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Bible Mythbusters

Bible Mythbusters

What Hell is and is not.

Hell.
There are four synonymous words for Hell, used in the King James Version of the Bible- Gehenna, Hades,Sheol, and Tartarus.
‘Hell” is the English rendering of two different Greek words in the N.T. The English word itself is from the Anglo-Saxon hel, Genitive case helle= a hidden place, from the Anglo-Saxon helan=to hide.
Gehenna, pronounced: geena, is the transliteration of the Hebrew Gai’Hinnom, i.e. The valley of hinnom or the valley of the sons of hinnom, where there were the fires through which the children of these pagans were passed through, in worship of the false god, Moloch. In the O.T. Tophet was the Hebrew word used because it was a place in this valley.
In our Lord’s day, the idolatry had ceased, but the fires were still continually burning there for the destruction of the refuse of Jerusalem. Hence, Gehenna was used for the fires of destruction associated with the judgment of God. Sometimes “Gehenna of fire”. See Kings:23.10 - Isaiah : 30:33 - Jeremiah 7:31,32 & 19:11-14.
Gehenna occurs 12 times, and is always rendered “hell”.
Hades (Greek) used by the Greeks for the “unseen world”. The meaning which the Greeks put upon it does not concern us: nor have we anything to do with the imaginations of the heathen or the traditions of the Jews or Romanists or the teachings of demons or evil spirits, or of any who still cling to them.
The Holy Spirit has used it as one of the “words pertaining to the earth” and in doing so has “purified” it, as “silver tried in a furnace” (Psalms. 12:6). From this we learn that His own words are “pure” but words belonging to this earth have to be “purified”. The Old Testament is the fountain-head of the Hebrew language. It has no literature behind it. But the case is entirely different with the Greek language. The Hebrew word Sheol is a word Divine in origin and usage. The Greek “Hades” is human in origin and comes down to us laden with centuries of development, in which it has acquired new senses, meanings and usages. Seeing that the Holy Spirit has used it in Acts.2:27,31 as His own equivalent of Sheol in Psalm 16:10, He has settled, once and for all, the sense in which we are to understand it. The meaning He has given to Sheol in Psalms.16:10, is the one meaning we are to give it wherever it occurs in the N.T., whether we transliterate it or translate it. We have no liberty to do otherwise, and must discard everything outside the Word of God.The word occurs eleven times (Matt.11:23 - 16:18 - Luke. 10:15 & 16:23 - Acts 2.27,31 - 1Cor. 15:55 - Rev.1:18, 6:8, 20:13&14) and is rendered “hell” in every passage except one, where it is rendered “grave” - 1 Cor. 15:55. In the revised version, the word is always transliterated “Hades” except in 1Cor.15:55, where “death” is substituted because of the reading, in all the texts, and in the American R.V. also.
As “Hades” is the Divine Scriptural equivalent of Sheol, further light may be gained by noting that while “Hades” is rendered “Hell” in the N.T. except once, where the rendering “the grave” could not be avoided. Sheol, its Hebrew equivalent, occurs 65 times, and is rendered “the grave” 31 times “ Hell” 31 times and the “Pit” 3 times. “The grave” , therefore is obviously the best rendering, meaning the state of death and not the act of dying, as an examination of both words in all occurrences will show.
The rendering of “Pit” so evidently means “the grave” that it may at once be substituted for it ( Num. 16;30&33 and Job.17:16).
The rendering “the grave” ( not “ a grave” which is Hebrew keber or bor) exactly expresses the meaning of both Sheol and Hades. For as to direction it is always down: as to place it in the earth: as to relation, it is always in contrast with the state of the living-(Deut.32:22-25 and Sam. 6-8) ; as to association, it is connected with mourning (Gen.37:34&35), sorrow (Gen.42:48 - Sam.22:6 -Ps. 18;5 and 116:3) fright and terror ( Num. 16:27 & 34 ) mourning ( Isa.38: 3,10,17,18) silence ( Ps.6:5 - 31:17 - Ecc. 9:10) no knowledge (Ecc.9:5,6,10) punishment (Num.16:29,34 - Kings. 2:6,9 - Job 24:19 - Ps. 9:17) corruption (Ps. 16:10 - Acts 2: 27,31) as to duration, resurrection is the only exit from it ( Ps. 16.11 - Acts. 2: 27,31 & 13;33-37 -1Cor. 15:55 - Rev. 1: 18 & 20: 5,13&14).
