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"Obey Me," Says God and Fundies.

"Obey Me," Says God and Fundies.

It so doesn't deserve it.

Many years ago it became clear to me that God as described by the fundies was unworthy of worship.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't believe. It's just that, well, the god of the Christians is frankly an immoral, vicious bastard with the social graces of a praying mantis and a heart as black as coal.

I don't claim to know the infinite universe. I don't claim to be a good person. But I do try. So when I hear that the Creator is all for the murder of innocent children, or turns a respectable woman into salt for taking one last glance at their home before it's destroyed forever along with all her friends, I think - that god must be a prick. If I knew it socially I'd probably avoid speaking to it. Arseholes just aren't cool.

Of course the fundies would tell you that obedience is the key. But I've always believed that you should stand up for what is right. Why should I obey a ruthless, cruel dictator simply because he decided it would be fun to shape my ancestors out of clay/DNA/the sun god's right testicle/whatever your creation story of choice is?

Is that the kind of moral message the moral right wish to send? It's okay to obey the wishes of the evil if they have power over you. It's okay to sacrifice a small child if someone stronger than you asks. Don't make a fuss if someone takes all your stuff, kills your family and animals and infects you with diseases to win a bet. Don't speak up. Don't speak out. OBEY.

What kind of person would I be if I did that? What kind of person would obey the demands of a creature that is clearly fucked in the head?

Since I was a kid I've always been told to do what I believe to be right. And it's not right to do evil just because someone stronger than you tells you to. It's not right to do evil just because you'll suffer if you don't. It's not right to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Nazis and extremists and exclaim, when your conscience comes to judge, "It was an order!"

It's not right. And if God is really as malicious and cruel as it is described to be, then it is not worthy of worship. Power isn't everything, and every time we teach our children to obey, rather than question, evil, we condemn an entire generation to the horror of our own world.

An omnipotent god who creates a world like ours isn't to be praised. It's to be blamed, for they cast the vast majority into endless torment and suffering on a whim. Anyone who would do such a thing isn't worthy of our obedience. They're worthy only of our pity.
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Reply #26 Top
5. There may be a god, but if there is it's probably a) a sadistic bastard, b) basically uninterested in humanity or c) little stronger than we are. Ergo there's no point worshipping it because that would be a)immoral, b)pointless or c) there'd be better investments of my time.[/quote]

hmmmmm sounds like this theory comes straight from the pit of hell IMO. I see Satan pretty much saying this himself in scripture.

[quote]I was raised as being told that Adam and Eve were the first man, and woman. Reading that, and re-reading it now, it doesn't seem so. What do you think?


I think you're on to something. Scripture is very clear. There was no death before Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were the first humans. Not only do we see this in the OT but also in the New as well.

Gen 2:4 and following is clearly a topical focus where up until then the focus was chronological. The reason for this was after the order of things were stated, the author moved into the geneology of mankind.

Reply #27 Top
hmmmmm sounds like this theory comes straight from the pit of hell IMO. I see Satan pretty much saying this himself in scripture.[/quote]

How convenient.

[quote]An interesting question, and one I just wrote about myself. Forgive the shameless plug, cacto, but I think you'll enjoy this one too


Go for your life. I can forgive just about anything so long as it's shameless.
Reply #28 Top
Many agree with you, of course, but many do not. So...who has it right?[/quote]

hahah, I do of course!! I guess I could ask you the same question!

[quote] can forgive just about anything so long as it's shameless


to err is human but to forgive is divine!