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HERE'S THE PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS

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HERE'S THE PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS

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Some of our scientific minds are actually asking the religious of the world to dismiss their God and their faith for the theory of evolution. The price for failing to agree with them is the label of being called ignorant. Shouldn't a Christian be able to offer concrete evidence that God exists?

Long ago, I came to the conclusion that there were only two possibilities--special creation or evolution. I realized that the two subjects must be studied together. Though some creationists do try to reconcile the account in Genesis 1 and evolution, they simply aren’t compatible.

CREATION IS THE PROOF OF GOD. The creation around you does provide scientific proof of its Creator. The evolutionists attempt to explain a creation with no Creator. Yet, they offer only unproven theories. When offering their speculations, they suppose, hypothesize and guess.

Radium only exists for a set period of time. Yet, radium and other elements still exist. Therefore, scientifically we know that there was a time when there was no matter. That means there was a time when matter came into existence. If, then, we know that they in fact disintegrate over time, then we know that there must have been a higher power or super powerful Being of some kind that brought these elements into being.

Something or someone brought matter into being. The law of bio-genesis states that life can only come from life. This law also states that living things can only produce more living things. Horses don’t give birth to elephants. There are no exceptions to this rule. No fact of science stands more conclusively proved today.

Knowing that life only comes from life, you cannot account for life without a Life-giver! This scientific law requires a living Creator! Now we know two things: that something had to have created matter, and something had to have created life.

There is nothing in the physical universe superior to the human mind. Man's intelligence and power of invention will always be superior to that which he creates. Evolutionists are asking us to believe--that something less intelligent and less sophisticated than man, produced man! That simply is not logical.

Alternatively, consider that the presence of the human mind is proof of a mind superior to our own--proof of a supremely intelligent being of some sort. Is it rational, then, to believe that any power or force lacking even human intelligence could have planned, designed, created, formed, fashioned, shaped, put together and set in motion the awesome universe we behold? Some superior being, then, stands revealed as the SUPREME INTELLIGENCE and ARCHITECT OF THE UNIVERSE!

Despite the proofs presented here, many will still deny the existence of God. It surely takes a tremendous amount of faith to believe that the entire physical universe sprang from nothing, that life came from non-life, that intelligence came from non-intelligence, and that the intricacy we see around us is not intricate at all--but random. I guess everyone has a right to their own view on any matter, but the existence of God is obvious to me.
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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
"After all how many worlds have you personally seen where the proper circumstances did not occur?"

And you, have you seen one?
Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
HERE'S THE PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS

By: Marvin Cooley
Posted: Friday, March 26, 2004 on Articles about these End Times
Message Board: Religion

Reply #24 By: Marvin Cooley - 4/2/2004 5:29:56 PM
I will simply say................... The existence of a very complex universe and more complex life on earth speaks for itself
I am in no way trying to belittle anyone's opinion.........just stating the facts.
Where??? Where, where, where is the "proof" and where are the facts??? All you have said is that because life exists it must have been created, which is your opinion, not a fact, and certainly not proof of anything - except your opinion. Oh, and you've also said this:
When you people acquire enough knowledge and experience in life, you will draw the same conclusion.
- but when you were asked directly for suggested reading, you had nothing to offer. Clearly you can neither proove or disproove the existence of God; and I can only conclude, especially in light of your weak arguments, that this article was created with the sole intention of ruffling people's feathers.
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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top

I can only conclude, especially in light of your weak arguments, that this article was created with the sole intention of ruffling people's feathers


hahahaaha ya think?

Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top

She don't know Marvin


he da man!

Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top
Proof that GOD exists?

I think the best proof is infinity.
Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top
I have only one thing more to say...

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top
So who made 'god' ? Did someone give 'god' life too? If nothing gave 'god' life then it's also fair to say that sometimes you don't need life to give life which contradicts your position.


I do not believe in a Christian god, but this is a misinterpretation. 'god' is not a person. Jesus was 'god' in human form. So, 'god' could simply be an energy or something to that matter. Nothing would have had to create 'god' because it was not human or even in any solid form. In the bible you would see that 'god' is always a light or something to that effect. But anyway, thats it.
Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top
I know one thing and one thing only - if I keep on trying to call someone on the phone and all I ever get is a "this line has been disconnected" message, I'm gonna' stop calling.

I don't want a proof for the existence of God or for his non-existence for that matter. I want to know why bad things happen to good people and bringing an omnipotent being into the equation who could change it all in a snap of its fingers, but doesn't, only infuriates the hell out of me.
Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top
This is what I believe.......there is a God.
Evolution is a fact.
God created the universe, then started the process we call evolution.

"Let there be light".....and there was the Big Bang. The emptiness we now call the universe filled with matter, and God waved his hand and, from that matter, shaped the stars, which formed the planets, and eventually the galaxies......and so on.

Life and the universe as a whole, as we know it, is too complex, in my mind, to have just randomly happened, evolving by chance into exactly what it needs to survive in its given environment. This requires an intelligence that knows what a given lifeform is going to need, and gives whatever that may be to it as it evolves.
How else do you explain the way a newborn knows, by pure instinct, to go directly to it's mother's breast for nourishment? A newborn has utterly no knowledge; its mind is a void, but it knows this.....because God told it so.