Tartaroo or Tartarus occurs only in 2 Pet. 2:4= to thrust down to tartarus. Tartarus being a Greek word, not used elsewhere, or at all in the Septuagint. The writer Homer, describes it as a subterranean prison , in which the Titans or Giants are kept as a result of rebellion against Zeus.
So , now you can easily see how we have arrived at “Hell” being a place underground, a prison of sorts , with fires continually burning, unseen by the living and those held there in an eternal torture.
We never could have arrived at this silly conclusion if the original words and meanings thereof were left intact in the Word of God, for one cannot possibly take the original words and meanings and combine them to invent such a place unless those words and meanings were substituted for the word “Hell” and its definition arrived at by scribes who would wish us to believe other than the truth. In no way can one arrive at the definition of a “Hell” by using the individual words and proper usage in the context and placement as they were originally given in the Hebrew Massorah, the Greek Septuagint or even the Latin Vulgate for that matter. For whatever reasons, we are taught that the consequences of not minding our P’s and Q’s is an eternal torture that awaits us all. One cannot prove this by using the original words in their original placement in the context which they were used.
So, what are we to think about the fate of those who have not and do not accept the Lord Jesus Christ? Would a God of love cavalierly cast one of his own into a fiery pit for an eternity? Is that the fate of the mentally ill....the untaught.....the ignorant? The only glimpse of what could possibly pass for what a hell might be, is in the story of the Rich man and Lazarus, where the Rich man did not overcome and found himself in a place that he could not escape from, and could see Lazarus from afar, across a gulf. There we find much symbolism used as the things the rich man was experiencing were not literal but figurative, and were not being dispensed by a devil . These were things he was feeling brought on by his own disappointment and heartache, finding himself in a place with definate boundaries, yet very near to paradise - in a holding pen of sorts and knowing he would have to wait until Christ returns to earth with all those who did not overcome in this flesh life for the thousand year reign, where they will be taught and made ready for when Satan is loosed from the pit to once again tempt and persuade as many as he can to join in his efforts. But as prophecy tells us , he will fail in this and he and those who join him will find themselves wading into the lake of fire and it is there that they will meet their permanent destruction, which is the second and final death.....the death of the soul itself and it is that that is eternal. One of Satan’s’ names is the Son of Perdition. Perdition means “to perish from within and from without” - a permanent, final death. If the lake of fire is thought to be hell, then it does not yet exist, for it is created only after judgment day, and judgment day occurs only after the thousand year reign of Christ, and that has not yet even begun , for Christ does not return until Satan is cast to earth by the archangel Michael, and masquerades as Christ and therein lies the danger, for we are told that the great majority of people will accept him as Christ, not knowing any better of course , for they have neither studied , nor have been taught......just like they have not been taught about “Hell” and other pertinent topics. Our Father has a plan and it is perfect and it will be done just as He stated it would , in His word.
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Reply #51 Top
Christ is coming back with a sword this time and I've got the gospel armor on and in place and am girded for battle for Him.


