Death in America.

Why do we pickle people?

I made a will. 

In it I specificed what I want done with me after I die.

I'm going to be cremated.

I had wanted to go back to the earth from which I came. I wanted to be buried in a cardboard box, unembalmed, and be left to decay, become worm/plant food and thereby rejoin the food chain.

That's not going to be possible.  Most states have laws against such things.  If you're not buried within 24 hours of death, you have to be embalmed.  If you're going to be put on show in a visitation ceremony, you have to be embalmed.

Some cemeteries also require that your casket be placed in a concrete grave liner.  You can't be placed directly into the earth, you have to be in a concrete capsule.  So, not only are you being pickled with all kinds of toxic fluids, placed in a metal, non-bio degradable casket, you're also getting put in yet another box in the ground.  According to a mortician I know, you could literally dig up a person who had been buried in this manner 20 years after their death and expect to find them in much the same condition as when you put them there.

Why?  Why aren't we letting nature do it's thing?

Primitive man never buried his dead.  People were left to decay where they dropped, literally.  Some bright spark figured out that if you put the body into the ground after the person had died the smell wasn't quite so bad, and it also took care of the unsightly rotting corpses littering up the landscape.  So began the tradition of burying our dead. We learned along the way that dead bodies are full of nastiness and can spread disease, so we decided that we had to bury them at a certain depth and leave them alone until nature had done it's thing and they were nothing more than bones (a process that takes about 10 years).

Not every country treats it's dead the way the US does.  British burials are really quite primitive in comparison.  People aren't routinely embalmed, coffins are for the most part made out of wood, and I'd never heard of a concrete grave liner until I came to the US.  British visitations consist of a private chapel and only the closest familiy members....I was shocked when I attended my first American visitation service, it was so...public and showy.  The deceased was puttied and powdered and placed on show so that people they barely knew in life could file by them in their cadillac of a casket and say "oooh! Doesn't she look good!" Errm......she's dead!  She's supposed to look like death warmed over!

So, I'm left wondering why Americans treat their dead the way they do.  I understand the need to control and prevent the spread of disease, so in that respect I can see why sometimes embalming is required...but why the grave liner and metal casket?  Why not let the earth do it's thing and dispose of human remains mother-nature style?

I'm going to be cremated. I took up enough space on this earth when I was alive; I don't want to take up any more when I'm dead.

Seeing as we're on the subject, has anyone considered organ donation?  Gerry-Atrick wrote an article with some good links in it...you can read it here:

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I agree, I personally don't even want a damn ceremony.
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Neither do I.  Put me in a cardboard box, and incinerate me.  I want my husband to take my ashes and scatter them somewhere - in private.  Just don't put me on show!
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When I die, if I have to be viewed, I'd like the undertakers to dress me in a nice pink crinoline house dress, something floral and I want 6 chicken feathers sticking out of my mouth. Also I want the music in the room to be something kinda awful in an avantgarde sortof way. Maybe some Phillip Glass played way too fast. I actually like Phillip Glass but I reckon Einstien On The Beach played at 78 rpm would sound kinda funny. Either that or some inane morning TV show played at slow motion with the visuals projected onto the wall behind the casket. I don't care as long as it's 100% kitsch.
I am in Australia and we have the same laws as Britain I think. Bit silly really but a good cash generator. So I may as well get my money's worth.
Death and taxes eh?
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I prefer to be burned and my ashes should rejoin earth.

After all, if enough of those caskets is buried in concrete linings, We will run out of soil eventually.

I am sure that we will dig up all graves eventually, if we really, really need room to put houses.
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Environmentally I would prefer to be buried than cremated....there is enough shit in the atmosphere already without people breathing me as well. As an alternative, the concrete bunker sounds foul.....give me a nice damp hole in the ground.....
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Maybe Im the old ball here, but I want a sarchophegus (sp). I realize that I am dead but damn it I want people to know when they walk by my grave that that WAS Thomas Simpson... not just some head stone saying I was born I died end of story, I would also like to personally design my resting place... I know Im a little creepy hheheh

THomas
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I personally don't even want a damn ceremony.


the ceremony's not for you, it's for people you leave behind

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Primitive man never buried his dead.

there are cave sites (i remember reading about one in spain about a year ago) where theyve discovered what appears to be areas in which the dead were placed along with symbolic objects including new (unused) stone tools. the spanish site had what was described as pristine rose quartz handaxe, for example, and was believed to be the oldest known evidence of humans according special attention or care for the dead.

ive not had to attend many funeral services but i dont care for viewings and i dont want to be viewed except in ash form.
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Gerry:  Cremation is actually envrironmentally safer than burial with embalming.

