You should try VERY hard to live up to your newest moniker. Silence is golden, and in your particular case, would make you look like a genious.

  

I read that last line, and all I could think was that old song: "Silence is golden, golden . . ."

Lucas...

If intellect were a fluid you wouldn't be able to muster enough from your own resources to drown a legless flea.

NO, Benedict has not apologized. What he's said is "I'm sorry y'all got your panties in a knot over what I said but hey - fuck you, buddy". Or words to that effect.

His intervention was a deliberate gambit in a game that he's played for awhile now: to re-establish and reinvigorate a debate between the two principal roots of European culture i.e. Greek philosophy (including its transformations up to and beyond Kant) and Catholic theology. Islam, in translating and making known certain documents that had been lost to Europe (especially the writings of Aristotle) had a role to play in that development - but was never a part of that development, following its own path, as Benedict pointed out through the 'bounded' and 'unbounded' concepts of God.

And he clearly considers, even in the Regensurg Address, that this 'unbounded' concept is at the heart of contemporary religious extremism. His intervention was deliberate, neither thoughtless nor accidental - and quite possibly designed to produce the reaction that the Muslims obliged him with, in order to reinforce his point that Islam and European culture are, if not yet outright and declared enemies, then fundamentally at odds with one another. And that this tension between them is something no amount of singing 'Kum Bay Yar' round international 'liberal' campfires will address.

As for the morality or otherwise of making the intervention in the first place... Anyone remotely familiar with the Papacy knows that, on the whole, the Popes have been ruthless politicians and highly effective secular princes. Popes may no longer command armies as they used to - but this Pope is no less an effective political operator than any of those who went before him. And no matter the language that's forced on him by our lily-livered times, he is no friend to Islam. Why should he be? He's the Pope.

Reply By: San Chonino

Ya, they wish. *rolls eyes*

So what exactly do you suggest, Lucas? That everyone in the entire world never, EVER breathe a word of criticism towards Islam ever again because, after all, we KNOW how them crazy Islamolooneys are going to react?

No, learn to know when to say something, and when not to. It's not rocket science, well, maybe to some. Just, you know, sometimes it is better to not say anything at all. I've learned that lesson. I don't see it applied very much in the world. I mean, shit, if someone out there, lets say...a liberal, says something -- then i'd hear folks saying, "Hey, he should've shut his mouth." (So on, and so forth...) Face it, it's true.

I suppose it's the Popes fault that nun was murdered, hmmm Lucas? After all...he should have known better, right?

No, I stated clearly, that his fault was not knowing when to say something and when not to say something. I *never* said he was the one that caused the deaths. The only folks who are responsible for the deaths, are the ones that carried them out. I.e. the murderers,etc...

If you are going to use fancy words, dearheart, it might be useful to learn their meaning first. Algorithms are created by humans, you dork. Perhaps you meant equasion? Who knows what you meant? Do you even know?al·go·rithm (lg-rthm) n. A step-by-step problem-solving procedure, especially an established, recursive computational procedure for solving a problem in a finite number of steps.The only person who "messed up" here is you, Lucas. You should try VERY hard to live up to your newest moniker. Silence is golden, and in your particular case, would make you look like a genious.

Figure of speech, nothing more. If you want to chatisize someone, then you might as well do the same to several instructors of mine...they've used the word in the same way. *shrugs* Your choice, you obviously understood what i meat.

Any blame you put on the pope in this is dead wrong. He did nothing wrong here at all.

Lets agree to disagree on this one, alright?

If intellect were a fluid you wouldn't be able to muster enough from your own resources to drown a legless flea.

Heh...well, that worked wonders. *rolls eyes* Ya know, it's not nice to insult, but hey...I can't stop you. So, insult me some more...I'm not going to bite the foot that kicks.

NO, Benedict has not apologized. What he's said is "I'm sorry y'all got your panties in a knot over what I said but hey - fuck you, buddy". Or words to that effect.

It was a half ass apology. At least he had enough guts to do something. Frankly, I was suprised he did so. I wouldve expected less from him. I assumed he would stand on his soap box flaunting. Which is, in a way, what he did.

The point i am trying to make, is that he could've not said that. he could've used a different way. Why be blunt, when you can be gentle and just, if not more effective.

Again, I don't condone the reaction. Any of the killings, etc...

Reply By: jennifer1

Yes?


~S/P

As I said, Lucas, you really are not the brightest bulb in the box...

It was a half ass apology. At least he had enough guts to do something. Frankly, I was suprised he did so. I wouldve expected less from him.

It was not any kind of apology. It was, and is, a rhetorical device designed to appease so-called 'liberal' critics who wish us all to hold hands and be nice to each other.

Cardinal Ratzinger, as he once was, is not a nice man. He is an intellectual first, a Catholic second, and Pope third. And in every incarnation he seems to me to be a man commited to the values of Old Europe, and a man willing to go to war in defence of those values, whether the war be ideological or concretely military in nature.

