I'm Amazed How Easily We Accept a Police State!

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On another forum I frequent, the question was asked about fingerprinting children as a form of ID to speed up the lunch line.

I’m going to leave you with your thoughts on that, while I take a few steps back.

When I was in high school, we read the standard dystopian novels. Orwell’s “1984” and Huxleys “Brave New World” were required reading, especially among the G/T set, which is where I spent much of my academic career. It was years ago when Ritalin and Prozac became almost mandatory for anyone deviating from the norm, that the soma of Huxley’s world came to mind. Take away their emotions and you stand a good chance of controlling the masses.

But now, we live in a world where if you DON’T agree to fingerprinting, warrantless searches (in the form of home visits from social workers and schoolteachers), RFID, and mandatory doctor visits, you are automatically suspect. You are accused of having something to hide by a public that is somehow unable to comprehend the concept of having something to PROTECT.

Our government was established under the precept that we NOT live under strict government control. Now we live in a nation where many are quick to insist that we DO. Somehow, if the government controls things, we think that everything will be allright.

I have never understood the irrational logic of those who trust a government that is unable to maintain its roads and bridges to manage their personal life. When the government fails to maintain a bridge in , the bridge collapses. The casualties are tragic, to be sure, but not as tragic as when the government fails a whole generation of people entrusted to its care.

I have long contended that we are about to suffer a consequences of a nation that has “lived under the levee” for too long. The consequences may come later rather than sooner, but is that a legacy we want to give future generations.

We’ve lived too long under the government we deserve. It’s time to insist on the government our GRANDCHILDREN deserve.

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
From my perspective all states are police states, but I know where you're coming from.

It's been worse since 9/11, with the refrain of "Well, I don't like it, but it's necessary for our security" being so common I briefly wondered if some government agency hadn't really mastered subliminal communication. (Then I stopped reading Tracy Givens and the thought evaporated like steam off a cracked tea pot. )

Immediately after 9/11, AOL ran a front page poll in which they asked, "Which of the following freedoms are you willing to give up for security?" followed by a list of rights people could choose to willingly throw away. Not if you were willing to give some away, that was a given, but which. I shook my head in disbelief. I made a screenshot of that poll and labeled it "This is bad."

Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
From a bumper sticker, 29 September 2007, First Avenue, Salt Lake City.

"Oh well, I wasn't using my civil liberties anyway."
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
On another forum I frequent, the question was asked about fingerprinting children as a form of ID to speed up the lunch line.

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Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Our government was established under the precept that we NOT live under strict government control. Now we live in a nation where many are quick to insist that we DO. Somehow, if the government controls things, we think that everything will be allright.



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Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

I see you have your campaign slogan down pat.  And it is a good one!

While you are amazed, I am not.  it is a by product of the nanny state.  How can they possibly protect us from ourselves unless they know exactly what, when, why, how and where we are or are doing?

They appeal to the heart strings of the brain dead populace. "it is for the children!  Who can be against them?".  But what they really mean is "We need more control.  You are not mature enough to make adult decisions".  If they said the latter, they would not get many votes (some of course since you will always have mind numbed robots).  The former wins elections and gets laws passed.

And our rights get passed with them.

Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Put this chip in your children's hands, so if they get lost we can find them. It's for the children!
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
And people don't believe me when I say that the holy trinity of our culture is Comfort, Convenience and Sex.

Now we're seeing people willingly having their kids fingerprinted just to move the lunch line a little faster?
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Put this chip in your children's hands, so if they get lost we can find them. It's for the children!


mark of the beast


and it is starting just as i said it would.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
mark of the beast


Oh brother you are one of 'those!'

were you screaming this same thing when bar codes came out? How about credit cards? etc.


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As for Gideon,

I am in agreement with you. My argument isn't because of 'marking of the beast' but as a lack of accountability and self thinking. We seem to ba-a-a more like sheep the more the years pass by then think about consequences. Ted is right about the Trinity becoming of our culture. The future is irrelevant if it 'feels' good now.

Sadly, I feel the voices opposing this are becoming fewer and fewer. If we don't learn from the past empires and other aspects of history how will we defy repeating it again? What took Rome many more years to fall we may accomplish in less than 300 if we don't awaken! The similarities are quite disgustingly remarkable.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Oh brother you are one of 'those!'

were you screaming this same thing when bar codes came out? How about credit cards? etc.


no
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm Amazed How Easily We Accept a Police State!



60 years of working on it isn't that easy
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Do they fear a terrorist run on 'mystery meat and unknown soft vegetable with special sauce?'


Two words: Dirty Bomb!

I KNEW there was something to those school lunches. I just KNEW it!
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
I love mystery meat. The mystery animal is easy to find, hard to digest.

The fingerprints aren't to find the child, it's to identify the child as yours. Fingerprints are a quick way to verify identity. If you don't have your kid fingerprinted, and you lose your kid, you may find the kid but be unable to prove the kid is yours.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
60 years of working on it isn't that easy


It is when people are BEGGING the government to take their freedoms away!

"Freedom is slavery!"
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Oh brother you are one of 'those!'

were you screaming this same thing when bar codes came out? How about credit cards? etc.


no


Oh please dispel your great wisdom as to how RFID differs from the previous ones?
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
For the lunch line, Gid? Gahhh! Give 'em a debit card or something, sure, but I can think of no sane reason why they'd need any further identification than that to justify delivering a plate of disgusting cafeteria slop in the first place. Do they fear a terrorist run on 'mystery meat and unknown soft vegetable with special sauce?'


Most schools I know already use ID cards? I haven't been out of school 'that' long but the bottleneck in the lunch line wasn't the lunch line attendant.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
were you screaming this same thing when bar codes came out? How about credit cards? etc.


bar codes aren't being used on people except for a test group.


it is called the mark of the beast, because they started using them on dogs and cats.


credit cards just put you into debt slavery unless your very careful.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
bar codes aren't being used on people except for a test group.


it is called the mark of the beast, because they started using them on dogs and cats.


That's it??

They did start using bar codes on animals through skin tatoos. Now they looking at using DNA to 'bar code' them. Currently my understanding is they are still using infrared tattooing.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Jennifer Government has a barcode tattoo.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
I haven't been out of school 'that' long but the bottleneck in the lunch line wasn't the lunch line attendant.


LW, What do you think of Lunch line pushing? We can call it Darwinian lunches?
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Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top

Oh Yesh! And I'm all for letting the first two thirds of the line, the ones who are strongest, being the only ones allowed to eat.

Let the rest of 'em starve, I say. Or eat dingos.


Maybe we can line them up and let them go? The fast skinny kids will get there first and get their fill. The slower chubby kids get to eat what's left!
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
it is called the mark of the beast, because they started using them on dogs and cats.


Oh CRAP! ID tags are the mark of the beast!!! They are even using them in the military.

Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Maybe we can line them up and let them go? The fast skinny kids will get there first and get their fill. The slower chubby kids get to eat what's left!


Or, they beat the snot outta the skinny kids.

Hey. Lunch and a phys ed program to boot! I'm game!
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
Or, they beat the snot outta the skinny kids.

Hey. Lunch and a phys ed program to boot! I'm game!


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Dead kids get eaten!