Not every unplanned or unwanted pregnancy that come to term is a "consequence". I'm certain some women come to love and be glad that had the child. So your 100% consequence figure is wrong. VES
A man who engages in sexual activity, suffers no consequences, at all. So, if abortion is not an option you punish the woman, in every case, while the man is not punished at all. As much as I want to stay out of this, this one I can't pass up. Child support. Jail. Those aren't consequences?
I have made my point about how pointless and redundant this conversation is, so I again will leave to those who wish to continue.
Understanding includes the use of non-inflamatory terms when discussing the issue. As to who I will or won't convince, I'll take my chances. Then you should understand how inflammatory the IDEA of abortion is to some people. You are concerned with mere wor
You should never base your opinions on assumptions. I apologize for making an erroneous assumption about your beliefs. However, I think that there are many behaviors, to include abortion for convenience, which SHOULD be judged as wrong. If we never judge behavior, we have chaos. Anyone can be free to
hope I am a little clearer now Yes, clearer. Although I could argue that you mistated yourself, not that I misunderstood what you said. But the fact remains, news services still spend ver
Ok I will make it simpler vern since WE DONT ALL SHARE THE SAME RELIGIOUS BELIEFS than why should one belief try and impose its ideals on another? Even if your ideals have no religious basis, you shouldn't impose them on anyone else either. That includes all ideologies regardless of what they are. You believe it is murder, others
Actually, yes it does, you say that abortion magically solves all the problems of being raped, and it doesn't, the mother is still punished for being raped by having to go through the physical changes and dangers that go with pregnancy. I didn't say it magically did anything. I said it was another opti
Birth is not a fool proof option. It's possible for a mother to die even in a healthy baby. It's also possible for the child to die. Perhaps if a man were capable of going through labor he would, in general, be less likely to say no choice. Which changes nothing I said.
Stating something as an opinion is a good idea especially for a news service, Personally I prefer to see the news report facts, and let me form my own opinion. Reporting an opinion as fact, and reporting actual facts are two different things. Save the opin
To expound on my reply #35, you know why this particular issue is so pointless to discuss? Because everyone seems to forget the ground that was covered the last time it came up. For instance, Jeb, I know you to be reasonable intelligent and probably have a good memory. But in reply #36 you say: <TABLE cellpadding=8 width="95%" align=center bg
I wouldn't care if they legalized all substances for consumption. If someone wants to eat, smoke or shoot something, I could care less. It would kill a large aspect of street violence, prevent losers for making "mad" money, and weed out some folks. I'm all for regulating CONDUCT instead of CONSUMPTION. You get high/stoned/whacked or whatever, then you better behave while doing it, including not driving. Likewise, if you have a drug problem
VES: I think you’re missing the point here. I don’t mean to sound condescending, but there is no black/white OR shades of grey realm. The points in between black and white are grey, e.g. most things exists between the absolutes. I know that I’m stating the obvious, but you are construct
This is not a criticism of you or your writing per se, merely an observation and a couple questions. I will say that you speak well for yourself, albeit a little cliche at times. Is this blog your absolute belief? Do you have it figured out that nuances exist and there is no black and white? That, to me, is the interesting thing about beliefs. Each person has a totality of beliefs whe
Kerry is the alternative obviously A person is not an alternative. A plan of action is an alternative. How would you negotiate with someone who doesn't care what you say? How would you barter with someone who will strap a bomb on their body and blow themselves up so they can go to heaven and have pl
I'm for Bush because of his stand on abortion.
This is my last post on this matter, in this thread . I base this on a part of what Rehnquist said in his dissenting opinion. I again expect it to meet with great resistance by my opponents, but it is an alternative, even perhaps a compromise, to our disagreement. Rehnquist mentions, "I agree with the statement of MR. JUSTICE STEWART in his concurr
As an interesting aside, I think it's interesting to read Rehnquist's dissenting opinion regarding Roe V. Wade. http://www.tourolaw.edu/patch/Roe/Rehnquist.html His opinion indicates that the majority opinion took a couple departures from the normal standards used in deciding a case, as well as the remedy. As it is now, Roe v. Wade stands, and like all the decisions of the cou
You're just reciting the anthem of someone who doesn't want to hear someone challenge his opinion. No, I just don't want to hear YOUR opinion. I have been one of what, two people, who has continued through this thread on the side against abortion. I have r
What does this mean? Did someone delete your post? If so, please repost it--while we have differing opinions, I do appreciate your point of view and like to hear what you have to say. I made a comment about something that I misread. When I realized my error, I deleted the post.
you cited statistics about what people think Yes, but I cited statistics about what "The" people think when they were polled about why they had abortions. I cited statistics that were compiled from medical records and reports. Yes, I'm fully aware that statistics can be mismanaged, deliberately slante
No MATTER WHAT YOU THINK OR DO, you will NOT change my opinion Yes, I suspected that as the discussion went on. This is not a revelation. I don't see any comment on thi
vernmeister2u, i would like to call into doubt some of your statistics They are not MY stats, I sourced them for that reason. You can call whatever you like into doubt, but it helps to provide an alternative study rather than just what you think. VES
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How does that person know what I'm going into that clinic for anyway? What about those clinics that also offer pre-natal care? I've seen pregnant women, who aren't having an abortion, being harassed by those "pro-life" people. It's not right to force your views and beliefs on someone else. And I'm the
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