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Wal-Mart Good - So say 25,000

In what can only be a hilarious rebuke to the city of Chicago, Wal Mart is opening a store one block outside of the city limits after being denied the right to open one in the city.  Now all of us have been regaled with stories of how horrid and horrible Wal-Mart is, and how oppressive to their employees they are.  So in a city (just outside) with a reputation of Unionization like Chicago, one would think they would be stupid to build and operate a store.  The Pickets alone would be bad publicity.

But something strange happened on the way to the picket line.  25,000 (yes, 3 zeros) applied for the 325 jobs!  This far surpasses their old record when they built in Oakland of 11,000, or what a Wal-Mart spokesman called a successful opening of 3,000 applicants.  25,000!  And all but 500 listed Chicago as their home!

The Alderman (why does Chicago call their Council members aldermen?) that tried to get Wal-Mart in Chicago itself laments the fact that most of the shoppers are going to be coming from Chicago, but Chicago is not going to get any of the benefits.  Indeed, the little township that won the prize is expected to reap a bonus of $1 million in sales taxes a year from the store alone.  And they currently only get $3 million a year from all other sources!  A very hefty winfall!

Why Chicago rejected Wal Mart was not made clear in the article, but in reading some of the comments, it appears to be political infighting among the aldermen.  Only a couple are actually quoted.  But it does seem to be penny wise and pound foolish for all the alderman to have just chucked that much additional revenue out the door due to some petty internal squabbling.

And the 25,000 people eagerly looking for jobs?  I doubt they care what side of the street the store is located on.  They voted for Wal-Mart with their actions, and seem to be saying "Pays good, Benefits better".  And not "Bad Big Wally World".

So who gets hurt when you deny the market place?  The lesson here, is your Constituents.

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Reply #51 Top
I shop Wal-Mart rarely. Not because I have anything against them morally, but because they pissed me off once. So I avoid them if at all possible (and mostly it is possible - except for those stupid 15 popcorn tins my wife wanted to give away for Christmas!).


Oooooh, you better hope she doesn't see this.

I shop at walmart often, well actually, I live inside walmart. I can't help the fact that I can get almost everything I need in a single trip. But that's just me.
Reply #52 Top
Darn.
Reply #53 Top

Oooooh, you better hope she doesn't see this.

nah!  She knows where I got the popcorn tins.

Or do you mean the stupid part?

Reply #54 Top

Reply By: DJBanditPosted: Friday, January 27, 2006
Darn.

Dont sweat it. I took care of the  hiccups hiccups hiccups.

Reply #55 Top
Dont sweat it. I took care of the hiccups hiccups hiccups.


I get this server error and end up repeating the same thing over and over.

And yes I mean the stupid part. I don't know a woman who doesn't get mad when we think something they do is stupid. I know very few men who get mad when women think we do something stupid. I sure don't care. But this is way off topic. Or is it?
Reply #56 Top

And yes I mean the stupid part. I don't know a woman who doesn't get mad when we think something they do is stupid. I know very few men who get mad when women think we do something stupid. I sure don't care. But this is way off topic. Or is it?

She is not looking so I will say it is on topic.

{whack}

Sorry dear!

Reply #57 Top
sorry I caught the tail end of this one.

a)
Wal-Mart is not evil. 6 -9 dollars an hour is not great, but for what is required of you, its actually just fine. It is called an entry level job for that reason (although, personally I believe that an entry level job should actually allow for moving up rather than just allowing someone to stay at 8 an hour forever even though they work hard and are educated/go to school)

b)
wal-mart is not evil. small businesses will be swallowed whole and traditions lost. The main problem' people see with places like wal-mart, target, and fast food chains is that small business and imagination is what this country is built on. You want small businesses to thrive and be able to continue to be built. so its not really about economics, its about tradition and making sure small business can grow and exist for future market possibilities.
Reply #58 Top

sorry I caught the tail end of this one.

Never too late, and both points are well taken.  And right.

Reply #59 Top
I'm not a big Walmart basher, but it's fact that they don't pay much and the benefits are paltry. So why would employed people be standing in line to get a job there?


Have you checked what "minimum wage is lately? I don't think so. Here:


Minimum Wage Laws in the States - January 1, 2006

Illinois Minimum Wage Rates ILLINOIS Future
Effective
Date Basic
Minimum Rate
(per hour) Premium Pay After
Designated Hours 2
Daily Weekly
(Applicable to employers of 4 or more employees, excluding family members) $6.50 40



I think you'll find that $8 an hour is FAR more than $6.50 per. That is unless you flunked math.
Reply #60 Top

I think you'll find that $8 an hour is FAR more than $6.50 per. That is unless you flunked math.

