One kills innocents - that is their mission. The other kills killers - that is their mission. That you equate them shows how immature and naive you are. And stupid.

Correction,

One is to fight for/defend Islam, under their caliph or such.

One is to fight for/defend their country, under their commander and chief.


See?

Oh, and doc...if i was immature - then why is it that you do the same? You've been childish, and immature. Such as, on KFCs thread, remember?

Second, I am not stupid, nor am I naive on this. I may be naive about some things, but i've done my reading and research, this is my opinion on it.

Since we're talking about being naive/ignorant, then I could easily say that you are naive/ignorant about me, LW, bondage, and other topics...

Shall I? I won't, because i won't stoop that low.

Just because i don't "go with the flow," doesn't mean I am immature. Funny thing is, i have many people...my professors, my family, my friends (many whom are years and years older than myself), people i know online....who all say i am mature.

So Doc, I say you are wrong.

Oh come on. You know we can't offend anyone anymore.

I am offended by this statement!

Silent Poet wrote: Fear, capabilty.....meh,the thing is...if it gets to a certain point, it's called paranoia.

Yeah, and one of the ticket agents was afraid to stop some guy boarding a plane because he was Muslim. He did the politically correct thing and let him board. Too bad it was 9/11 and it was one of the hijackers. It might not have stopped the operation but the ticket agent still feels like crap! I would rather err on the side of caution than political correctness.

"Would you be more likely to have an anxiety attack at 20,000 feet if the passenger seated next to you was: A) An Irish nun saying the Rosary? A Mormon missionary in regulation white shirt and narrow, black tie? C) A Hari Krishna in a standard-issue saffron robe? or D) A bearded bloke of Middle Eastern complexion holding a well-thumbed Koran?" Specifically D. A bearded bloke of Middle Eastern complexion holding a well-thumbed Koran? This sort of crap is what people pass off as acceptable criteria for designating people terrorists. Which one is more likely then the other. If it were only that easy.

I am sorry but I can't remember the last time a nun, a Mormon, or a Krishna, hijacked a plane so I would be watching the muslim person. Now if the nun had an 18 inch ruler I would worry, because I have been to Catholic school and I know what they can do with a ruler.

That's something I've noticed, there's an over all fear of islam. The average american seems to think that the Muslim next to them just might do something... It's sad, and horrible. It's fucking despicable.

Not true Poet, My sister died a Muslim and I had to burry her according to her belief. I don't fear Muslims but I do understand how most of the radicals think and that is something to fear.

Mr. Greene wrote: To date, these men have not been charged with a crime, am I right about that? They didn't do anything wrong except be disruptive, and not cooperate with the flight staff, evidently two of them sat in first class. They performed suspicious actions, but they didn't break any laws, just misdemeanors at best.

Interfering with the flight crew in the performance of their duties is a felony, it is normally handled administratively which means they will get a notice in the mail saying they owe a fine of 500 to 2500 dollars. There is no appeal there is no court unless they fail to pay the fine. In which case they have a trial and if convicted they can get up to 10 years in federal prison plus a fine. I used to work for a few airlines when I was younger and that was how it was handled back in the 90’s If you care my title was GSC Ground Security Coordinator. To interfere with the flight crew all you have to do is say no when they ask you to do something.

The military might not be engaging in it, but that leaves the CIA, and anybody working side by side with a foreign government who could give a sh*t less about a persons' rights overseas, we'll not ever know about it, because if you are a detainee you don't have a right to a trial or even know what you are accused of. We don't even need to prove an enemy combatant is an enemy, just that they were there when we rounded em up, locked em up threw away the key.

Mr. Greene you are correct because the UCMJ only covers federal employees inside a war zone and the Military no matter where they are. Usually the FBI watches the torture of local citizens that they don't intend to bring to the US for trial. The FBI is allowed to take notes only, remember that the FBI are guests of the host nation and has no say in how a person it dealt with. The Church Committee outlawed the CIA from the use of torture in 1975.

Whip my comments about them being inexprienced travelers, was indicative of the facts of the post' refrenced articles. I.e. not sitting in the assigned seats as well as not cooperating with the airline staff. The terrorists that struck on 9/11, complied with the laws and didn't unblend in. If they had not blended in, not been so cool as to cause alarm like these guys. Then it may have been a different story.

Look I'll give you that it doesn't look like this was a case of inexprienced travellers.

If that's what you think I agree. No interview of the men by the media has gone over, I've heard no quotes from them except denying anywrong doing.

No explanation for why they were seated in unassigned seats
No explanation for the steatbelt extender
No explanation for why one of them was blind, not that it needs any, just curious as to why you'd take a blind imam on a plane to make a political statement if this is what that was.

Has anybody offered to have these guys on a news program and find out why they did this? Why not?

