[quote who="goldmull" reply="14" id="2210704"] honestly...you're pointing out that a good tower rook Erebus can cause severe problems on crucible...well, isn't that obvious. i guess a good "anyone" can cause severe problems anywhere. and a good "anyone" will also know how to counter the "good tower rook Erebus".[/quote]Thank you for making my point. What boggles my mind about thi
[quote who="TheGuildfordStrangler" reply="2" id="2210870"]The funny thing about mist is that all it takes to beat it is a halfway smart player on the opposite end. It'll be great for the creeps, but not much else. Oh, and you'll do great against hammer slam and venom spit... I guess..[/quote]On certain maps, it can be a devasting harrassing skill. By 'camping' the enemy portal, you can send a steady stream of nightwalkers at their towers and base. There's a lengthy thread on the b
If you want evidence of balance, look at the spread on the pantheon page - no demigod has higher than a 53% win/loss ratio. That's pretty well balanced. Certain demigods are unquestionably better at certain tasks - UB isn't going to hold a lane as well as Rook, and Rook isn't going to hunt demigods as well as UB - but every demigod offers something valuable to their team, and no demigod is so essential that their absence will result in a garunteed loss.
[quote who="goldmull" reply="12" id="2210139"] starting with oak: he has to die for it, so i guess that's why it can be considered balanced[/quote]It's a virtually unstoppable method of winning a game mode. I'd think that would be substantially more dangerous to the ephemeral concept of 'balance' than a replicable mobility advantage on one or two maps. [quote]regulus: you can adapt to three of them and the way they are playing, they're easily beaten, there's nothing imba
After extensive testing, I have determined all the sources that can increase the HP or damage of Rooks towers. They are listed below: Skill points That's it. They do not receive bonuses from citadel upgrades. They do not receive bonuses from +minion effects or any other item properties. They do not receive bonuses from the tower strength setting during level creation. At level 10, with four poin
[quote who="Aroddo" reply="10" id="2208667"]Killing tower rook is not that hard, even if he has a couple of towers nearby. * Wait for reinforcements. If you're a general, you already got them. Otherwise wait until the creeps come so they soak up the damage.[/quote]This works suprisingly well. Unlike a general, Rook has no way to command his passive damage - towers and shoulder upgrades - to target a specific target. His damage can therefore be spread out, especially if
[quote who="goldmull" reply="9" id="2209002"]no other skill in gives such an advantage for the game as bat swarm on crucible[/quote]...really? The added mobility is nice, but... How about Oak using Last Stand to kamikaze down fortresses or even citadels, or a trio of Regulus's sniping the citadel from the other side of a map, or a Tower Rook blockading a portal flag (or the only creep path on Crucible - they're potentially harder to deal with on Crucible than Erebus could dream of
Yah, mist is a lot of fun. It can also be used for a particularly twisted strategy that I detailed a week or two ago. Pile on enough mana regen, and you can mist permanently. Although mist can't directly damage structures, it can effectively shut down an enemy portal, providing you with an endless stream of nightwalkers with which to attack their base.
[quote who="Miyamiya" reply="9" id="2208346"]Blood of the fallen is an amazing item mostly for the reason darvin has already point out. Consider the following players right out of the starting gate: 1. 1600 health, 25 percent more run speed 2. 2800 health, 10 regen. Thats nearly double the health. [/quote]Right. Assuming roughly equal skill and power, the first player will be using that 25% extra run speed to flee for his crystal, while the sec
[quote who="Darvin3" reply="5" id="2208337"]The first gold upgrade is pretty well a must-get. It's absolutely phenominal and if you can't afford it because you're being pushed too hard chances are you're going to lose anyways. After that, they're usually not worth it.[/quote]Make that "After that, they're definitely not worth it." They're not cumulative - the second and third upgrade only give a 2 GPM bonus. Given that they're aquired later in the game
[quote who="Axyun" reply="2" id="2208316"]My experience online is very limited so I can't personally vouch for or against buying the gold upgrade. I did, however, see a previous poster do the math and the conclusion was that Rank 1 gold upgrade pays for itself after 7.5 minutes divided by the number of Demigod allies in the map. If the game lasts longer than that after the purchase, then it was money well spent. Obviously, the longer the game, the more worthwhile your investment becomes.[/quo
Question: does Tribute boost allied demigods income as well, or just the character who takes it?
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[quote who="SThaler" reply="6" id="2207257"] Quoting Zygwen, reply 5Amulet of Teleportation will trigger the cool down for the scroll but the scroll cools down in 30 seconds instead of 45 so it can be used before the Amulet is ready again. Exactly! So you can't teleport any more often than with just scrolls. (Unlike what the other guy claimed)[/quote]Yah, that aparently got changed in a recent patch. Sorry for the misinformation.
