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Is art worthless on the Internet?

Is art worthless on the Internet?

People will pay for some crazy things but cry foul over paying for artwork

Today Stardock Design released its first "Master" Dream to the Dream (animated wallpaper) gallery. It's the one Microsoft showed off at some of its events.  As some know, Microsoft worked with Stardock to make some of the animated wallpapers for use with Windows DreamScene. Windows DreamScene (the software) is a feature for Windows Vista Ultimate users.  Most of the content we created for Microsoft hasn't been released yet (it will be available from Microsoft).  In the process of creating the animated wallpapers for Microsoft, we made a bunch of extra ones for WinCustomize.com which had nothing to do with our work with Microsoft.

So far, Stardock Design has released 6 free .Dreams and 1 premium .Dream.  On top of that, Stardock has released DeskScapes as freeware and DreamMaker as freeware.  And of course, we host the Dreams here on WiniCustomize which, on their own, used over 2 TERRABYTES of bandwidth.  So from our vantage point, Stardock's been "the good guy". Providing lots of free stuff, lots of free software and providing a free site to get it on. 

But Stardock's also a business. The costs of producing all this has to be made up somewhere or else we wouldn't be able to keep doing it.  But some people seem to be very vocal in their outrage that artists won't work for free. They'll happily pay Microsoft $400 for Windows Vista Ultimate but cry bloody murder about paying third party artists $4.95 for content.  My Xbox 360 cost quite a bit too but amazingly, the games aren't free. Those "greedy" game companies! 

Here's some of the comments on Blissful Sunset:

"It's absolutely ridiculous that they're charging for this-- it's just wrong. But for people who own Vista Ultimate, just wait, I guarantee you that this will come w/ the final Dreamscene when it's released. "

According to this user, it's morally wrong for artists to be paid for their work.  He's quite incorrect about Blissful Sunset coming with the final.

Another user wrote this:

"The implication (with MS showing it at official events) is that this development is work that was part of your contract with MS and therefore has already been subsidized and is in fact being paid for by all of us by our shelling out extra bucks for Ultimate edition."

This falls under the "no good deed goes unpunished" category.  Microsoft was looking for high quality content to show off during their demos but didn't want to give away some of the stuff that will be coming in the final release so they asked us if they could show the extra content we made. We agreed to let them. After all, it's pretty cool to see your work up on stage. But this person (and others) have tried to argue that we should simply give away all the animated wallpaper for free that we've made because we made the ones that come with it.  How does that make sense?

Over at Valve's Steam website, a user posted "Stardock sux" and writes:

"This is just unbelievable. Stardock is now charging us for what is supposed to be a FREE Vista Ultimate Extra"

This line of thinking is equivalent to saying that someone who bought say Half-Life 2 via Steam is somehow entitled to HL2: Episode 0 and HL2: Episode 1 and so forth. After all, they paid for Half-Life, why should they have to pay for additional content?  In fact, that's been one of the trends in the "outrage" group. Sure, there's 18 dreams that are free. But they shouldn't have to pay for anything because they bought Windows Vista Ultimate. I just totally can't grasp that mindset.  In what universe does someone buying a version of Windows entitle them to free software and content created by third parties?  Heck, my cell phone tries to get me to pay money for additional ring tones!

So here's what's going to happen -- one of these 2 things are going to occur:

Possibility #1: Users decide animated wallpaper is worthless.  In that case, Stardock Design won't be creating any more for consumers. Remember, Stardock Design currently has a 6 to 1 ratio in free to premium content.  At that point, consumers would just have to hope that individual artists  --who understand that there's no chance they'll ever be able to even make some extra side income from their efforts-- will take the time to create spectacular animated wallpapers that loop perfectly and are encoded in high quality at high-definition. Maybe that would happen but I wouldn't count on it.

In addition, since the bandwidth bill would still exist, users would have to buy WinCustomize subscriptions to download after awhile.  So the "free beer" crowd would have to find their content elsewhere. But don't count on these being available on most sites. At 50+ megabytes a pop, it's a lot of bandwidth. Someone has to pay for it.

And of course, that would mean the software would have to start charging for extra features. Want to pay 3D dynamic content? The user would have to get the "Pro" version.  The point being, the costs of producing, supporting, and developing this stuff has to come from somewhere. Personally, I think a system which nearly everything is free but a handful of premium content isn't free is a pretty good arrangement for everyone.