God plays dice; He puts life where He wants it, then waits to see what happens. From time to time, when He decides that it's warranted, He takes a more direct hand in life, in the form of various things which we call "miracles". But all around us are miracles, because God created everything from nothing.....He then let it go along its own paths, and watches where it goes.

In a small nutshell, and not too well put, that's what I believe.
Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top
Knowing that life only comes from life, you cannot account for life without a Life-giver! This scientific law requires a living Creator! Now we know two things: that something had to have created matter, and something had to have created life.


quote]When you see a building you know that there was a builder. Why is it that when you look around you cant believe there was a creator?

If this is true, who created God?
Reply #62 from JoeUser Forums Top
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If this is true, who created God?---latour999 Questions like this have no meaning. God simply is, and always has been. There is no "direct" evidence of God...those of us who believe don't need any. That's why we proudly call it "faith". In the bible you would see that 'god' is always a light or something to that effect. But anyway, thats it. ---SameOldRat

Not to get too "Star Trekky", but Is it possible that God is so far beyond what we understand that He can't even actually be perceived by our senses (constrained as they are by the physics of our reality)? Maybe He's simply interpereted by our puny brains as "light" or "energy"? Perhaps God is nothing more than pure intellect. Or pure love.

bringing an omnipotent being into the equation who could change it all in a snap of its fingers, but doesn't, only infuriates the hell out of me.[/quote]---notsohighlyevolved

What you have to remember is that God has the big picture, and we don't. Maybe He lets bad things happen to prevent something worse from occuring down the road, or to change something that requires changing.
All we see are the immediate effects of a drunk driver killing a carload of kids; but, perhaps it's this one event that at last causes changes to be made in the laws of man to prevent such things. Seat belt laws are passed and enforced, saving untold millions more lives.

Six million Jews are murdered by the Nazis simply in the name racial predjudice; why? How could God let this happen?
After the Holocaust became public knowledge, we began to question our own official policies of segregation and racism; other nations began to look down on long-standing anti-semitic practices and predjudices. It took the deaths of six million innocent men, women and children to finally, after how many centuries, make mankind look with proper revulsion on established ideals of racism and predjudice. The Civil Rights movement started in earnest; laws began to be changed as we thought about just how similar our treatment of blacks was to the treatment of Jews in Germany. Who wanted that?
Six million were sacrificed to free how many millions more? And changes in laws and mindsets would ensure that future generations would be better off than all the previous ones.
If God just "snapped his fingers" and made it all better, would we learn anything from it?
It doesn't work that way....God made us; the rest is up to us.
Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top
What happened there? That post came out weird.
Reply #64 from JoeUser Forums Top
If this is true, who created God?---latour999 Questions like this have no meaning. God simply is, and always has been. There is no "direct" evidence of God...those of us who believe don't need any. That's why we proudly call it "faith". In the bible you would see that 'god' is always a light or something to that effect. But anyway, thats it.


Maybe I'm getting a bit more philisophical than religious here, but I question when people say "Everything needs a creator, you don't see a watch without a watchmaker," then when questioned about who created God, say "God doesn't need a creator," which seems to contradict what they said as a golden rule 5 seconds ago. But then I'm told that my guestions are meaningless.
Reply #65 from JoeUser Forums Top
I said that "this question has no meaning". Not your questions in general.
For Christians (and any religion which accepts the existence of an omnipotent Creator, the fact of that existence simply IS. As I said, that's why we call it "faith". Belief in something yuo can't see or prove. Try it sometime.

Webster's Concise English Dictionary:

Faith: 1.belief, esp. in God. 2. trust, confidence. 3.religion. 4. one's word of honor.

This is Webster's definition of faith, as pertaining to this thread. Belief. It's as simple as that.

Come to think of it, and this is just an aside, the Left seems to fail on most of those definitions.
Reply #66 from JoeUser Forums Top

And you, have you seen one?


Yes, 8 as a matter of fact.  They circle the sun.  Two closer in, 6 further out.


Cheers

Reply #67 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm going to have to agree with imajinit on this one. Well, sort of. I'm not religious anymore, but when I was, I always believed in evolution. I don't see why there's a problem with the theory that God created evolution. That means God is still the creator, but he does it through a scientifically proven process that is necessary for biology to make sense.

Marvin, I don't think the entire public school system is trying to brainwash little children into believing in evolution. I find that hard to believe when so many people in America believe in creation. Schools can teach creation as an alternative belief in theology classes, but in science they teach evolution because it is the current philosophy that makes sense with all of the facts, just like they teach us that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

Evolution to a certain extent is proven. Humans didn't used to exist, remember? We evolved from primates. The only question is when evolution began and what caused it to begin. God? The Big Bang? God causing the Big Bang? Those theories may never be proven, but neither can creation, and the Big Bang theory is much more scientifically feasible.

And by the way, I don't think that you can ever prove that God exists, or that he doesn't. Otherwise everyone would believe.