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MAHAMOUDIYA AND US MILITARY RESPONSE

MAHAMOUDIYA AND US MILITARY RESPONSE

A GOOD BEGINNING

The recent announcement at Baghdad that the 6 marines responsible for the rape and murder of a 15 yeatr old Iraqi girl and her entire family have beencharged with muder, rape, destruction of evidence, obstruction of justice and the like is a welcome step. The March 12 incident at Mahamoudiya has not received the same attention as the Hadita incident and probably that crime would have been forgotten but for the serious psychological problems displayed by the unit that participated in the March 12 event. That these marines belonged to the famous 101 Air Borne is particularly important because they have sullied the reputation of one of the bravest of the US military . The question that needs to be asked is why do such incidents happen? One can always say that in war such incidents are passe. However the number of such unfortunate events in which US serviceman are involved in increasing and there is an air of impunity with which such crimes are excecuted.

It is no ones case that the US military leadership actively encourages its men to indulge in such crimes. However the fact remains that the lower ranks of the chain of command are more likely to cover up such incidents and at times even abet in the fabrication of evidence, as is suspected in this case. In fact that men who indulged in that crimes had served 2 terms of duty in Iraq and probably were driven by despair. Since the toops are not being rotatyed enough, the potential for such breakdown of morale is far greater now than ever before.

The al-Maliki regime has staked claim over the soldiers responsible for the crime at Mahmoudiya on the ground that they have jurisdiction over such matters. The fact is that after al Maliki spoke of his so called plan of reconcilliation, the level of sectarian violence had dramatically increased. In fact just yesterday scores of gun toting Shiaas drove all over Baghdad stopping cars and pulling out passengers and killing those with Sunni names. Even women and children were not spared marking a dangerous turn in sectarian violence.

In spite of these glitches, the step to try the marines is welcome. The world is watching the outcome of the trial.
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Reply #26 Top
The US Department of Defence has charged these marines and if they escape without punishment it will only prove that the US is not serious about the WAr crimes of its troops. It will not prove the innocence of the troops. So that that.



And in that statement, you just proved what you are, Bahu....

And would you PLEASE supply us with something that explains why the Iraq war is illegal? Or is it so simply because you and the democrats congressmen that voted for it say so?
Reply #27 Top
If the facts prove that these men did commit this crime, they should and will be punished.


Agreed. But who is to try them. USA or an International Tribunal

And would you PLEASE supply us with something that explains why the Iraq war is illegal? Or is it so simply because you and the democrats congressmen that voted for it say so?


The war against Iraq is illegal because it is not a defensive war,Iraq did not pose a threat to the security and territorial integfrity of theUSA. As far as WMD is concerned, everyone except the American knew that there were no WMD in Iraq and even Bush and Blair knew it. They just used it as a foil to instigate the Congree into war. Nations do have the right of self defense under international law. But the right of self defense cannot be extended to cover presumption of war or what Bush calls preventive war.
Reply #28 Top
Agreed. But who is to try them. USA or an International Tribunal

Once again you fail to understand even the basic differences between a war crime and a criminal act. A man or men acting on their own, not in command or being commanded to act, is a criminal act, not a war crime. Just because a crime is committed during a war does not automatically make it a war crime. You really should study up on your facts instead of relying solely upon emotional rhetoric as it makes you look stupid.

As they are American military members who are accused of committing a crime, they will and should be tried as such. And international tribunal is for actual war crimes. Learn the difference.
Reply #29 Top
WMD is concerned, everyone except the American knew that there were no WMD in Iraq and even Bush and Blair knew it. They just used it as a foil to instigate the Congree into war.


Another example of the willfull ignorance you demonstrate all the time, Bahu.

Senate Committee Report Link

Butler Report (UK) Link

I can predict your response: "Those are untrustworthy sources since they're from America & the UK." Yes, only the all-knowing all-wise Bahu is worthy of our trust to tell the truth and nothing but the truth. Bleh.
Reply #30 Top
willfull ignorance


I reject this accusation altogether. I have read that the 9/11 Comission didf not find any evidence of Saddam's involvement in Terrorism. Sarcasm aside, is it not true that USA is gifting a war in Iraq that is as useless as it is brutal.
I have answere your points in a post a few post ahead and I am not blindly anit Bush/America. You may havr read my post on the renet SC judgement on SCOTUS case which is a good and balanced judgement. I wish you do not go overboard in defending the indefensible.
Reply #31 Top
I reject this accusation altogether. I have read that the 9/11 Comission didf not find any evidence of Saddam's involvement in Terrorism.


Wrong answer. That's not what I called you on. You said Bush & Blair "knew" there were no WMD's. And the Senate Committee Report I linked is not the 9/11 commission report.

Fact remains, you willfully ignore facts that don't fit your prejudiced view.