Actually Wal-Mart is governed by Federal law, so it is 5.15 vs $8.  But in either case, it is a big chunk of change. Unless you want to be on welfare as some do.

Reply #61 Top
I think you'll find that $8 an hour is FAR more than $6.50 per. That is unless you flunked math.


Actually doc no it's not! Illinois is one of the "few" states where minimum wage is "more" than federal. So my comment stands @ 6.50 per. Link
Reply #62 Top
Only in the world of the left could 50% over minimum be considered "slightly better".
You sound as though you live in the third world.

if you want to keep receiving aid than a place where you KNOW you'll be rejected?
What a cynical statement!
Reply #63 Top
I believe that an entry level job should actually allow for moving up rather than just allowing someone to stay at 8 an hour forever
Aye, there's the rub despite Guy's estimation that it's a nice bit of cash.
Reply #64 Top
Heh, I wonder how much of this is genuine concern for employees and local retailers, and how much is pocket-lining the Daley syndicate by other retail chains...
Reply #65 Top
What a cynical statement!


You call it cynical, I call it factual. Unless I had a life history of repeatedly encountering statistical anomalies, there are a fair percentage of lower income unemployed and welfare recipients who do just that. Please remember, I've lived among the poor all of my life, and while these people are by no means among the majority even anecdotally, they're a substantial enough portion of the population to bear mentioning.

And, for the record, at WalMart, one does not "stay" at their entry level pay forever. Unless the manager is not doing his job properly, they will receive annual cost of living increases (of 3, 4, or 5%, depending on one's evaluation), as well as merit pay and the opportunity to apply for better positions as they become open. As a matter of fact, whenever WalMart is hiring management, it is clearly posted on the bulletin boards for all to see.

But the critics of WalMart won't tell you THAT.
Reply #66 Top
You sound as though you live in the third world.


No, if I lived in the Third World, even $5.15 an hour would make me pretty wealthy!
Reply #67 Top

Actually doc no it's not! Illinois is one of the "few" states where minimum wage is "more" than federal. So my comment stands @ 6.50 per. Link

Ok, it took some looking (it looked like you were debating yourself).  IN any event, even taking your figure, that is a 23% increase, and no one would say a 23% increase was nothing!

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You sound as though you live in the third world.

How is a 50% increase sounding like living in a third world?  It clearly is much better.  I started out making $1.65/hr.  My First raise (indeed no raise) has been 50% since then.

Reply #69 Top

Aye, there's the rub despite Guy's estimation that it's a nice bit of cash.

No rub.  Many of the Wal Mart Managers started out on the line.  But then many of the Wal Mart Cashiers do not want to put in the time and effort to move up.  They are content with their salary and work.

Reply #70 Top

Heh, I wonder how much of this is genuine concern for employees and local retailers, and how much is pocket-lining the Daley syndicate by other retail chains...

If so, those other retailers just got the shaft.

Reply #71 Top

And, for the record, at WalMart, one does not "stay" at their entry level pay forever. Unless the manager is not doing his job properly, they will receive annual cost of living increases (of 3, 4, or 5%, depending on one's evaluation), as well as merit pay and the opportunity to apply for better positions as they become open. As a matter of fact, whenever WalMart is hiring management, it is clearly posted on the bulletin boards for all to see.

This is true of all Retailers.  Yet what they opponents (read: Unions) do not tell you is that once the Union gets in, there are no more promotions.  Offering a promotion would be akin to offering a bribe, so the stores avoid it like the plague.

Reply #72 Top

No, if I lived in the Third World, even $5.15 an hour would make me pretty wealthy!

Especially when a buck a day is the norm - often with no social safety net either.

Reply #73 Top
Especially when a buck a day is the norm - often with no social safety net either.


Yup...20% of the world lives on a buck a day or less. Considering that minimum wage is about 40 TIMES that standard, I'd say we've moved in the right direction.
Reply #74 Top
With all the conjecture regarding pay at WalMart one category of employee is over looked by the nay sayers...the Walmart Greeter. Avearge is 70 years+ and many are handicapped in one fashion or another yet want to be valued and work.

In my book, anybody that shows respect and appreciation for our elderly by giving them jobs, gets my vote as a worthy contributor in our society. To add, WalMart was the "1st" in New Orleans to over come all obstacles to open some stores and insure shelves were stocked for everybody.
Reply #75 Top

With all the conjecture regarding pay at WalMart one category of employee is over looked by the nay sayers...the Walmart Greeter. Avearge is 70 years+ and many are handicapped in one fashion or another yet want to be valued and work.

Only 20 years to go before I am a Greeter!  I cant see not going to work at least some days a week!

Good point.