You and Brad are the first places I've read of this twice. I haven't seen any evidence of that just that they were praying in arabic. "praising Osama Bin Laden"
Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

If they've disobeyed the flight staff and are charged with a crime then that's yet to be reported. At least to me. Anybody got some more links on this?

You and Brad are the first places I've read of this twice. I haven't seen any evidence of that just that they were praying in arabic. "praising Osama Bin Laden" Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Passengers and crew reported the men were almost "shouting" anti-American rhetoric and talking about bin laden. These people knew EXACTLY what they were doing.  The real question is now is WHY they were doing it. 

I hope they get charged, but being that the media instantly runs off with the racism charges, its not surprise to me they haven't.

 

Could it be that you're foolish? Nahhh, not wise, mature, Lucas! It's the thousands of people who tell you how freakin' wrong you are day in and day out that are the fools, right, kiddo?

Have I ever, out right, said I was mature? I've admitted that i have a lot to learn, especially given recent personal events.

Oh wait, you *are* a DU reject, aren't you! You really ought to reflect a bit on why you find yourself banned or exiled from almost every forum you participate in.

Whip, you remember why I was banned from here....have I shown any of that behavior since i came back?

1) I've not spammed

2) I've not picked fights, and have been fairly diplomatic on people pushing my buttons.

3) I've not plagerized.


Hmmm, see...i've changed. Just try to deal with that.

While I agree that the DoN is an ignorant fool, you've totally eclipsed his foolishness with your own. His political opinions are often right in line with my own in spite of my personal dislike for the man, while yours read like a DU reject's.

How have i been a fool? In fact, if you wish to answer that question...email me, that way we don't jack IDs thread any more. Okay?

The only reason I got banned from DU is because I wasn't....enough of a crony.

Please keep my name (and sexual preferences) out of your mouth on unrelated threads, Lucas.

While I wasn't specifically referencing you and your preferences (re: the email weeks ago), as it was what came of the top of my head....I will respect your wishes.

That's like equating the KKK with the Democratic Party, they both have a "duty" that they are sworn to do, "for one reason or another." Why do you automatically seek to morally equivocate everything, Lucas? Are you that scared to use...(gasp)...JUDGEMENT?

It's what I feel LW. I've made it clear. If you don't like it.....oh well.

"praising Osama Bin Laden"

if someone handed me screenplay envisioning an event plotted precisely the same way right down to the exact details reported so far, i'd most likely toss it onto the 'pass' pile as soon as it turned out one of the non-imam passengers was fluent in arabic.

same thing if one passenger was a streetwise tough-talkin guy from the bronx whose gruff exterior conceals a heart of gold...or a 5-years sober alcoholic woman whose rehabilitation is compromised when her hitherto undiscovered profound aviophobia manifests itself for the very first time as the attendants secure the cabin door.

hell, if it hadn't been for the title: 'imams on a plane', i woulda tossed it even sooner.

That'd be a great movie Kingbee - just so long as the busty flight attendant with a four-year-old girl, a heart of gold and a killer left hook is forced to land the plane because the pilots had a heart attack/were shot accidentally/fell out.

EDIT: And it should be someone's last day on the job, only for them to die just after you've started to feel sympathy for them.

And there absolutely must be a montage of the terrorists preparing themselves. Without a montage a movie is nothing.

That's something I've noticed, there's an over all fear of islam. The average american seems to think that the Muslim next to them just might do something...

Fear? No. Disgust? Yes.  If Muslims don't like the bad reputation they have, they might try to change it by first not going on murderous rampages every few weeks due to the latest "outrage".

Supporting a terrorist organization is something terrorist-like. Okay, so i support our troops, does that mean i supported what those soldiers did at Abu Graib? Or, cause i support our military, does that mean i support WHIMSEC/SOA, where they train foreign governments individuals in interrogation techniques that are torture? No.

Are you comparing the US military to a terrorist organization?

Are you comparing what US soldiers did at Abu Graib to terrorism?

Do you recognize the difference between a miltiary organizations in which individuals may do something that is against the rules versus a terorrist organization where terrorism IS the rule?

If you give money to an organization whose stated intent is to commit acts of terrorism then yes, that's terrorist-like.

Not fear at all, but the average American knows what islam is capable of. Fear, capabilty.....meh,the thing is...if it gets to a certain point, it's called paranoia.

Yes. At a certain point it is called paranoia.  When we start thinking everyone is a potential terrorist, that's paranoia.  When we profile middle-east Muslims, that's common sense.

Are you comparing the US military to a terrorist organization? Are you comparing what US soldiers did at Abu Graib to terrorism? Do you recognize the difference between a miltiary organizations in which individuals may do something that is against the rules versus a terorrist organization where terrorism IS the rule? If you give money to an organization whose stated intent is to commit acts of terrorism then yes, that's terrorist-like.

