Mixing anything is a transgression of God's law.

Just a question, then, concerning this viewpoint . . .

Do you find interracial relationships a "transgression" of your god's law?

Do you find interracial relationships a "transgression" of your god's law?

Personally, IMHO, no.

Sex and love.

Of all the sins people commit in their lives, it would not surpise me in the slightest should "sins of the flesh" be the most common.

God knew what he was doing when he made "sex" a requirement for survival. He had to make it so people would really like to have sex, and he made that core in our design. God is well aware of how humans feel about attraction, flirting, touching sensually, and so forth. He knows what it takes to overcome even the thought of having sex with a person one is attracted to (fantasies). God I feel will be VERY merciful to those that repent their lusts.

God, is a loving god. He loves us all, especially when we please him. God loves black, white, asian, indian...all of us, regardless of race or color. We were also created in Gods image. Why in the heavens would God fault us for being like him, loving people regardless of race?


San Chonio: This is a great question because it has great bearing over where the races originated from. I anticipate commenting further as others respond:)

Its interesting that you say that fleshly beings stay on earth while celestial beings go somewhere else.

I find it interesting as well. It goes without saying that flesh beings cannot traverse the heavens. I know theres more to what Orion is saying here. I'm hoping he will elaborate a bit more

Reply #30 Mixing anything is a transgression of God's law. Just a question, then, concerning this viewpoint . . . Do you find interracial relationships a "transgression" of your god's law?

I know you're probably asking Orion this question since he first made the comment. I hope you don't mind my butting in....  

I've read all of scripture in search of that question once before. God is not a racial God. He does not look at the external but is concerned with the internal. What I found very clear is that God does not want his people to be unequally yoked, that is a believer with an unbeliever. That's why he forbid the Jews to inter marry with the Heathens. Paul talks about this as well in the NT. Not being unequally yoked is a good principal to follow not only with marriage but also things like business ownership, owning property together or getting into business deals or contracts with an unbeliever. All these things can (and I've seen this happen)be a mess later on because like two oxen unequally yoked together, one wants to go one way and the other the opposite. Somebody usually gets hurt.

XYTHE
&
SAN CHONINO



Yes, as a matter of fact, race mixing is a transgression of God’s law.
To start with, when God created all the living creatures in the beginning of Genesis, you will notice that He states that each is after its kind. Over and over again after its kind is repeated for emphasis.
Each creature will produce itself by bearing young. The plants and trees which bear seed produce only its kind. A seed has a specific set of instructions to follow and never varies, for that is the way God set it in motion. Sperm is also seed. Seed in humans represent offspring or generations.
Wildlife species never mix. You never see a Robin mix with a Crow or a Frog mix with a Turtle.
As far as domestic animals are concerned, we were instructed not to mix one kind with another.
One can mix a horse and a donkey to produce a mule, but to get another mule one must mix another horse and another donkey, for mules cannot reproduce.
The same is true with crops. We were not to mix seeds in the field.

Now, as to people. All races of people except the Adamic race were part of the creations of the generations of the heavens and the earth. God set those races in their own lands, and set the bounds thereof.
The Assyrian Empire was vast and mighty well before Adam ever arrived (Ezekiel ch.31).
The first case of mixing races occurred in the Garden. Satan’s first attempt at stopping God’s plan.
The second was when the fallen angels mixed with the daughters of Adam. The Holy seed was corrupted except for Noah and his family. The flood destroyed all that had been corrupted. It did not encompass the entire earth, for Adam’s seed was only in that specific land. All the other races in different parts of the world were unaffected.

The word ‘bastard’ first occurs in Deuteronomy ch 23 v2: “A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord”
In Hebrews ch 12 v 8, it reads “ But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.”
The Hebrew word for bastard is Mamzer and is the word used for a person of mixed race.
The seedline has been corrupted and that offspring is not considered a son or daughter, for it is confusion.


Ezra chapters 9 & 10. Read both chapters, then read them again.
Ch 9 v 2 : “For they have taken of their daughters for themselves and, for their sons : so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands”
Ch 10 v 2 : “ We have trespassed against our God, and have taken strange wives of the people of the land”
Ch 10 v 10 : “We have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel”
The Hebrew word for strange is Nokriy (nok ree) and Nekar, meaning foreign, alien, different, heathen, non-relative, adulterous.
To adulterate something is to corrupt it, therefore to procreate with one not of your race is to adulterate, or corrupt the seedline, which is against God’s law of kind after kind.
To say that the world was destroyed as a result of the corruption of the seedline of Adam, and then turn around and say that corruption should resume and is well and good is lunacy.
Corruption of the Holy Seed impedes the overall plan of Our Father. Since Satan has not the ability to create, his only recourse is that of the destruction of the things God has made.
Satan is the father of corruption, and he sees to it every chance he gets and by the way things appear, he has many willing participants to aid him in this endeavor.
Whose team will you be on………Satan’s………or God’s?