Yes he's coming back with a sword but that's not until Rev 19. We see the sword coming from his mouth. This is not a "real" physical sword. It's the Word of God in all his full fury ending the world as it began...with the power of his spoken word. Remember Judas? Remember how he "fell back" with all his men. How did that happen? Did Jesus pick up a weapon? No, it was with a "word" from the mouth of the Word incarnate.

Where in the world do you see us with any sword doing battle physically? No, it's his battle. The battle belongs to the Lord. He is all powerful.He is all mighty. All power has been given to him he said in Matthew. ALL power. He doesn't "need" our help.

Show me where you get this.
Reply #52 Top
LITTLE WHIP

Determined to keep me stuffed in that little old cubby ay? You know much more about these groups than do I .
I merely stated what I saw and heard them say, which includes ridding mankind of jews. I commented only upon my limited exposure to these people. You go on to say that these individuals were poor ambassadors of whatever group they belong to......and you know of better groomed, educated, articulate members of a group I know nothing about. Well, good for you. I also have no knowledge of a Richard Butler, yet you say I preach as well as he did.
Not knowing what he preached, and given the tone of your posts, I must assume that this is some sort of indictment.
Speaking of taking things out of context, I do not "have it say" jews are less than human. I do not say that , for scripture does not say that.
You would argue that anyone can take things out of context and make things say what they want it to say.............your post is an excellent example of just that.

OB77
Reply #53 Top
KFC.

Gee, you mean I don't get to see Christ slicing a letter "C" in His foes' shirts just like Zorro? DANG!
Of course I know that that sword is Christs tongue and that no lie can stand before it , for it cuts both ways. Geez.
We were charged with establishing the Kingdom and keeping it until His return.
I know you have already mapped out your plan of escape through the back door, so I have enlisted someone else to watch my back during the battle. You are free to go.

OB77
Reply #54 Top
Xythe.

John 8 verse 44 Christ speaking: " Ye are of your father, the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. he was a murderer from the beginning."
Who was the first murderer? The scribes and pharisees He was speaking to are Kenites. The word Kenite is a transliteration. Fully translated from the Hebrew is: sons of or decendants of Cain. Kenites were never part of the Assyrian captivity as Israel was and they themselves say so in verse 33, yet they claim to be of Abraham. Verse 37 is missing two words from the original texts, and those two words are "Ye say" =" I know (ye say) ye are Abrahams seed" - For in verse 39, Christ says to them "IF ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham"
Verse 41: "Ye do the deeds of your father.............NOTE - that when Christ refers to the Father it has a capital F, when referring to their father it is with a lower case f.

Now as to how the disciples and Paul knew what transpired in the garden: Do you think Christ did not speak at any time other than to address the
multitudes? Christ explained the Parable of the Tares in private with them so they would know and understand what took place as well as when, which was in the garden.
Matthew 13 verse 38: " The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
verse 39: " The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels"
The end of verse 43 ends with " He who hath ears to hear, let him hear".

Got yer ears on good buddy?

OB77
Reply #55 Top
Orionsbelt: I'm not getting into this discussion, but I will say that, if you use the "quote" tab, you don't have to make new comment posts for each individual answer. Just highlight what you want to answer from each post as it stands, and hit "quote". the portion of the quote you highlighted will drop down to the "reply" field. Saves a lot of time and even helps makes your answers clearer.
Reply #56 Top
Who was the first murderer?


This is an easy one. Lucifer.

The day that Adam and Eve ate of that tree at his request, they "did surely die."

He was the one who introduced death to the world via Adam and Eve.

and he still has the same old bag of tricks cuz they work so well.

Reply #58 Top
Much ado about nothing.


But it's fun to watch them nitpick. It seems like most of what is discussed in the religion threads on this site are the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture.
Reply #59 Top
but I will say that, if you use the "quote" tab, you don't have to make new comment posts for each individual answer. Just highlight what you want to answer from each post as it stands, and hit "quote". the portion of the quote you highlighted will drop down to the "reply" field. Saves a lot of time and even helps makes your answers clearer.


But he wants the extra points, rightwinger.   
Reply #60 Top
*Bomb drops*

KA-BOOSH! Thread killer!

He who hath brains to think, let him open his mind and think.