The Germans are not the French, and Benedict is defiantly German. You need, as many in America need, to remember what Caesar had to say of the Germans. They are either at your feet or at your throat, and this Pope has no fondness for being on his knees.

Benedict is currently engaged in an ideological war that he intends to win. Bloodshed, while always regretable, is a necessary concommitant of that war.

Benedict has no intention of making peace with Islam. And only an overly-emotional, politically deluded fool such as yourself, would imagine that Benedict's conscience is in any way troubled by the fallout from his speeches.

He is far more interesting, as a Pope, than his predecessor, and far more politically aware and committed. A politics such as his I could support, even without having any inclination to fall in line with his religion.

Reply By: jennifer1 Yes? ~S/P

noe of your beeswax! I changed my mind!   

It was not any kind of apology. It was, and is, a rhetorical device designed to appease so-called 'liberal' critics who wish us all to hold hands and be nice to each other.

And what is so wrong with that as long as every party is committed to it? Nothing. Granted, it's idealistic, and very unrealistic.

As I said, Lucas, you really are not the brightest bulb in the box...

*shrugs* That's how I interpreted it. Deal with it, I'm not going to change my view on it. We might as well to agree to disagree.

noe of your beeswax! I changed my mind!

Oh darn! I was hoping you'd be the next person to bat.

Hahahahaha!No, Lucas. No you haven't. Not at all. Not even a little.Please always remember and never forget, it's far better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.The Pope isn't the fool here, you are.

Yes, I have, and you should keep that close to heart.

~S/P

I'm pissed that an Islamist somewhere said something that offended me... I guess in SilentStupid and Bahu's eyes, it's ok for me to kill someone now.

So where is the owner of this post? - Sitting in his chair having a fat giggle! I still think he posted this to piss us all off and plans never to participate on the thread!

Please always remember and never forget, it's far better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

*thinks - must remember to keep mouth zipped*

Go on Bahu when are you going to participate?

The posts with the funny typing - what is that all about? someone swearing at us?

I'm pissed that an Islamist somewhere said something that offended me... I guess in SilentStupid and Bahu's eyes, it's ok for me to kill someone now.

*sighs*

*rolls eyes, they almost fall out*

Read my posts. I say it again, READ my posts.

No, I stated clearly, that his fault was not knowing when to say something and when not to say something. I *never* said he was the one that caused the deaths. The only folks who are responsible for the deaths, are the ones that carried them out. I.e. the murderers,etc...[/B]

Again, I don't condone the reaction. Any of the killings, etc...

I never said it was right of them. I am [B]*NOT* apologizing for the muslim reactions, or anything. Yes, what they did (the murders, killings, etc...) IS wrong.

Get it?

Geesh...

predictable post from someone who has simply become an anti-mainstream foil. It saddens me to see a good blogger fall to this.

Here's a hint. Instead of all the histrionics, why don't you just stfu?

Hmmm...lemme see.

1) It's a free country

2) I'm not insulting you, or anyone here. I couldn't say the same about some others.

3) It's my opinion.

Have a nice day.

predictable post from someone who has simply become an anti-mainstream foil. It saddens me to see a good blogger fall to this.

Bahu, or myself? I'm guessing bahu.


Anywho...


*ducks as he leaves*

Back to my blog now...

~S/P

Former Bishop Gerard Bouffard of Guatemala said the Vatican is \"the real spiritual controller\" of the Illuminati and New World Order while the Jesuits through the Black Pope, Jesuit Gen. Fr. Peter Hans Kolvenbach, actually control the Vatican hierarchy and the Roman Catholic Church.

Bishop Bouffard, who left the Church and is now a born again Christian living n Canada, based his conclusion after working six years as a Vatican priest, assigned the task of passing daily, sensitive correspondence between the Pope and the leaders of the Jesuit Order residing at Borgo Santo Spirito 5 near St. Peter\'s Square.

\"Yes, the man known as the Black Pope controls all major decisions made by the Pope and he in turn controls the Illuminati,\" said Bishop Bouffard last week on Greg Szymanski\'s radio show, The Investigative Journal, at www.gcnlive.com where archives of the startling statements can be heard in their entirety.

\"I know this to be true since I worked for years in the Vatican and traveled with Pope John Paul II. The Pope takes his marching orders from the Black Pope as the Jesuits also arte the leaders of the New World Order, with the task of infiltrating other religions and governments of the world in order to bring about a one world fascist government and a one world religion based on Satanism and Lucifer.

\"People can\'t imagine how evil and how much destruction they have caused and will cause while, at the same time using the perfect cover of hiding behind black robes and professing to be men of God.\"

Bishop Bouffard\'s first hand knowledge of the evil lurking within the hierarchy of the Vatican and particularly the Jesuit Order confirms the testimony of other researchers, including Bill Hughes, author of the shocking books The Enemy Unmasked and The Secret Terrorists, as well as preeminent researcher of the Jesuit Order, Eric Jon Phelps, author of Vatican Assassins.