Orionsbelt 77

AVECRIEN

That which is flesh is flesh, and that which is spirit, is spirit. No one can ascend back to Heaven, unless one had come from there to begin with. Flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. That which was created in the terrestrial plane, remains in this plane. Those that are the begotten sons of God (the elohim), which reside at the present time in this earth age and make up the Adamic race, return to the Father. Therefore one is twice born, born of the spirit in Heaven and born into a flesh body. One cannot put the cart before the horse. One is born of God in heaven long before ever arriving in a flesh body.
We are heavenly treasures in earthen vessels.

The reason the flesh cannot reside in Heaven is because Heaven occupies a different dimension and flesh simply cannot exist under those conditions. It is a dimension of light and not of atomic structure.
God will descend and Heaven shall be here, but those of the flesh will not be able to enter, for if they did they would certainly perish.
The generations of the earth will be fully restored, for "all flesh shall be saved, all Israel shall be saved"
The earth itself, will be rejuvenated, the Kings and Queens of the ethnos as well as all their various peoples will be here and I would not be surprised that their lifespans will be restored to what they once were.
When God created man in the flesh on the sixth day, He looked and saw that it was good. Anything that God creates for His good pleasure, He will not destroy.
You may read the conversation between Nicodemus and Christ in the book of John, chapter three.

Orionsbelt 77

Yes, as a matter of fact, race mixing is a transgression of God’s law.

lw was right. sounds a whole lot like dat ol time christian identity religion.

LITTLE WHIP

J.U. ate my posts Fri. night and again Sat. morning. I had to rewrite all that I had previously written.
So now, I got wise and have written using Word and paste it in the comment box so the stuff I write doesn't end up in the ionosphere when J.U. decides to shut down.

“A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord”

Wow. Ten generations is a long time. That must mean that if any of your ancestors back to your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was born out of wedlock or had sinful non white Israeli blood you're nothing but a bastard and denied the kingdom of heaven. Will anyone be saved?!?

I wonder if the Anglo-Saxon melding with Britons is sufficient to damn me? Or is it the addition of Irish and aboriginal that will do the trick?

I may as well get stuck into sinning then if I'm damned anyway.

LITTLE WHIP

HA HA Thank you, but I rather enjoy being lonely. I do not like to taint my study with anyone who might share my views, loosely or otherwise. I insist on not being identified with one group or another, so I steer clear of them. I have no wish to preach to the choir.
Sharing what I know keeps me focused on what I have come to know through thousands of hours of study and I do not want to gum up the works by listening to someone else. I am certain that there are others who have come to the same conclusions that I have, but I have no wish to seek them out to compare notes.

Thanks again,
Orionsbelt 77

CACTOBLASTAMEISTER

It is not known what is to become of a Mamzer, for it is not written. Do not become the clay pot who says to the potter, why hath he made me thus, hath he no understanding?
Yes sinning will help your cause immensely. Are your toes not sore from kicking against the thorns?

Yes, as a matter of fact, race mixing is a transgression of God’s law.

I hope we can examine this argument very closely.

To start with, when God created all the living creatures in the beginning of Genesis, you will notice that He states that each is after its kind.

This is very true.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Lets take a look at the word "kind":

H4327
מין
mîyn
meen
From an unused root meaning to portion out; a sort, that is, species: - kind. Compare H4480.

I'm reading this as "kind" referring to "species">
And God made the beast of the earth after his species, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

God mentions "beasts"; cattle (tame beasts)(after its species), creeping beasts (reptiles)(after its species). God does NOT mention anything about man. However, in the very next verse we see this:

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over a the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

God created man in His image, not by any kind, but in fact in the "likeness" of God and His heavenly beings. There is no biblical referrence to my knowing that tells us what race God belongs to, if any.

So, after the beasts, (cattle and creeping things ..etc)were created, THEN God said, "Let us make man in our image...".

The beasts were created each of their own kind (species), then God created man. I do not see the word "kind" used when God created man. Why, because all of mankind is of the SAME species; Homo sapiens.

Wildlife species never mix. You never see a Robin mix with a Crow or a Frog mix with a Turtle.

This is because although the robin and the crow both belong to the class: Aves, they are not of the same species (kind), and thus cannot interbreed.

Frogs are amphibians and turtles are reptiles; not the same species, thus they cannot naturally mix to produce viable offspring.