Possibility #2: Enough users decide that there's value to animated wallpaper. If something comes along that is of exceptional quality happens to ask for a few bucks, then it's worth buying.  In that event, what would happen is that it would attract more and more talented people who would submit lots of free ones in the hope of eventually being able to occasionally release premium ones to help recoup their time and costs. It's worth mentioning one more time - Stardock Design's free to non-free ratio so far is 6 to 1. If other studios and independent artists of great skill start to do the same, that sounds like a win-win.

So far, the results have been good. In the first 4 hours of "Blissful Sunset" we sold over 200 copies of it. Whether that trend continues remains to be seen. There's always a big bump at the beginning. The typical WindowBlinds Master skin has an initial bump and then eventually trends to around 5 per day after awhile.  But even 5 per day, put over time, is worth it.  The author's share of that ends up being around $3,500 per year per skin (not counting the initial bump) -- enough to buy a new computer.  But skins are different because it's an established thing.  Animated wallpapers are brand-new. How things progress with animated wallpaper remains to be seen.

 

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Reply #26 Top
i`ve used windowsblinds since 0.8,or something like that.John t Folden was still developing it.i finally got a credit card,and although iffy abiut using it on the net,i have.i now own windowblinds,icon packager and cursorxp:and nearly every premiun suite stardock have released.also got essorants nuage skin,nice work,as a master skin it costs(who cares).if you want it buy it,if not then just be quiet.

Keep up the good work Stardock and All Skinners
(wincustomize sub coming up next)
Reply #27 Top

There has always been an aversion to Skins not being 'free', no matter whose or from whence.

Skinning originated quite literally within a small group [groups] of hobbyists 'playing' with the possibilities of making an OS look/feel/respond/work differently.

As with anything new it had a gestation period through which it matures/evolves.  Subsequent growth creates overheads as popularity/interest rises, just as increased complexity/sophistication increases the work involved for the skinner/s.

Any person who has had experience within the skinning communities [or from without, even] will definitely know of people who no longer appear to be skinning anymore.  The reason is they had moved on to [then] existing commercial ventures...where artistic/professional endeavour is valued and they could draw an income/career from.

The biggest single method of ensuring quality artisans remain within our community[s], creating quality content is to have a system in place whereby they do not NEED to leave to afford to eat, but can live [commercially] right here.

Experienced [Master] skinners remaining within the skinning scene benefit us all with their contributions...not JUST the artworks, but also the wealth of knowledge they have garnered within the field.

The former inspires....and the latter educates.

....and the community grows.

 

I see no downside to this what-so-ever....

Reply #28 Top

Sorry but since when is Stardock right and WE are wrong. Like I said they will keep charging no matter what anyone says. Others will jump on the wagon to get there $5. So what is so bad about Microsofts sences? See if you want to USE Stardocks fancy ones your going to have to PAY. As of now there not better nor do they use less memory. Because you make a moving background does not make you a artist. I have been blessed to meet some great artists and MAKING money was not the reason they did it.

Then get those "great" artists to make some Dreams and upload them.

I'm always interested in trying to understand people who don't see the impending train wreck when it's so obvious.

The best thing that could happen for people who want good free content is for the premium content to see well.

So far, Stardock Design has released 6 free, and 1 non-free animated wallpaper. That's a great ratio. Especially since the one non-free one is less than 5 dollars.

If it takes off, other artists who have the skills to create great stuff may be attracted to come on and do the same thing. Everyone wins.

But if it doesn't take off, do you really think a bunch of "great" artists will come on and release tons of great stuff? 

So far, the non-Stardock stuff is mostly taken from HD video content that's available on the net. At some point, that will run out and even if it doesn't, most of it doens't loop. The only way you're going to get a critical mass of top artists to make animated wallpapers for you is if they believe their efforts will be rewarded.

So seriously, tell me, who is going to create this awesome, high-quality animated wallpaper content?

Someone save this thread for the future if it turns out that nearly all animated wallpaper is either really crappy 3D rendered stuff or barely loopable video content (or worse, a bunch of water scenes where a program has been used to make the water seem like it has waves which look incredibly fake).

We're talking about 3D rendered scenes like you'd see in movies (I assume you don't pay to go to the movies either?).  It's expensive stuff. And either people will see that a 6 to 1 ratio on free to non-free from a studio is a good thing or they won't. 

