High School Too Demanding

The tests are too hard! How dare we expect our students to learn?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/28/AR2007082800763.html?hpid=moreheadlines
In the recent debate over whether or not public school is best for one's children, this little gem came to my attention.

It seems that my state, Maryland, is considering an 'alternate' graduation requirement. Right now all Maryland high school students have to pass four exams in order to graduate from high school, in algebra, biology, government, and English. With the four scores being taken in aggregate: a great grade on one test would pull up a failing mark in another. (Which I have huge problems with in the first place, but I digress.)

With recent graduation rates and test results from the 2006 school year coming back, it was found that many Maryland high school students were failing these four exams! The results were especially dismal in Baltimore City and Prince George's County, the poorest, most urban, and "ethnically diverse" areas of the state. Rushing to the rescue of these failing students, the state assembly is considering offering a make-up project for those who don't pass the exams.


From Wednesday's Washington Post:
Maryland high school students who are unable to pass a set of exams required for graduation could instead submit projects to demonstrate their mastery of academic subjects, under a plan introduced Tuesday by State School Superintendent Nancy S. Grasmick.

Students in the Class of 2009 (this year's juniors) and those who follow must pass the exams in algebra, English, biology and government -- or earn an adequate composite score on them -- to graduate.

Grasmick offered her alternative because she is concerned that hundreds of students could be denied diplomas based on a single set of tests, rather than on their mastery of the subject.

She announced her proposal and discussed this year's results of the High School Assessments at a State Board of Education meeting in Baltimore. She said that the number of students who would be affected by the proposal, known as the "Bridge Plan for Academic Validation," would be small and that most students would be able to pass the tests without assistance.

The state did not release its data, but local jurisdictions reported that overall pass rates on the test for the Class of 2009 ranged from about two-thirds in Prince George's County to higher than 80 percent in Howard County.

Opponents of the tests say thousands of students -- particularly in Baltimore and Prince George's County -- are at risk of being denied diplomas, and some state lawmakers have been calling for the testing system to be examined and perhaps made more lenient.

Supporters of the exams, including Grasmick, have warned that weakening the requirements would devalue high school diplomas and render students unable to compete in the global marketplace.



Students have seven or eight classes -- only four of them are tested in the first place. Then if your aggregate (average) score on those four exams isn't at 60% (a D) you'll be given a project so you can demonstrate that the tests weren't an adequate judge of how much larnin' you got in your four years of high school. For example, Prince George's County had a fail rate of 33%. But if those students fail their four exams, they would get a project -- allowing them to get their high school diploma despite their failure on the woefully inadequate exams.

For the students, there is no struggle, no challenge, no fear -- because the educational system which let these students down in the first place is going to lower and lower and lower the bar so much that it's practically impossible to not get your high school diploma. The Maryland Board of Education has already gotten rid of the requirement that students pass all their classes. All they have to do is pass four exams instead of seven or eight classes per year (as reflected on report cards). And then the students don't even have to pass all four -- as long as their average score is high enough they still get out of HS. And now, for those who don't even meet that weak requirement, there's the project.

This project is supposed to reflect "their mastery of the subject" -- in my humble opinion that's best judged by a comprehensive exam. I realize that not everyone is a "test person" but you know what? A high school diploma is worth the extra toil, struggle, study, and (dare I say it?) work. If you don't get it, study harder until you do. Don't give these students a pass.

What does this proposed legislation really mean? To me, this is a scathing indictment of the teachers in Maryland. The real winners here are the woefully inadequate teachers. Teachers can skate by, half-assedly teaching their students without fear of accountability or professional reprisal for the disservice they've been doing to their students. Students receive their high school diploma despite not learning a darn thing for four years. The teachers get rid of their troublesome (read: dumb) students and feel better about themselves because their graduation rates have gone up.
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So how does this answer Angela Marie's question? One vote for 'public schools are woefully inadequate'.
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Poor high school students.

I see now that public school is perfectly fine at teaching our kids, but I also see that it does not demand much of them at all, so they can skate by if they want. And so can the teachers.
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i think that we should kill every person who doesn't pass their required tests.
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Second thought:

If they let idiots out of high school, they will go to college. College will now have to catch them up in order to learn anything college-leveled. I went to college, and they taught me stuff I had learned in 8th grade math for one of my first classes - and that was after I tested out of the lower math classes. They called it 'college algebra' but it was 'Algebra 1' for sure. Gag. Thus, I lost valuable actual learning time. I didn't learn a single new thing in the first 2 years of college, because they're so dumbed down in order to deal with THOSE kids who don't even know 60% of half the material.. and they're not even required to pass courses!!!!

