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Are Embryonic Stem Cells People Too?

Are Embryonic Stem Cells People Too?

Where does it end?

Psalm 139:13
"You knit me together in my mother's womb."

So, God knits people together in their mother's wombs. Does he also knit them together in test tubes? I have no doubt that he CAN. But does he WANT to? Or does he want us to be able to do research on embrynoic stem cells? I don't know what God wants for us here, but I know this - once the cells are IN the womb, then God definitely starts knittin'. I don't know if I can call test tube embryos people. I can call them human, but when I shed a layer of skin, that's human too. Should I be having a ceremony for each skin cell? No, because the person - me - is still alive. So cells that are human can exist outside of being a person. How many make up a person? I don't know. But if it's in the womb, God's knitting. If it's not, it might just be some cells that happen to be around. What if... what if we make the embryonic stem cells into skin cells? Then are they worth the same as my skin cells, or are they worth more because that was the only record of that combination of DNA? I don't think I can believe it. I think they're just cells, part of humans, not actual people. But ANY bit of new baby cells in the womb needs some serious respect. In a test tube, not so much. The miracle of a test tube giving birth just doesn't have the same ring to it.
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Reply #26 Top
So marked.
Reply #27 Top
So marked.


Thanks Jythier,

I couldn't look. I had to quickly bypass these pics. My heart breaks for these babies.


I'm pro-life and those images still make me feel guilty for even living on a planet that allows that to happen.


yes, me also. What kind of monsters are we becoming? What is more helpless than a baby in his own mother's womb?



Reply #28 Top

JJ BEAUTIFUL babies.  Three well loved, well nourished, LIVING babies.

LW...wow.  It breaks my heart to see these pictures.  In my head I hear these babies saying.."Mama!  Mama!  Please help me!"

It is so freaking tragic.

Reply #29 Top
As of late, I have to agree with LW. People have to get a clue and see for themselves before making hasty choices. I will never understand Loca and her idea of 9 months. There are many many children that were born before the 9 months, would they not be considered alive? I felt both of my children kicking way before they were even 7 months, as far as I was concerned they were alive. I find it interesting that people are willing to end lives to find cures for horrible diseases yet do not bother to fight to eliminate some of the things that create some of these diseases like cigarettes, alcohol, fossil fuel (gas for those who don't know what I'm talking about), etc.
Reply #30 Top

Nor will I. The photos I posted were all of babies in their second trimester--all perfectly formed, all legally aborted.


I could barely look at them but then I guess if you can actually ignore these pictures I can see how someone might actually think as Loca does. BTW, in Spanish Locamama means crazy woman or mother, kinda makes me wonder even more about the way she thinks.
Reply #31 Top
I think any woman who claims to be pro-choice ought to be compelled to display one of these aborted babies in a jar of formaldehyde on their kitchen table.


And I think it should have to be hers.  
Reply #32 Top
Citizen)ParaTed2kJuly 6, 2007 21:15:47Reply #12
Embryonic Stem Cell research is a waste of time and resources. Adult Stem Cells are now being used in over 30 treatments... Ebryonic Stem Cells are being used in NONE. There is nothing Embryonic Stem Cells can do that Adult Stem Cells can't.

Where did you receive your MD?
Reply #33 Top
ColGene. Since when does someone have to have an MD to be able to read facts? I know you are a high and mighty Colonel, but some of us don't live for our titles.
Reply #34 Top
I think they need to cook for nine more months to be considered a baby.


I guess my babies aren't babies at all. They only made it 31 weeks 5 days. That's not even seven months.

These are as much my children...

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as these are...




You see Loca I'm not speaking from what I read in a book. Or just the pictures you see. I have gazed at my children from the lens of a camera and through a microscope. I have seen them through out their whole life including the time you think they didn't exist.

When I read your reply, it made me angry that someone could not cherish life in every stage. But now, I'm sad for you. I'm sad that you don't value the blessings you were given without struggle. I'm sad that you didn't have to work hard for your children. I think then, you would place more value on life not just a number.

We had four embryos that were implanted and all four 'took'. At 10 weeks we lost one. When the doctor discovered we had four, he began discussing selective reduction. (two words I still don't like) We had no desire to mess with the gift we had been given and worked so hard for. I still mourn the loss of Rocket. You see from the moment we found out we gave them all names. Star, Moon, Sun and Rocket were what we called them. To us they were always, always alive and ours.

I hope one day you can experience the joy of being totally devoted to the lives of your family.
Reply #35 Top
Thanks for posting more cute pictures, my blog will only get more popular... of course, you have to navigate past LW's post, but hey, it's worth it to see what should have happened.
Reply #36 Top
I know this thread has been dead for a while but I jut wanted to add one more thing to my last comment. Most people don't really understand what it's like to go through what we did. A lot of people that go through what we did never find success. This is why I value every embryo.

"I would die for that"
Reply #37 Top
Thanks for sharing, just john.