepared to deal with, the celebrity gets all kinds of people into trouble. I would rather see, Vick, serve his time, do his community service, reshape and refocus his outlook on life, move on, and have the sport allow him to do that as well by moving on with him. If he is rehabilitated. If he reverts into another criminal situation, then my opinion radically changes. It is based on his actions and alone his actions.

Same with Dog. Fix what's broken, but pay the price, in this case, Dog is getting additional spotlight time which he/his clan/the wife crave, and he doesn't stand to lose anything yet for his actions, except his TV gig. Which maybe should be the limit of it.

Yeah, it worked for the Chicago 8!



You know, my wife's from Wisconsin. I spent twelve years there. I missed Favre's lengthy prison sentence in the prime of his career. Did he play the games with an ankle bracelet?

Favre never stopped playing, Dan, and that's the point. Vick is out of the game. Favre also never depended on his legs to carry him. Vick has, at best, an average arm, and as his legs deteriorate he becomes less useful. Show me an NFL running back still putting up Pro Bowl numbers in their mid-30's. They are very rare, Dan, and face it, all Vick was was a running back with a good arm.

"You know, my wife's from Wisconsin. I spent twelve years there. I missed Favre's lengthy prison sentence in the prime of his career. Did he play the games with an ankle bracelet?"

Lol very funny, I was just making the point that people have been saying for years he's washed up or, his best years are behind him, or when are ya gonna retire. Favre made some mistakes as a man too, with an addiction to pain killers that nearly killed him.

"Vick is out of the game."

"Favre also never depended on his legs to carry him."
All throughout highschool his father never let him throw the ball because he made bad throwing decisions.

"Vick has, at best, an average arm, and as his legs deteriorate he becomes less useful. Show me an NFL running back still putting up Pro Bowl numbers in their mid-30's. They are very rare, Dan, and face it, all Vick was was a running back with a good arm."

All good and accurate points, Vick is only an average QB which won't save him, he'll need another angle if he can become successful in the NFL again.

Right. However, while Favre is very mobile, his legs are not his primary strength. As you well remember, in Favre's early years, it was short screen passes under Holmgren's system that put them in the end zone, and until Edgar Bennet busted the 1,000 yard barrier, that was their substitute for a running game. While Favre (at least in his prime) was capable of tucking and running on any given play, it's the fact that he didn't that has kept him in the game so long.



Yes, but those mistakes did not put him in prison for a long period of time.

In the world of sports, association with gambling has traditionally been its "unforgivable sin". Although that seems about to change, at least in the NBA, usually such changes take place over time, and every year gone by will take away from Vick's viability.

I, personally, am hoping Vick never wears an NFL uniform again. Sports tolerates thugs far too often, and maybe, just maybe, if they would stop doing that so often, things could change.

Given that the NFL commissionership doesn't change hands that often, I wouldn't put money on Goodell going anywhere in time for Vick's reinstatement. And given the increasing political clout of organizations like PETA, I have serious reservations about Vick seeing the inside of an NFL stadium again without going through TicketMaster to get there.

So what do you think about Dog and getting back on TV? Any chance?

Imus is doing it on Radio. Anything is possible.

Absolutely. It may not be A&E, but there are far too many scandal merchants drooling at the notoriety Dog could bring to their podunk cable TV station.

I was actually thinking on A&E, on the same program, being reinstated by them. I could see how another network could pick them up, or at least say they are until the masses bitch about it.

I'm surprised IMUS has made the recovery he has, which has largely gone unnoticed/unrefuted by the masses as well.

I don't think he'll have to kill himself Whip. LOL.