I think I made myself fairly clear. They train these people in techniques, that are technically torture, and send them off where they have been known to use them. They may not have done the torturing, but they have aided them.

For example, it's like what you said, "If you give money to an organization whose stated intent is to commit acts of terrorism then yes, that's terrorist-like." (i.e. guilt by association)

Are you trying to apologize/excuse their aiding those people?

I admit, they may not know whether or not these individuals they train are going to use them against people, i.e. terrorize/torture them, but one would think, that if they had an ounce of compassion, they would realize - after finding out about what these people - the one's they've trained - have done, that enough is enough, and also, you'd think they would try to do something to stop it.


I do realize that, however, it doesn't excuse it.


As far as I am concerned,what they did there at AG, is terror.

If Muslims don't like the bad reputation they have, they might try to change it by first not going on murderous rampages every few weeks due to the latest "outrage".

Tell me, do you believe in condeming a entire group, on the actions of others of the same, ethinicity, religion,etc...?

When we profile middle-east Muslims, that's common sense.

Have we profiled or done something of the like with non middle east muslims? Or, anyone for that matter? In case you forgot, terrorists are not just Muslim...that is something that irks me...I mean, i've heard precious little about efforts against non muslims. Maybe it isn't mentioned much, i don't know.

montage of the terrorists preparing themselves

hmmm...how bout this for an opening scene?

bg as opening credits roll

int-freight forwarder's warehouse, empty except for a large wooden crate.

pan in on crate bumping like a badly leveled washer

new angle-looking down from ceiling into box

inside crate, at least a half-dozen imams writhe & coil around each other becoming increasingly agitated.

return to original view - crate tips and spills imams out onto floor.

as credits end - imams slither outta frame.

And the theme song - "You can leave your burqa on..."

There, that's better. Nothing like a little gratuitous nudity to set the tone and titillate the senses.

Hmmm, me thinks this is 'might' be a jab at them, and their ideals regarding nudity.

me thinks this is 'might' be a jab at them, and their ideals regarding nudity

good thing they don't have any ideals about being compared to snakes on a plane...altho i 'might' have actually been taking a jab at those who pride themselves on their ability to see through the msm's most elaborate illusions yet find nothing contrived about the presence of a 'fluent arabic speaker' on a flight from minneapolis to arizona.

beyond that, methinks the only thing more ridiculous than use of archaic affectations such as 'methinks' is seeing them spelled incorrectly. what's next in your effort to fabricate a persona reminiscent of an elderly great aunt?

'my stars'? 'gee whillikers'? 'jeeps! it's the cleepers!'?

beyond that, methinks the only thing more ridiculous than use of archaic affectations such as 'methinks' is seeing them spelled incorrectly.

I don't mind a good 'methinks' on occasion. It adds a rural flavour to speech, much like saying Y'all or yous. It's got that retarded southern charm, perfect for when you need to look like an idiot to avoid suspicion.

"Ah-duh, methinks thissa right pickle, y'all. Can yous try fix it, ga-huck!"

And what if it is? If you were a sharper tool, though, 'youmights' think it's a jab at Hollywood's liberal (I said liberal, heh-heh-heh) use of gratuituous nudity to add a little visual interest to an otherwise tepid scene.

*shrugs* Just stating what i thought. Really don't give a fuck what you do.

beyond that, methinks the only thing more ridiculous than use of archaic affectations such as 'methinks' is seeing them spelled incorrectly. what's next in your effort to fabricate a persona reminiscent of an elderly great aunt?

Hmmm. Ever heard of burying the hatchet? Letting dead dogs lie?

No, of course not. Silly me.

Why should he, Lucas? Because you've returned yet again with yet another 'persona?' I know where I'd like to bury a hatchet, but we won't go there, will we. No sir, we certainly won't.

No.

Ahuh, im sure you would.

I'd watch my tone if I were you.

What, i didnt threat you, nothing of that sort.

Oh but that's a lie, Lucas. You care very much, you've always groveled for my attention and the approval of others, it's only when you don't get that approval that you turn nasty.

Whatever, go ahead and think that.

Letting dead dogs lie?

expired canines seem even less likely to engage in telling tales than deceased humans whether or not i invest any faith in permitting either group to do so.

sleeping dogs are a whole other story.

i happily tolerate their poochly prevarication while refusing to join them in repose lest i arise similarly infested.

regarding hatchet burial, i'm 100% in agreement with lw.

Let's get back on topic.

Forget it. I'm done.

Adios~

isg's report recommendation 72 #8 contains an astounding bit of trivia. only 6 (outta 1000) americans working at our embassy in baghdad speak fluent arabic.


which elevates from lottery odds to miraculous the presence of a fluent arabic speaker not only as a passenger on this particular flight, but one seated in such close proximity to them imams on a plane he could hear every dastardly word they hissed.

i mean uttered.