 

 

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It's not wrong to make people pay for high quality work. If you could charge $100 per and get away with it, yay for you. The problem here is (as someone started to mention above) timing. Vista gets released, Dreams come out, and people start looking for all of this "awesome" content that they were promised. A few semi-cool ones are released and then the first one that's supposed to live up to the hype carries a charge with it. If you can't see why that would upset some people, then you need to take a hard look at your marketing strategy. I only say this because you say you're baffled by people whining. They're whining because it seems like a lure-them-in-and-then-charge-them type of a scheme.
Also, I think you're trying a little too hard with the "who's gonna make high quality content for free?" Winamp skins are fiercely abundant for free, and a lot of people, especially teens and college students starting out, are rewarded on the idea that they got x-thousand downloads last month and the knowledge that other people love their stuff. Not all reward is money. Again, I could personally care less what you do in the end... but right now you are the ONLY source for high quality content, you're linked here from MS themselves, and the dreams idea is still in its infancy. Bottom line: it wouldn't be a bad idea to get off the high horse and realize that not everyone understands why you're charging, who you are, and that you're not affiliated with MS. And in the end, that's your fault for allowing yourselves to be linked to here from THE OS ITSELF!
Reply #30 Top
I sincerely hope that it's 'Possibility #2' as I really admire the heck out of Stardock and all they have contributed to this community. I have paid for versions of all the Object Desktop software and feel it's been more than a fair bargain. I have also purchased a fair share of Suites and other goodies from Stardock as I feel some of them to be well worth it considering the low cost. I haven't seen Dreamscene in action but from the description, it sounds very exciting. No doubt I will be checking it out. Good luck with what you are trying to accomplish and take it from me, good art in any form is WORTH SOMETHING!
Reply #31 Top
Stardock Design's free to non-free ratio so far is 6 to 1 - kudos.

But free content shouldn't be held over people's heads to encourage them to buy premium content...one's apples...one's oranges.

Not to mention premium content SHOULD be just that...a step above anything given away free.

I don't think animated wallpaper is going to be the next "big thing" by any means.
Finally someone @ StarDock has admitted they haven't recreated the wheel or made miracles happen. I prefer companies to have realistic viewpoints of their performance.

I think everyone needs to remember that ART is ART.
While it maybe in some venues ART comes with a price...MOST ART does NOT cost ANYTHING.

If you want to discuss compensation for time and effort or hosting costs...be honest.
Don't say that THIS ART is worth THIS much in anticipation of a market that was born a few days ago.

As for hosting costs and value of one's work...a word to the wise...
Do NOT EVER think you are, your site, or your labor is IRREPLACEABLE.

Someone will come along cheaper, better, faster, and more successful.

When discussions such as this begin I slowly shake my head and think about how far the reason for this site was created have quickly faded and been forgotten. TO SHARE!

Albeit, WC was later adapted to market and sell some content but I've been watching this site's development for a variety of reasons and a few things have fallen by the wayside:

1) previous free submissions were approved or disapproved and some people were lied to and disregarded frequently while admins hid behind reasons of (copyright infringement) while others who never put the required documentation with their releases were clearly allowed to violate some of these rules

2) recently all limitations of free submissions have been raised (in part to permit some new works, blood, and interest in the site and I'm sure to also alleviate the work of some admins here)

3) paid for content has become more of a focus -- including that of the communities' artist

4) a message has been drawn in the sand and I warned WC and StarDock about this previously: Telling people pay to play has its reasons and benefits -- but it also alienates and has its own setbacks.

I hope within due time the execs who call the shots here can pick and choose battles wisely because for awhile now StarDock and WC have been moving at a great pace and growing quite nicely -- but somethings are rearing their ugly head and when those things go without true diligence to compromise the results can bring said progress to a screeching halt.
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As for hosting costs and value of one's work...a word to the wise...
Do NOT EVER think you are, your site, or your labor is IRREPLACEABLE.

Someone will come along cheaper, better, faster, and more successful.

Yes, I've heard this before over and over. I'm still waiting for that replacement site to WinCustomize.com and deviantART.com. 

When WC/DA started having letting people buy subscriptions, people insisted that someone would replace these sites with better faster, etc.  That was 5 years ago.

Never assume that someone else will magically come up and give something to you for free just because you really really want it.

As for the assertion about "timing", that's really an issue between the user and Microsoft. 

When discussions such as this begin I slowly shake my head and think about how far the reason for this site was created have quickly faded and been forgotten. TO SHARE!

I don't recall you being here when we created the site. As for sharing, in the 3 years you've had an account you've downloaded over 2 gigabytes of content without submitting anything or buying anything. What sharing are you referring to?