You're way off on Cloak of Night - the cheapest other item that offers Warp is the Warpstone, which is 5500g and offers no other bonuses. Furthermore, I think you might want to consider that the items that boost base mana regen - Cloak of Night and Essence of Magic - also drastically boost the effectiveness of +% Mana Regen items that you can get later in the game. Without the Cloak of Night, it's substantially more difficult for Erebus to reach the 125 MP/s needed for infinite mi
[quote who="transitive" reply="4" id="2206765"]If your build can't function on HALF the gold income you're normally used to than you need to try something different. [/quote]Actually, I find that I have more gold in multiplayer than I did in singleplayer. ...oh, right. That'd be because in multiplayer, other players occassionally will buy citadel upgrades. On that note: If you're allergic to the citadel, go back to DOTA.
[quote who="Darvin3" reply="21" id="2206808"]Once again, I have to ask what items you guys are using to teleport. The warpstone and cloak of elvenkind lack the range to get over that gap, so other demigods (even if you can shell out thousands of gold for these items) cannot duplicate what Erebus can do. Erebus' skill is also invaluable for getting in and out of battle, since he is no longer bounded by the normal choke points of the map, enabling him to circumvent enemy lines and s
[quote who="SolaceAvatar" reply="1" id="2206532"]Also, sufficiently small maps where it only takes a few seconds to walk to the mana crystal, probably you should take other items~ Also, if you're a support class (regulus, qot), and you drain mp faster than hp, then also maybe take mp items instead.[/quote]Thanks, yeah, I meant to mention that. Prison and Crucible are small enough that you can easily do without the HoL, especially on a fast character. Also, on Crucible, if you're
[quote who="duende295" reply="17" id="2206449"] Just make those gaps impassable? Duh. And are you talking about Warpstone (5500g), Cloak of Elfinkind (12000g) and Cloak of Night (2000 favor, gen only)? Yeah, totally friggin fair.[/quote]Skill points are also a limited resource. When I was toying with my mist/minion-erebus, who was focused on shutting down the enemy portal by permanently misting over it (stacking massive amounts of mana regen), I found that the Cloak of Night was a
Heart of Life is, without a question, one of the most generally useful artifacts in the game. It is effectively a portable crystal. For 4250 gold, is will almost completely refill the HP and Mana of most characters in a few seconds out of combat. There's continued debate one whether it is unbalanced, and I strongly suspect it will be nerfed in a future patch. Nice as it is, though, it's not a universal necessity. For some play-styles and demigod builds, it's no
I've been playing a Tower Rook, recently, and focusing on defense. my first purchase is the Scaled Helm, which usually solves most of my mana issues, and then I'll start stacking armors - Nimoth's first, for the unbeatable gold-to-defense ratio it packs, and then I like to get Armor of Vengeance to punish my attackers. What I buy next depends on the map and oponents. Groffling is really good against fast attack speed oponents - Regulus, UB, and Rook (whose towers aparently c
[quote who="goldmull" reply="14" id="2205921"] ant that is exactly where i would call it an exploit. the fact that erebus is able to do that just guarantees a win for his team. there is no way the other team could stop him from doing it. it's simply unfair and i don't think that the developers intended that.[/quote]Damn Erebus! Only he can teleport across those gaps! No one but him can buy one of the two items that grant teleport, or by use the generals teleport favor item!</
I've done several games of single player using a build quite similar to this one, and I just tried my first game of multiplayer using it. The results were.. Pretty sweet. It was a 10k Cataract dominate game, 3v3, and I wound up carrying my team to victory - I came in first in the results by almost every metric (first for kills, damage, deaths, second for buildings and flags), while my teammates came in last by most metrics. I claimed a lane, and I took it. The en
One piece of advice: You mention that Rook's tower of light has longer range than his vision. This is only true is you don't spring for 50g for a Totem of Revelation. The Totem gives a passive +5 bonus to vision, which is a real bargain for the cost.
Does said damage buffer negate damage before or after armor is calculated in?
[quote who="Aroddo" reply="3" id="2201915"] Quoting Kalil Chernov, reply 2Also might want to mention that not only to TP scrolls have a faster cooldown, they also have a /seperate/ cooldown, meaning you can teleport home or to assist an ally, and instantly teleport back to your tower farm. Unless they changed it in the new version that statement is wrong. When you use the amulet you get a 45 second cooldown and your scroll gets a 30 second cooldown at the same time.