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Should Americans care what Europeans think of candidates?

Should Americans care what Europeans think of candidates?

A tale of two continents

For reasons I can't quite understand, some people argue that we should take into account what Europeans think of Bush and Kerry. Why?

I think the reason is cultural lag. A seeming obsession to worry about what the "mother country" thinks of what we're doing. What's worse is that many Europeans seem to think that their opinions should matter to us. The whole thing is very selective too. It's not based on merit. It's not based on population. It's not based on economics. It's particular to Europe.

Let me give you an example: How often in these debates over Iraq have we heard about how France thinks about what we should do? Now, compare that to Japan. Japan has a larger population, a much higher GDP, and produces a lot more products and services that people use on a day to day basis. Yet France gets an incredible amount of attention. The US had Japan's support for its actions in Iraq. Japan has even sent troops there. But you rarely hear about that.

It's cultural lag. Many Europeans are unaware that individual European nations are not a major concern to most Americans. They don't go and pick presidential candidates based on what Belgium thinks any more than we're going to poll what Argentina thinks. But because Europeans believe their opinons should matter more to us than other nations, they chaffe at when someone like me points out that Americans don't care. Nor should they care. National governments are suppoed to do what is best for their own citizens. Not what's best for some minor nation state across the ocean.

It's not arrogance.  It's common sense. I wouldn't expect that someone in Belgium care what someone in Pakistan thinks of their leaders when voting. Despite the fact that Pakistan has a vastly higher population. Citizens in Belgium should only care what their leaders will do for them.  Same in France. 

BTW, do you think the French worry what we think of Chirac? Poll Americans and those who even know who he is are liekly to have a generally unfavorable opinion. But you rarely hear about Europeans worrying what Americans think. Many Europeans seem to demand that we listen to what they think of our leaders and take it to heart. But they seem to show no concern about what we think about their leaders. It's a one-way street.

We don't expect Europeans to care what we think when they vote for their leaders. Which is good because they've made it clear they don't care. Despite that, some Europeans expect us to care what they think of our leaders. And when someone points that we don't care, it's us that are called arrogant. Amazing.

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I think Americans accept that Europeans and everyone else has an opinion. The rest of the world also needs to accept that Americans will treat such comments with the importance they are due - very little.

Chirac only came to the United States because US tourism to France tanked. The difference between Americans and French, it seems, is that Americans care enough about these issues to make purchasing choices after it. France has felt the crunch.

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Reply To: Alex Becherer Post on Friday, April 02, 2004 wherein he said:
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Alex Becherer said on April 2nd, first of all: no, generally Americans should not care what Europeans think of your candidates for the presidency of your country..."but believe it or not, you need support from European (and a few other) countries on that war on terror you are on currently."
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A post on April 2nd- "no, generally Americans should not care what Europeans think of your candidates for the presidency of your country..."but believe it or not, you need support from European (and a few other) countries on that war on terror you are on currently."
If you truly believes in something, you forge ahead. As you move forward it is only wise to rally support. But if (a)the support doesn't come, or (b) if a type of support is pledged that only serves to undermine your purpose - then you hope you are strong enough to say "Now that I know where you stand, I'm better off without you" to both groups.America is strong enough.
In fact, to give in to the European mindset would weaken the strength of the U.S. of A. Lets not kid ourselves. Underpinning much of the USA vs EU around this issue is the strength of the Euro vs US Dollar. EU is saying to the US, it is high time we get what you have had regarding the economic foundations of the world. The US attitude is that we are not just going to say to you or anyone else, "You know, we have been powerful for too long - here who wants some of our strength, we don't need it any more."

That is just the way it is - in all of its unsavory aspects.