Reply #34 Top

Also, I think you're trying a little too hard with the "who's gonna make high quality content for free?" Winamp skins are fiercely abundant for free

I can make a good Winamp 2.x skin (which is what 90% of them are) in an hour. 

I could not create Blissful Sunet in a million hours. It's beyond my capability.  But let's say you're right, then problem solved and the issue becomes moot.  But I wouldn't hold my breath.

Reply #35 Top
Ahhh hello???? What are you guys smoking at Stardock with your scenario one and two crap???? IF you are goign to do that sort of BS then please follow through. I totally agree w/ most of what you have said in scenario one but you did not go to its conclusion. So after stardock starts charging all sorts of money for .dream files, dreammaker pro, dreamscene extra special deluxe pro (now with more colors...), etc. less and less people will come by to the site and interest will ultimately die in .dream files (there will always be the minority vocal fanboys but that will be all that is left)... Since they ahve laready paid for the program there is no new revenue coming to stardock from them so bottom lines get hurt and programs have to be discontinued...

This leads to a bad reputation for stardock of lack of support for customers and havign programs with no content essentially making the program useless... Which leads to further downturn of profits which then means no more stardock...

[size="7"]REALITY CHECK:[/size="7"] Stardock as a company HAS to and will ALWAYS have to provide the wincustomize site? Why? Because most of the other skin sites don't have the necessary funding and if people can't get skins, cursors, icons, etc. they are not going to buy your programs. Please go ahead and make wincustomise even more of pain for non-paying customers, limit their access, don't let them dl more than 1 file/100kb a day and see how fast interest will fall in WB, IP, CursorXP, etc...

Wincustomize was not created to benefit the consumer it was created solely to sell your programs. The whole master suite/skin/dream/whatever? It is a poorly planned response to a dearth of great orginal content. GUI olympics? Same deal. The whole dream thing is bringing troves of potential new users to get the free stuff but at the same time allwoing you guys to inundate them with ads for your other programs. You think anyoen is going to shell out for WB if then only way to get a new skin is to make it yourself or pay for it because all the good skins cost money???

Please don't patronize us with we are the good guys crap... I for one say if you think yo ucan do it go for it... Start charging for everything.. $9.95 for a suite? Hell no $40.00.. Why not.. I am happy to see you guys nickle and dime yourselves into oblivion. I really hope this the last time you guys make one of these self rightous posts!
Reply #36 Top
This is a terrific article, excellent that you spoke up. Most people are so retarded, one can't even begin to imagine their way of thinking.

Thumbs up and all that.
Reply #37 Top
I'm seeing a lot of valid points here - on BOTH sides. Here's my take.

The "anti-Stardock" side:

1) Poor timing. The product isn't really even out of beta yet, due to early code, poor Vista drivers, and probably a Vista bug or two to squash. Even the "Features" like triggering and playlists aren't even in beta yet. So, it seems a little early to be hitting people up for cash, for just this reason. Fair enough.

2) Bait and Switch. Like it or not, this is the .Dream that MS and Stardock showed to sell people on DreamScene (and by default Vista Ultimate). To not give it as part of the first install seems disingenuous to say the least. Now, if it cost Stardock money to make this, then it seems pretty clear that MS should pay for it...period. If they balked at it, then Stardock was left to decide between recouping or eating it. Regardless, I don't think the $5 price is really an issue. I think charging ANYTHING for the flashy demo video is the real core issue.

3) Bandwidth. Stardock and WC have made a HUGE issue about the cost in bandwidth for their content. Now, ANYONE could have told you guys that serving VIDEO files for a NEW MICROSOFT OS release was going to make your previous bandwidth concerns look like a broke dick dog pissing on a hydrant compared the FLOOD you could expect from this new "video in volume" combination. And while Microsoft can easily absorb these kinds of bandwidth costs, Stardock probably cannot or will not. So it's pretty clear MS should either host a lot of this or pick up/share the hosting cost. After all, it is THEIR OS and this is so far the ONLY thing that people are actually saying "WOW!" to isn't it?

The "pro-Stardock" side:

Me.

I'm an Academy and Emmy Award winning 3D digital artist, visual effects supervisor, and graphic designer. I've got plenty of original high quality content (and ideas) that would make for amazing DreamScenes. I've been waiting to see if there is a market for them while I do my own internal tests to see what makes the best Dreams etc.