As you say, it is the same with crops. You can not naturally cross the seed of corn with the seed of a tomato because while both corn and tomatos belong to the Plant kingdom, they are not the same species.

However, no matter how we mix our seed with other human races, the offspring flourishes. Why? Because all humans belong to the sapien species. Simply put, we are the same "kind"

So, God created the beasts accordind to their species, then created man. He gave man dominion over the beasts. Beasts are not the same as man, but do adhere to the fundemental laws of reproduction. Only creatures of the same kind can produce viable offspring. Humans, regardless of race, all belong to the sp. sapien. Because we are all the same kind, we produce viable offspring of the same kind' another sp. sapien, or human being.

Acts 17:26 says that we are all of “one blood.” This means that we are all descendants of one man, Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45). Therefore, no matter what the color of our skin, we are all related. We all have the same sin problem and we all need to be saved from the punishment of that sin. If we do not agree that we are all related because we all go back to one man, Adam, then why should the gospel be preached to all nations?

This argument uses scripture, science, common sense, and Gods wisdom to show that the interracial mixing of seed is natural and does not in any way indicate this act is a transgression of Gods will.

Our Father created all men in his likeness, and he loves us all equally based upon our love for Him.

Yes, as a matter of fact, race mixing is a transgression of God’s law.

Well, I was going to make a nice, neat reply, telling you why this is a fallacy . . . but Xythe already did a good chunk, and I'm too lazy.

However . . . I'm not too lazy to call you a supreme asshole who needs to get his head out of his dusty old books and look at the world around him.

no matter what the color of our skin, we are all related.

Saying that interracial relationships is a sin is like saying the rott-collie mix is an abomination before god. Last time I checked, those old Heinz 57 mutts are the best dogs out there in terms of health and temperment.

Is a mule, then, an abomination before god? Because that's a donkey and a horse gettin' it on. Is that why they're sterile? Becuase they're an *pause for dramatic effect* ABOMINATION?

And you say that the same can be said of bi-racial people. And just so you know . . .

My little sister is half black, half white. I put on jennifer's article about revenge (check it out here) what I'd like to do to those that disrespect my little sister. I'll quote it for you just in case you're too lazy to go read it.

Everyone who's ever looked down on my little sister for being half-black, half-white: Tear off their arm and sodomize them with the bloody end.

So there you go, Orionsbelt. Be glad you're nowhere nearby, or you'd be in a lot of pain. If you honestly believe that it's a transgression, you need to get on your knees and ask God to open your nailed-shut eyes. Assclown.

Sharing what I know keeps me focused on what I have come to know through thousands of hours of study and I do not want to gum up the works by listening to someone else

well you must be listening to someone because what you are saying is NOT found in scripture. The verses you quoted in #34 has nothing to do with race but all to do with intermarrying out of the faith and therefore corrupting the whole line.

God is not a respector of persons. He even said thru Paul:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for yu are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise." Gal 3:28

It all has to do with FAITH, not COLOR.

It all has to do with FAITH, not COLOR.

Thank you, KFC, for not being a tool of the religious idiocy.

I am certain that there are others who have come to the same conclusions that I have, but I have no wish to seek them out to compare notes.

You should find them, because then maybe you'd find someone that doesn't find you totally reprehensible for your closed-minded, anything-but-christian mindset. You are the christian my momma warned me about.

Whose team will you be on………Satan’s………or God’s?

If your god is that heartless, I'll pick any other team. Glad I understand the way the big guy really is . . . and sad that you can't seem to wrap your head around it.

The Assyrian Empire was vast and mighty well before Adam ever arrived (Ezekiel ch.31).

I seriously find this hard to swallow. God breathed the breath of life into Adam the first week of creation. How is it possible the Assyrian empire was in full swing?

The first case of mixing races occurred in the Garden. Satan’s first attempt at stopping God’s plan.

Yes, and this would be far from racial mixing. I understand you make this statement based on the assumption that Satan had impregnated Eve with his supernatural seed. That is to say mixing the supernatural seed of Satan with the mortal seed of Eve. This without a doubt God forbade.

The second was when the fallen angels mixed with the daughters of Adam.

And again here, bloodlines are corrupted by supernatural beings, not corrupted from the men of one mortal race to another.

The word ‘bastard’ first occurs in Deuteronomy ch 23 v2: “A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord"

H4464 (Bastard)

ממזר

mamzêr

mam-zare'

From an unused root mian. to alienate; a mongrel, that is, born of a Jewish father and a heathen mother: - bastard.



Please note that "mongrel" is defined completely: 'born of a Jewish father and a heathen mother: - bastard.'