Kingbee:  I don't want to be viewed either. It's not ME there anymore; it's just my shell, as it were.

Imijinit: Of course the ceremony is for those who are left behind.  I still don't want one though. 

Thomas: Nah, not creepy.  I want to have a tree planted in my name, with a plaque on it or near it inscribed with 'Invictus', my idea of words to live by.

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Personally, I would prefer my body be donated for research and transplants then cremated and my ashes put in the ocean, but then, if that don't happen,well.... wishes for when your gone is a last attempt to control things. I won't be here. The tourch will have been passed and my time will have come and gone. Ultimatly, someone else will have to make those decisions. What they do will be alright.
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I can only draw from my own experience here.  My grandpa, who I was extremely close with, was cremated and had no funeral.  I have had the hardest time accepting his death.  I didn't need to see the body but a service would have given a sense of closure.  I think some people do need to see the body to be able to accept the fact that that person is no longer alive.


Like MJ said, it is no longer about you.  You need to let your loved ones do what they need to do in order to ease their acceptance of your passing.  I think cremation with a funeral including pictures of the deceased while happily full of life is the way to go.  I don't understand the way people are made up after death.  Most of them that I have seen look nothing like themselves.  That doesn't exactly help with the acceptance when you can't even tell it was the person you lost.


I would prefer my loved ones have a party to celebrate my life rather than a service that mourns my death.  That is just me though.

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hmmmm i have no problem donating organs altho i think its only fair to point out that whatever good health ive enjoyed has been a consequence of allowing my body to become a place in which no self-respecting germ or virus would care to reside. i guess i should have mentioned my intention to donate first in light of the increased degree of difficulty required for successful post-cremation donations.
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Of course the ceremony is for those who are left behind. I still don't want one though.


that is completely unfair to your loved ones... what difference does it make to you how they reach the ever famous 'closure' once you're dead?  Shouldn't your family have a say in how they say goodbye to you?

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My dad is donating his body to medical science after he dies.  He said that instead of spending all that money on a funeral, he wants us all to go to the pub and have a party on him.  My mum's not too happy about it....but that's what he wants so we're going to respect his wishes and do just that.

Services are for those who are left behind, and Jill's right about them being closure for people. My problem with them is people I don't know very well or didn't care for very much in life showing up.  You didn't give a rat's ass about my when I was alive, so why are you here now I'm dead?  If I have a service, I'd like it to be a close family and friends type of deal....hey, perhaps invitation only, like a wedding or a party would be an idea!

The thought of people filing past me as I lay in a casket, my eyes and mouth sewn shut, cheeks stuffed with cotton wool, face caked with make up...all cold and stiff, perhaps filled with formaldehyde...it just creeps me out.  No thanks.  I like Jill's idea of a photo of me in life better. I want people's memories of me to be as I was in life, not cold and casket enclosed.

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Shouldn't your family have a say in how they say goodbye to you?

No.  I compromised and sacrificed for my family when I was alive, so I'm damn well going to be selfish about my death.  People reach 'closure' in their own way anyway, they don't necessarily need a service and a visitation to do that.

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Death is the final insult. Anyone whose bulb lights up realizes pretty early in life that our only certain destination is not one we would choose as our favorite pastime. "It's a great trick, but you can only do it once."

I have thought that we need new rituals and thinking about death and dying, in order to nurture new rituals and thinking about living and the possibilities and problems therein. What I envisioned for myself was a party, with two sturdy cardboard boxes to which folks could add biodegradable treats; each box would hold roughly half my body(the yin and the yang, more or less). Each half would be a bed for for some sort of plant life(EVERYBODY WOULD GET TO CHOOSE TWO PLANTS THAT THEY WOULD CONCRETELY HELP TO BLOSSOM AS THEY DECAYED), my two choices a Willow tree and a Moutain Laurel, most likely.

That so many different sorts of people think alike, and only discover it here, is amazing to me. Thanks for this.
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Each half would be a bed for for some sort of plant life(EVERYBODY WOULD GET TO CHOOSE TWO PLANTS THAT THEY WOULD CONCRETELY HELP TO BLOSSOM AS THEY DECAYED), my two choices a Willow tree and a Moutain Laurel, most likely.

Exactly!  As I decay, I fertilize the ground, and I literally come back as plant life.  I nice Willow is my choice as well. 

But, there are laws against such things in this country, so I'm going to go up in smoke instead.  I'd rather do that than lay intact in darkness in a concrete tomb 10 ft inder the ground.