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Smoking is bad for you ...

Smoking is bad for you ...

...but it should not be criminal offence to smoke.

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I know all about smoking. It is bad for you and it is bad for others who have to put up with second-hand foul air. It is a habit that became very popular after the first World War and was deemed socially acceptable right up to the seventies. The figures that show cancer and emphysema fatalities from smoking are not disputed. They are fact and the healthy eighties and nineties saw a downward trend in smoking to levels where only 25% of Brits , 25% of South Africans,18% of Americans and 16% of Australians smoked in 2005. (note: these figures were based on estimations of tobacco consumption and are probably slightly lower now).

The problem about smoking (for me), is that tobacco companies still continue to advertise (albeit in a more limited fashion), that they still provide employment for thousands of employees,and, their products are still freely available.

Now, I, a person with a sense of logical thought and a penchant for wanting 2 + 2 to equal 4 , want to know why cigarettes are not banned entirely. I mean it would prevent incidents like those this week in Britain where a pub smoker was locked up and Charles Kennedy (former libdem leader), was cautioned for smoking on a train. Is a smoker such a criminal that he should be locked up? It's the law you'll say. I'll tell you why the law is an ass (UK speak), a dumb ass (USA speak):

3 weeks ago I stood in the queue at passport control at Heathrow. The lady in front of me was having her passport checked. At the risk of boring you, the conversation went like this:

Passport officer: " What is your destination?"
Lady: "Jamaica."
Passport officer: " You arrived from Jamaica in 2001 and were given a six month visa to stay in the UK. It is now 2007. Can you account for that?"
Lady: "I must have overstayed. I didn't notice the expiry date. I'm sorry."
Passport officer: " OK, let's go and check this out."

Sheesh--and they want to lock up smokers?

My message to Britain is this: You cannot control your borders but you want to lock up smokers. Where are you're priorities? No wonder there are thousands of illegal immigrants in Britain. I shake my head.

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'You have become another sad blogger who makes judgements without knowing the person on the other end.'

Yes, we all know the type, adnauseam. The kind of blogger who would respond to criticism of his arguments by attacking the critic, not the criticism. The kind of blogger who would fail to rise to a challenge that he supply evidence to support his assertions, but elect instead to publish a completely separate thread of personal invective and supposition in respect of the challenger.

Don't hide your light under a bushel, adnauseam. Let your readers into the fact that the only way you can respond to a counter-argument is to attack the individual who presents it:

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CharlesCS1, if you don't mind, I'll respond to you here rather than on the adnauseam thread that attacks me personally. I don't want to be accused of attempting to sway anyone's opinions there. I want to invite visitors to that thread to judge for themselves, and leave it at that.

'Funny to think that I was somewhat like you on that article yet he/she did not mention me.'
Yes it is. Perhaps I was rather more persistent than you - other than that I can't explain it. However, I would like to thank you for your company and support throughout this debate, particularly when adnauseam's replies to me started to get more personal.

'I don't know if what DrGuy says is true about you ...'
Well, Dr Guy and I have crossed swords once or twice. I think his ambivalence towards me may derive from the fact that we subscribe to markedly different political ideologies, but perhaps I am being unfair. Ultimately it's not for me to say. You - and other JoeUsers - should be the judges.

'... but he is entitled to his opinion.'
He most certainly is. And I hope he reads this thread in forming it.

'I would hate to think DrGuy thinks like that of me ...'
What can I say? Adhere to blogging etiquette, but otherwise be true to yourself. How Dr Guy (or any other blogger) chooses to think of you subsequently is beyond your direct control.

'Those who get mad have two problems, getting mad and getting unmad.'
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Yes it is. Perhaps I was rather more persistent than you - other than that I can't explain it. However, I would like to thank you for your company and support throughout this debate, particularly when adnauseam's replies to me started to get more personal.


Funny since I'm usually the one who comes off as persistent and annoying. No problem with the assistance, I come here to debate, to express what I think is right and wrong in the world. When I see a view similar to mine I reply with my view to add to the point. When I see a deferring argument I try to point out why I see it differently in the hopes of getting a "you might be right" or maybe I can be corrected in the subject. I'm not perfect and I can be wrong often. With exception of Col gene, I try my best to not come off as a jerk, know-it-all who thinks is never wrong, but I can be persistent and often annoying.

Well, Dr Guy and I have crossed swords once or twice. I think his ambivalence towards me may derive from the fact that we subscribe to markedly different political ideologies, but perhaps I am being unfair. Ultimately it's not for me to say. You - and other JoeUsers - should be the judges.


Well according to him he has respect from you, just as I do to him and many others on this site. I may be a jerk once in a while like I am with kingbee but he asks for it sometimes and I just can't resist getting annoying at this point. I have had my fair share of battles with many here including LW who I would suggest anyone who faces off with her to make sure to bring a sword and shield and lots of Tylenol cause you will feel it when she unleashes her brain. I should know, I have tasted it and lived to tell about it. Keep in mind this is usually only if you really piss her off. The rest of the time she is kind, sweet and an all around kool person to be around.

What can I say? Adhere to blogging etiquette, but otherwise be true to yourself. How Dr Guy (or any other blogger) chooses to think of you subsequently is beyond your direct control.


Well the reason I care is because I tend to care about what people think of me based on how I act. I don't like people who get mad at me for not reason, who think I'm a jerk for no reason and who may find me more than just annoying when I thought they saw me as a nice guy. Can't help it, I love attention. DrGuy has been nice to me since I first started here and just didn't like the idea of being seen as a jerk or something.

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Goes right up there with another saying my mom says a lot, translation "he who makes the laws makes the cheats".