Besides painting a dark picture of the Black Pope in Rome, Bishop Bouffard claims the evil power of the Jesuits extends throughout the world, including solid infiltration of the U.S. government, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and major religious organizations.

Bishop Buffard claims the Jesuits act like the perfect chameleons, taking on the identity of Protestants, Mormons, Baptists and Jews with the intention of bringing about the downfall of America as well as bringing the country under a one world religion based in Jerusalem and under the control of their leader, Lucifer.

\"I know first hand that the Vatican controls and monitors everything in Israel with the intention of destroying the Jews,\" said Bishop Bouffard, adding the true purpose of the Jesuit Order is to orchestrate and control all leaders of the world in order to bring about a major worldwide conflict which will eventually destroy America, the Middle East and Israel. \"They destroy everything from within and want to bring about the destruction of the Catholic Church, as well, in order to usher in a one world religion based on Satanism. This is also seen in the way priests worship in the Mass, actually worshipping the dead. Also, signs of Satanism are seen in many outward symbols, customs and vestments displayed by the Church.\"

After his service in Rome, Bishop Bouffard spent time in Africa and Guatemala, rising to a position of power within the Church. However, with this religious power came affiliation and membership as a Freemason, becoming a 37 Degree Masonic member, something supposedly frowned upon in the Roman Catholic Church since, according to Canon Law, membership in a Masonic Lodge brings immediate excommunication.

For rest of story and more informative articles, go to www.arcticbeacon.com


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It saddens me to see a good blogger fall to this.

As I said.  perhaps thaT is why he is not responding.

Good answer, Lucas. You were never a 'good blogger' and in fact, you could fall no lower if you dug yourself a hole. The only thing 'saddening' about you, dear boy, is that you've returned to spread a little more of your idiocy around JU. What's the matter, did you miss the abuse?

Oh wow, you said something that was slightly good towards me. I must mark that on the calendar.

Actually, no. I did it for my poetry. Ya, ya, you're probably going to say i can write poetry like col g can write decent articles. You know what, I don't care for you opinion. I've learned to just let those things slide off.

~S/P

why can't the mulims forgive and forget and put it down to a foolish old man?

Let's see, (YAWN) the Muslims are now "mad" about yet another inconsequential bit of bullshit

The first sentiment would be admirable but for the simple fact that Islamophobia is inciting the likes of George Bush and his accolyte Tony Blair to murderous frenzy. In thwe context of the on going war against Islam, any statement of a major religious leader like the present Pope has to be tasken seriously. Pope Benedict uttered what was dormant in the minds of many people.

The Muslims do not need "causes" to be mad about. It seems that the USA and the rest of Western socireties are out to humiliate and project Islam in the worst ligh.

Cardinal Ratzinger, as he once was, is not a nice man. He is an intellectual first, a Catholic second, and Pope third. And in every incarnation he seems to me to be a man commited to the values of Old Europe, and a man willing to go to war in defence of those values, whether the war be ideological or concretely military in nature.The Germans are not the French, and Benedict is defiantly German

While I agree with the sentiments expressed, I think it was Tacitus in Gremania who said that about the Germans.
Cardinal Rarzinger as I have said is a good theologian but I feel that a man occupying the office of the Pope must weigh his words carefully.

errorist, muslim fanatics,baby killers= good people that are just living their daily lives

I am just tired of saying over and over again that I do not approve of violence.. Moreover, I am not a Muslim and I have quite a few differences with the Islamic praxsis of using violence instead of dialogue. Having said that we must also say that Pope Bebedict XIV lijke Pope Pius has made a majoe faux pas.

yeh the towel heads call my people bad names all the time. very much jewhaters and they show it, so I guess that makes it alright if I decide to pick up a weapon and kill Muslim children and women and behead a few men on national t.v.Maybe mutilate a few bodies, shove them in a gutted pig before I kill them. it's all ok to do this right bahu? Matter of fact I would fully expect you to write an article telling the world I have the right to do this and am totally excused for it too.

First off.... Not *ALL* Islamists are like that. Come back and show me every muslim/islamists statement that they feel that way. Otherwise, you're just generalizing.

Substitute word Nazi for Islamists and the same is true.

Substitute word Nazi for Islamists and the same is true.

Yes, that is true. Not everything that looks like a duck is a duck. So to speak.

~S/P

They do a fine job of that themselves, Bahu. Its not Americans and other Westerners calling for the slaughter of anyone not adhering to their religion. We arent the ones beheading journalists, shooting nuns in the back, or rioting over cartoons. Theres no bloody war going on between the Baptists and Methodists here, (ala shiite v sunni) and we aren't demanding that entire nations be wiped from the face of the earth (ala Iran v Israel.) Tell me again who it is that's making Islam look soul-less, lawless, barbarian, and cruel? Oh, its our fault you say?

ditto what LW said.

I admire your persistence, LW. Sad that it will be for nought, at least as far as Bahu having a rational thought about this.

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