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Religion of peace? Yeah, right.

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Religion of peace? Yeah, right.

from JoeUser Forums

There was a protest in west London yesterday.  Muslims were out in force, protesting the publication of the cartoon they found so offensive.

One man came dressed as a suicide bomber:

He had stuffed the pockets of his vest to simulate them being filled with explosives.  He wasn't arrested, and rightly so.  People have a right to protest.

As usual with a protest, people came carrying placards with slogans written on them:

I think that one should remove some doubts as to what the Islamic militia's intention is, shouldn't it?  I mean, they're not exactly being shy about what they want.  They don't like the western culture, and they think that their 'religion of peace' (excuse me while I laugh hysterically) is the answer.

funnily enough, none of the muslim protestors got arrested.  They were simply exercising their right to protest, afterall. 

However, some white people turned up, and one them DID get arrested.  Was it a skinhead, creating aggro in the crowd?  Nope.  A sullen youth, attacking the marching Muslims?  Nope.  An older man, angry at the protestor's right to march in 'HIS' country?  Wrong again.

It was this man:

His crime?  He was standing on the street, handing out copies of the cartoons the Muslims were so bent out of shape about.  He was suspected of trying to provoke muslims, and was hauled off the street, cuffed, and taking into custody.

So, if he was suspected of trying to provoke muslims, what the hell were the muslims and their suicide bomber and anti-western banners guilty of? Why were their rights to protest acknowledged, but that man's right to protest ignored?

The time has come to stop handling these people with kid gloves.  We have to stop worring about their feelings and how our actions will be seen by them.  Let them be offended; people get offended all the time.  Make them deal with it the way the rest of the world has to. 

It's time to stop pandering to them.  If they want to attack us, let them.  Let them get mad and wage war. Let them take on western culture and it's countries.  Let them see that we WILL NOT be dictated to, that we are done being sensitive to people who's sole objective is to have us all bowing before allah 5 times a day.  Let them bring it on.

Bring it on.  I'm ready.

 

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
well, for the most part i agree with both of your last comments.

there's also something great about this line: "if a couple hundred heavily armed fanatical Islamists were marching down the main road towards YOUR home, would you hesitate for a second to band forces with those people you currently 'do battle' with on ideological, religious, racial, or political issues? HELL NO. LoL, as a matter of fact, it would be one time I'd be glad that I live in the part of town that I do, these niggaz here are SERIOUSLY armed."

for me, this gets right to the point. would i hesitate? uh-uh, not unless i peed myself. hopefully even if i peed myself.

the problem, is that our radical enemies right now are the you-ses and me-ses from a hundred years ago. im not trying to open old grudges: but their hoods haven't been "theirs" for a long time. it's not just whitey who's parking his caddie in their garage--everyone's parking shizz all over their prime spots.

like baker says, they don't have the capacity to wage any other kind of war--we could speculate that oil might be a negotiating tactic, but that's not going to do anything for the radicals who want their lives back.

and as for the rest of islam's nation, what are they supposed to do? if we can't nail the terrorist bastards, what are the hated muslims scattered across the world going to do? of all the lousy positions to be in--you're a citizen somewhere, non-violent, escaped a life you saw to be filled with terror and repression or following an exile set by shifting political alliances you could never have done anything about in the first place.

and now everyone thinks you're the guy who drove a mailtruck into the public school playground with explosives tied to your back. never mind that the mailtruck guy is dead, never mind that you have lived peacefully and met the obligations of your religion as you saw fit.

and it is YOU the world is humiliating. the world is bringing you down; not the extremists.

taboo
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
Aaaaaawwwwwwmmmm. I'm burnin Dharma's embassy.


Can I bring the torches?
Siege of Centauri
Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
so what? so nothing. it's a response to comments like these:

"Islam seems to be a faith built on hatred, vindictiveness and intolerance, no matter what the apologists on the left have to say . . . The vast majority, the "good" Muslims, the "peaceful" Muslims, sit in seemingly approving silence as these mutant, "fringe" Islamic fundamentalists do what they do. This indicts the whole faith, in my mind. "

and then the comment it generated:

"'This indicts the whole faith, in my mind.'
Mine too. I used to think that silence was acceptable, but in the light of the atrocities that have been done in the name of allah *spits* (that's to show union with LW) I've changed my mind. It's time to stand up and be counted. Either condemn and stand against, or be considered part of the problem."

are the silent innocent, no, but it seems to me that comments such as those listed above require a response.

and another comment: "And the Muslims around the world have the power to overcome that stereotype. Instead, they choose to applaud terror and protest cartoons. Let the stricken deer go weep, they've made themselves a nasty bed to lie in."

and the last: "The 'Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer' slogan reaffirms what critics of Islam have said for years: that their goal is a worldwide caliphate where sharia is the basis of all law."

is that what has been reaffirmed? there's plenty of logical fallacies here to go around. so what?

so nothing. let's suppose that we agree that terrorism is bad. fine. but before we hang the religion we're going to have to think things through more clearly than this.

if you can't hang christianity for its misfits, and you can't hang judaism for its misfits, then you can't hang the nation of islam for a small handful of muslims who are pissed enough that their lands, their traditions, and their religious beliefs themselves have been completely subsumed by imperialism--pissed enough to get stupid.

yes, go hang those guys--that's how we've always done it, and i expect we will continue to do things that way. but if there is a world of displaced muslims out there who have been treated like the enemy for being muslim--not for being a radical, not for stirring up the coals, and certainly not for bombing public transportation--but for identifying with their religion, then what do we expect?

we are silent in our "support" for islam's peaceful nation. when extemists get busy, we castrate the whole system of beliefs.

so nothing: it's a response. we agree that terrorists need to be brought down. but if silence implies guilt, then there's several posted responses here that need clarification.

taboo
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
are the silent innocent, no, but it seems to me that comments such as those listed above require a response.
---Taboo

How about this as a response:

Not so very long ago, 20 million Jews, gypsies and others were imprisoned and then slaughtered for simply existing. This, while the rest of the world sat back and said nothing, until the horrible excesses became apparent. By then, of course, it was much too late.
Those who say or do nothing in opposition are just as guilty as those who take the actions.

I agree with Baker; if they want us to respect their faith and accept that not all are complicit, in one way or another, in these excesses, then they need to speak up and have a few loud protests of their own.
They need to join the military and take arms against them.
So far, we haven't seen much of either.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
you forget that it wasn't just the germans who were silent, it was everyone, the whole world was silent.

and the whole world is still silent. yes, the extremists are terrorists. that is all. are you accountable for every--christian, jewish, fill in the blank with your faith, skin color, etc.--perversion that takes place under the umbrella of your own label?

perhaps. in fact, i would probably make exactly that argument within a different context. but in this case, those "silent" muslims are the victims--at least as much as we are, if not more. why are we silent? why don't we stand up for the muslims that truly represent their religion, living peacefully and pursuing the same opportunities as we are?

everyone is silent.

taboo