"Opponents of the tests say thousands of students -- particularly in Baltimore and Prince George's County -- are at risk of being denied diplomas"

Deny them diplomas they didn't earn and don't deserve? Oh me oh my, what will we tell their self-esteem? If they want a diploma, they can go get a GED.
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If they let idiots out of high school, they will go to college.

If only that were true.

College will now have to catch them up in order to learn anything college-leveled.

They're called General Ed classes!
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Self esteem will be the downfall of the 21st century. It's all about "you're special, you're different" and it's ruining kids. Now, don't let me say that they shouldn't have self worth - of course they should - but self worth is a very different creature than self esteem. Esteem teaches that each child is special, and is thus entitled to special things. Self worth teaches that each child is an important part of a much larger whole, one that needs the good efforts of all involved to work to its greatest potential. That is how society works together - each person recognizing their place in a larger latticework of connection.

Death to esteem. Long live self worth.
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SanChonino:

Is this what you're saying? Self-esteem says "I deserve from the big picture" and self-worth says "I'm important to the big picture."
Reply #8 Top
Self-esteem says "I deserve from the big picture" and self-worth says "I'm important to the big picture."


Sorta. Esteem is "I AM the picture, people. Universe, revolve around me."
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Thanks for clarifying. But the world already revolves around me. So they're out of luck.
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Self-esteem says "I deserve from the big picture" and self-worth says "I'm important to the big picture."


who cares
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Something Mari (asaxygirl) left out of her response is something she told me about Japanese high schools that I think would help. It's heavy handed, but to hell with it. I'm tired of the vacant stares i get from "college graduates" these days when I ask them a question which requires even the simplest degree of thought.

In Japan, you have to apply to high school! o.0 And if you don't get into a good one, you're pretty much screwed. What a brilliant idea!

So many American kids spend all their high school years either resentful of the fact that they're forced to go, or spending all their time there pretending it's a big social gathering place for them and their slack-jawed mouthbreathing friends. Disrupting classes, cutting classes, failing tests that anyone with even a mild desire could pass, and otherwise behaving as if the world owes them something.

My answer? Screw em. Let them dig ditches or die like dogs in the street. Make them APPLY to go to high school, and if they don't make the grade, hand 'em a government issued shovel, point 'em at a pile of dirt, and kick 'em the hell out so that those kids that actually DO want to contribute to the world have a chance to.

As far as colleges, I've become more and more disappointed. Colleges, in general, have gone from being institutions of higher learning to nothing more than franchised businesses. OF COURSE you have to pass these skulls of mush! How the hell you gonna get next years tuition if you kick them out?

Mari will tell you herself of a recent disappointment she had - and it's a "backward disappointment" in terms of the world today. She got an "A" on her final exam. "What, Ock?" I hear you saying. "We're terribly confused - why is that a bad thing?" The reason is because she produced crap. She got behind, and we were going to be leaving on vacation, and so she cut corners she wouldn't usually cut and produced work that by her OWN standards was shit. And she still got an "A" She's understandably upset by it. If that work was worth an "A" what the hell kind of colleagues is (and get this) JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY producing for her to work with in the future? Answer: Skulls of mush whose work she'll end up having to do because they are completely and utterly incompetent. Meanwhile I'll be at home nuking hot pockets because we can't have dinner together again, tonight - she has to finish something that some other moron hasn't the skill to finish.

Make them APPLY to high school, and if they fail - tough love, baby.
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My answer? Screw em. Let them dig ditches or die like dogs in the street.

How Darwinian of you!
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How Darwinian of you!


If you mean do I want the fittest to have a leg up on the unfit, then yeah.
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Yes, producing crap and getting great grades really is a let down. "Wow, so I really don't have to work as hard as I've been working, do I?"