If I'm only going to be releasing stuff for free, so be it. I do want to give back to the community - just don't expect it very often. Other spec projects take priority - especially at my pay grade, hehe.

If, on the other hand, there is a market for the material, even a small one, then it makes some sense to take some of my "downtime" and repurpose and create content for a product and a community I believe in.

______

So, in summary, I do think that Stardock should charge for its premium content and I hope all of us buy the occasional one we like. However, I don't think it was a good idea to charge for the very same video that got everyone excited during all the demos. Oops!

My two cents...and my $5 for the animated wallpaper.

Supporting the artists, DreamScene, and Stardock. Peace.
Reply #38 Top
Ya know...I'll bet that most people complaining about having to pay for content are paying $5 a month for a remote control for their cable. That's $ 60.00 a year. Many stores sell remotes for under $10.00. I think you see where I am going here.......
Reply #39 Top
I really hope this the last time you guys make one of these self rightous posts!

I really don't think this applies to Frogboy ... more like you. I see you enjoy exaggerating, making up lies and using lots of exclamation (and question????) marks to make your (mostly invalid) points. Hell, your insulting attitude certainly swayed me!

Most content on WC is free. It will stay free. However, life is not free, and sometimes in life you actually have to give something back to the people who give you stuff. Like, money.
Reply #40 Top

I for sure can understand Frogboy´s point of view.

If you release 1000 files for free, then you are cool, but you are doing nothing more them your obbligation, but if, at some point after you give tons of them for free, you decide to charge some really minor bucks for something, then you are a greedy person that is just looking for the money.

Wouldn´t that be the inverse way?

Brad, you have done much more for the skins scenarium that all the people that complaints together. After having a website that people could download thousands of skins for free (during almos 5 years), I know very well how much that costs to us to give things for free. You are on the right track, keep them coming. btw...Blissful Sunset is fantastic!

Reply #41 Top
Nice words FB!!!!

You can not make everyone happy ... simply. Who doesn't want to purchase, shall not purchase.


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Why not.. I am happy to see you guys nickle and dime yourselves into oblivion


Nickle and dimes would be charging for every single skin on this site, and that is not the case.  There are literally thousands of free skins available for download on Wincustomize, even for programs that aren't made by Stardock, but a few premium skins for a reasonable price is somehow "nickle and diming".......I don't think so.




Reply #44 Top
The more I think about this, the more I get bothered. I hope this thread is a very intelligent twist on marketing and Stardock isn't really taking the whines seriously.
Reply #45 Top
The more I think about this, the more I get bothered. I hope this thread is a very intelligent twist on marketing and Stardock isn't really taking the whines seriously.


Agreed. The whining is silly. Dreamscapes will either be successful or not based on people wanting it on the desktop after the "newness" factor has worn off. If the public decides against it, it will not matter if the Dreams cost or are free. If the public likes it, then good dreams will and should be sold. Time will tell. Best of luck to Stardock with this venture.
Reply #46 Top
Is art worthless on the Internet? Heck no !~! Regardless of whether it is quality or worthless in my eyes it will always be up to the artists if they believe they can receive money for it. I recently saw a painting consisting of 4 red stripes priced at $6000.00 yes six thousand dollars

But the argument given in whether I pay or not has nothing to do with my paying 5 bucks for a cup or coffee or if I have to save pennies in order to eat until the end of the month. Those comparisons & arguments are insulting whether it is about an animated wallpaper or a master windowblind.

Before you jump all over me....please read....First Frogboy has repeatedly stated legitimate and reasonable arguments for insisting on what is a very small amount to pay for quality & time consuming works.

So Please keep the arguments based on facts. Inform users on those costs, the learning curves, the programs needed and the amount of time it takes. Most of us have no concept of those issues.

Acknowledging that people were blindsided by the request for money....albeit a very legitimate request goes a long way in soothing the future customers willingness to pay. And they were blindsided. No where in any of the advertising was any information given on the cost of making dreams nor a hint that they will have to pay for the * highest quality dreams. Telling them to pay up or in other words shut up *only creates animosity. And word of mouth spreads faster than any amount of high quality advertising ever will.

Regardless of their age, income or maturity they still are potential customers and if we are lucky great additions to the Wincustomize community.

As it always has been & always will be people will balk at spending their money, but lets treat them with respect even if we don't agree with them. Saying I understand your argument and giving them facts on the costs will never satisfy everyone but it goes further than telling them what they should be spending their money on.