God commanded the people of the Bible, a special line of Adamic man, not to mix their seed with those who were not kinsmen, spiritually and racially. This law was put upon th Adamic line exclusively, as this is the line Christ would later derive from. If you continue reading Deu 23, this becomes quite clear.

In Hebrews ch 12 v 8, it reads “ But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.”

Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.



G3541

νόθος

nothos

noth'-os

Of uncertain affinity; a spurious or illegitimate son: - bastard.



Please note that 'bastard' in Heb12:8 is translated back from the Greek, unlike 'bastard' in Deu 23:2 which comes from the Hebrew.



But if ye be without chastisement,.... Or have no affliction:



whereof all are partakers; that is, all the children of God; they are all alike children; they are all in a state of imperfection, and prone to sin; God has an impartial respect unto them: and though they are not all alike chastened, nor chastened at all times, yet none are exempted from chastisement, but have it in some way or another, and at some time or another.



Then are ye bastards, and not sons; all are not sons that are under a profession of religion; all that are under a profession of religion are not chastised; but then those are not the children of God, but the children of the world, of Satan, and of the antichristian harlot; for though all that are chastised are not children, yet all that are children are chastised: hence we learn, that outward peace and prosperity is not a note of a true church; and that such have reason to distrust their state, who know not what it is to have the chastising rod of God upon them; and that afflictions are rather arguments for than against sonship.



I am still haveing a very difficult time deriving from scripture that the mixing of one mortal race with another, with the exception of the exclusive law laid down upon the Adamic seedline, is any transgression of Gods word.

I understand you make this statement based on the assumption that Satan had impregnated Eve with his supernatural seed.

Hmm . . . just a thought . . .

How does that work if Satan has no physical body for Eve to have sex with? Come on, gentles, you don't honestly believe that Eve got all hot-n-heavy with the devil . . . gimme a break.

Sounds like the understanding of the Fall around these parts is scarce . . .

How does that work if Satan has no physical body for Eve to have sex with? Come on, gentles, you don't honestly believe that Eve got all hot-n-heavy with the devil . . . gimme a break.

Well, Satan is a supernatural being and can take the form of whatever he chooses. Just like the fallen angels keeping with the daughters of men.

I have seen the argument that supports the Satan does Eve senario, and it's pretty reasonable. Unfortunately, IMHO, its not the way things are written scriptually, so no, I dont believe it.

Anyway, I figure Adam would have known if he was getting sloppy seconds of off Eve.   

Anyway, I figure Adam would have known if he was getting sloppy seconds of off Eve.

Exactly. I figure, Adam fell - that's why we exist. And so we can now live and be happy. If he hadn't fallen, they never would've had kids - the knowledge wasn't there yet, because . . . ahem . . . no fruit had been consumed.

We should revere our first parents, not revile them. They are two of God's most faithful children, and were honored with being the parents of the human race. We should treat them as such.

Exactly. I figure, Adam fell - that's why we exist. And so we can now live and be happy. If he hadn't fallen, they never would've had kids - the knowledge wasn't there yet, because . . . ahem . . . no fruit had been consumed.

hey SC this is not right exactly. They were told to be fruitful and muliply BEFORE the fall. Check out 1:28-30

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearingg seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.  30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is lifeh, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

The way I've always seen it is their fall happened pretty quickly. Just like sin happens....quickly. Satan is always in a hurry. The exact opposit of a patient God. Everything about him is a mirror image of God....ie backwards.

They were told to be fruitful and muliply BEFORE the fall. Check out 1:28-30

They might have been told to, but it's not like God pulled out the flipcharts and explained it to them. That's why Adam decided to partake of the fruit - having seen Eve fallen, he knew that to obey that first commandment - to multiply and replenish - was now impossible because Eve would be cast out. Consequently, they were able to multiply and replenish . . . because he fell.

Lehi, a prophet here in the Americas said it best, and I sorta paraphrased it: "Adam fell that man might be, and men are, that they might have joy." As I said, it was essential that we might come here and Christ might come and save us.

Now, you all can criticize my belief in other scripture, but I know that the above statement is true. Thanks to Adam's good decision making, we're here and we can enjoy our lives.

I won't criticize you SC only to say I only go by the scriptures and don't go beyond what is written. It's written elsewhere in the bible that Adam sinned and it's not considered a "good decision." Actually that's the first time I've ever heard it put that way.....  

I only have one question......how do you "know the above statement is true"?

how do you "know the above statement is true"?

When God's holy spirit burns within you and tells you it's true, and that there is more to scripture than what's found simply in the bible, then you do what his holy spirit tells you to do. That's pretty much all I can say on the matter . . . I'm sure you'd understand . . .