Heh, applying to high school... that's a great idea. I had a choice of high schools, and after my year, they no longer offered my high school to my town. So kids who wanted to get in really had to work for it...
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My answer? Screw em. Let them dig ditches or die like dogs in the street. Make them APPLY to go to high school, and if they don't make the grade, hand 'em a government issued shovel, point 'em at a pile of dirt, and kick 'em the hell out so that those kids that actually DO want to contribute to the world have a chance to.

Okay, I wouldn't be quite as extreme as Ock but I do think this thought has merit.  You apply for a college prep high school, if you don't want to go to college you go on a vocational track.  I still think there should be mandatory, no exceptions requirements for a high school diploma. 

I don't know that it's all the teachers fault.  I do think some of them have a really hard job, teaching kids who don't want to learn.  It's completely different than teaching kids who WANT to learn. 

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apply for a college prep high school, if you don't want to go to college you go on a vocational track.

Germany has that system.  Actually, you apply by taking a test to qualify.

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Personally, I think that frequent flunkings just might be a good idea to wake some students and their parents up.  As San Cho said, this sense of entitlement, this sense that "I deserve to graduate" in people who have done no work is just crap.  We are, quite literally, diluting our pool of talented and gifted students with a whole lot of worthless pissants.

I'm with Ock.  Screw 'em.

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I always laugh when I hear people on the radio, or in the news complaining about the state of education here in the United States.  Why?  They're usually the same people going off about the importance of self esteem in students and not overburdening them.  If you want the schools to adequately prepare students for the world, then they have to be tough, they have to demand performance and results over making the students feel good about being there.  The way it is now, we're churning out a bunch of self-contented idiots who have never been told "No"

I'm really not that long out of high school (graduated in 2000), so I remember better than perhaps many here how the system works.  Resources and effort is spent on bringing up the underperformers at the expense of the average or above average.  Everything is curved to get those kids through, and to avoid hurting their feelings.  The result?  Kids graduating that shouldn't have, and those who stood to gain the most from an actual education have to make up for it on their own, or go into college woefully unprepared.  It drags everyone down.

Then everyone goes to college, because it's just an expectation of everyone now.  So unless you're at a private school, you get to spend time in classes with the same folks that didn't bother in high school.  So now colleges and universities have to dedicate time to teaching basics.  The same bad behaviors from high school also trickle up to higher education.  Parents intervening on behalf of students when they get a bad grade, teachers having to babysit students because of required attendance etc.  College is becoming less and less about educating, and more about just turning out a person with a piece of paper and a huge debt.

Forget whether or not a student gets the warm fuzzies from a class, we need to start requiring that they actually learn and retain the information.  If they fail, they fail and it's on their head.

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I haven't even bothered to read the other, related article because I already had a pretty good idea where it would go. This bullshit is why I quit teaching after only two years. I was told that I was too hard on the students because I expected them to actually learn the damn material.
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I like ocks plan {thru asaxygirl} make em aplly to high School. if you want it make it plain, if you do not want it, make that plain too. With this plan in place we cut out the ones that disrupt, use drugs, and are general malcontents, the ones that want to be there are MAYBE NOT the ones that wind up snapping and shooting rooms full of people.
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I like ocks plan {thru asaxygirl} make em apply to high School.

While I agree some aspects of the plan -- it's very pragmatic and would create an appreciation for high school -- there is a side-effect that hasn't been thought through:

What do we do with all these dropouts? Vocational training is a thought but if they're too unmotivated to pass high school then how willing would they be to become menial laborers?
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Give them no money. They can get jobs for low wages, and then maybe they'll decide to go back to high school by themselves. Parents cutting them off would help with that, too, when they see how much living actually costs and how important it is to not work for minimum wage. And whatever you do, DON'T give them iPods.
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shooting rooms full of people.


what kind of weapon do you use to fire people.
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This bullshit is why I quit teaching after only two years. I was told that I was too hard on the students because I expected them to actually learn the damn material.

But how would these students be prepared for the rigors of daily adult life? Or more pragmatically, how could you keep them from becoming gang-bangers without a future?
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The state did not release its data, but local jurisdictions reported that overall pass rates on the test for the Class of 2009 ranged from about two-thirds in Prince George's County to higher than 80 percent in Howard County.


I don't remember who said it, but school bus drivers are held to higher standards than the teachers.

Think of the outcry if school bus drivers only successfully delivered 66% to 80% of their passengers to school.