I am proud that Stardock is a part of this new technology and hope that they will indeed make enough money to make this newest endeavor worthwhile. I think that this is the coolest site on the net and the potential for new skinners to work their way up to master shows the high standards that Stardock has set. And of course we are the beneficiaries of this concept. Keeping up with the newest technology will keep Stardock on the cutting edge for years to come.

So it would be great if someone would post an article on making dreams, the howtos, the programs needed ect. and time involved.

I understand everyones frustration on some outrageous arguments given for Not paying...but think it not write it Please...I can not put in print some of my responses to some of those comments....I would be banned ....There is no angel sitting behind this keyboard And most of your comments are indeed mild compared to the original comments but lets not argue with them...don't give some another excuse to attack

It's My Secret

Reply #47 Top
Same sh*t, different day.

MOST ART does NOT cost ANYTHING.


Hm, I know of some fine pictures, I want for free. So please would anyone give me some Lichtensteins, Warhols, Picassos and of course Dalis for free to decorate my flat ? And while You are at it, some really cool sculptures would be nice, too.
Reply #48 Top

Wincustomize was not created to benefit the consumer it was created solely to sell your programs.

Sorry, you are wrong.  Not sure where you were back then, but I was there, as were many others here still.

Wincustomize.com was born out of the dying embers of skinz.org simply because the CEO of Stardock was a fellow skinner, just like many of us here, who all dreaded the loss of skinning's community, and at that time skinz was the epicenter. [Deskmod, Customize.org were up and down like yoyos, and Devart was only in its infancy...and was intended to deviate from skinning towards mainstream art].  Stardock already had its own sites for programs/coporate identity, etc., but with the impending death of skinz a lot of us were praying for a 'miracle'....shoot eFront's management [or have them charged on criminal counts] and magically get skinz.org back.....

Fortunately for us all, Frogboy decided to 'simply' divert funds from his business into what he [and we] perceived as a hobby.

Ever since then Stardock has been called everything from fascist to evil, and anyone arguing the contrary has been labelled a 'fanboy' and summarily dismissed/ignored.

Numerous debates arise from time to time as to whether 'skinning' is Art, or not [or Design].

Generally everyone conluded it WAS an 'artform', so, [even if not] it had an intrinsic value ...as any creative design would.

Placing a value [price] on it was always going to be contentious....but....

Think it through like this... You are an individual with a personal identity.  You wish to promote YOURSELF to the world at large...so you ask [commission] a person to design a Logo.... a Company Banner....a tailor-made suit....a house design [my trade]...a skin for your computer's GUI.

How much do you think this 'personal one-off' will cost you?

Price will NOT be 'shared' by volume.

How much for that Windowblind skin made JUST FOR YOU....never to be released elsewhere...just yours?  $5? no. $50? $500 $5000 $50,000?

Where you answer correctly is where you are based in reality.

OK, now ditto with an animated high-def wall image.....come one....have a stab at it.

And instead, this product's cost is to be shared amongst others sensibly....so $5 is the determinate.

Probably equates to the cost of an 8x10 print of Dali's clocks [and you still haven't bought the frame]....

Reply #49 Top
I dont post often, but I felt compelled to NOW!

I support Stardock's need (and right) to charge for premium content.

Of course I'd like everything to be free... New cars, boats, maybe Rolex should give away their watches!

It's a topic I've seen on many other sites: "Why isn't it free?"

Some people just dont get that downloadable content takes time and resources to produce, just like anything you would buy from a walk-in store.

Now I plan to purchase 'Blissful Sunset', right after I go to my job, where I hope to get paid for the time I spend working!
Reply #50 Top
How much do you think this 'personal one-off' will cost you?

Price will NOT be 'shared' by volume.

How much for that Windowblind skin made JUST FOR YOU....never to be released elsewhere...just yours? $5? no. $50? $500 $5000 $50,000?

Where you answer correctly is where you are based in reality.

OK, now ditto with an animated high-def wall image.....come one....have a stab at it.

And instead, this product's cost is to be shared amongst others sensibly....so $5 is the determinate.


I have no issues with the sale of Master animated walls, Master Blinds or for that matter anything that Stardock wants to sell. Just fine with me. A business is a business. The existenace of WC is something that we can thank Brad for as well and anything that helps with overhead absorption is also just fine with me.
But what are you talking about in the above quotation? No one that I know of is getting "personal one offs" but rather product that any one can buy.I agree with your basic point just don't get this analogy t all.