THE OBSERVANCE OF LENT IS NOT CHRISTIAN

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Did you ever do any research about where Lent came from? At the time of Jesus Christ and the apostles, no one had ever kept Lent--the 40 days of abstinence preceding Easter. Modern scholars are unanimous in in their conclusion that Lent was never observed by the early Church. The scholars have found that Irenaeus at about 190 A.D. knew nothing of any Easter fast of 40 days.

Where did Lent come from? It certainly was not ordained by Jesus Christ. Much like Easter, it has pagan origins. It was borrowed from the worshipers of the Babylonian goddess, Eastre. The Lent of 40 days, in the spring of the year, is still observed by the Yezidis or pagan devil worshipers of Kurdistan, who have inherited it from their early masters, the Babylonians. The 40-days period was also observed anciently in Egypt--hardly the Christian roots most would expect.

So, like Easter, Lent is nothing more than a modern day Christian tradition which dates way back to ancient Babylon. Most Christians would be amazed to learn this.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
What the hell are you saying?  Of course there was no lent when Jesus was alive because there was no Easter until he died!
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Many Christian traditions are based on pagan traditions. The date of Christmas coincides with a pagan holiday as well. 40-days has general significance in Biblical texts as a period of cleansing or spiritual exploration: Moses' 40 days on Mt. Sinai, Jesus 40 days in the desert, etc. This is the tradition the church leader's were adopting. 40 days is a symbolic period of time, with its symbolicism long pre-dating Jesus.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Many Christian traditions are a load of old bollocks to use an English phrase. As i said i another thread if a "God" created the world then why would he care if someone stopped eating or drinking something for 40 days. If he does care about that then I say that God is an idiot and he has his priorities wrong because he should be concentrating his efforts on solving some of the worlds problems and not worrying whether someone drank coffee today for example.

What do you have to say to this Marvin?
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
"THE OBSERVANCE OF LENT IS NOT CHRISTIAN"


Lots of Christians observe Lent... so you can't really say that. There are untold numbers of practices in modern Christianity that weren't ordained by Jesus. Is Confession Christian to you? None of your practices originated from the founders of the church, post-crucifixion? I think most modern Christians realize much of what we do is social custom. I doubt a modern Christian service looks anything remotely like one in the years following Jesus's crucifixion. Does that bother me? Nope.

P.S. You need to look up "Yezidis", they weren't worshipers of satan. I figure you already know this, and it is just a way to re-categorize them just like you recategorize other people's practices as 'not Christian'.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
In writing about Lent, I was not trying to down anyone's beliefs. I was just pointing out some historical facts.

Since Christ was the founder of Christianity, I would think that his example of how Christian's should live and what observances they should have, would be dictated by Christ's life. According to the bible, Jesus was the supreme example of how we are to behave.

It is also interesting to note that the book of revealation says that over many centuries leading up to the end of the world, Christianity would go far astray from the original early church teachings. It appears the so-called Christian world has indeed done that.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think it is Fantastic you have pointed this out Marvin! I was born and raised Catholic, and WOULDN'T DARE eat meat on Friday or Ash Wednesday! However, the almighty and holy pope does grant exclusion if St. Patrick's Day falls on Friday.....so eat your meat and get dog gone drunk because the pope says it's ok! What a joke! And many of my fellow catholics are giving up "soda pop" or "potatoe chips" or "chocolate" for lent, because that is a sacrifice that our Lord Jesus will surely look at come judgement day!
I have left my catholic upbringing and ventured into a church based on Christ's teaching and basically loving HIM, not a ritual adopted long long ago by who knows who or why. I enjoy my steak on Fridays and try to enrich my spiritual life in more meaningful ways then sacrifising junk food.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Lent may not have Christian origins, but fasting has been practiced by the church since Christ's ascension.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Lent may not have Christian origins, but fasting has been practiced by the church since Christ's ascension
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...right, and I think we can all agree on that. but not all fasting is part of lent, yet lent is all fasting..lol sorry don't really mean to be teasing you Sherye, but that seemed kind of random.

Marvin-- I have heard quite a bit of this subject, and I think it's important to be in the know about what it is we do, and why we do it. Why the heck on Easter do we think of Bunny rabbits and eggs? Much less bunnies laying eggs? Does the name of the holiday Christmas really come from Christ-mass or... as you have said? I haven't done enough of my own personal in depth studies of the various pagan traditions to know all of the claims to be true--though I suspect they are. I have even heard some interesting things about St. Patricks day, a seemingly harmless holiday, but the roots of it are a bit disturbing.

There is a lot to say about religious organizations in ingeneral today, I even wonder why a Catholic would call himself a Christian? Doesn't Christian mean "Christ within" ? Is that what Catholics believe?

I like to ask questions
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
This could help. It is a link to a site that lists most of the religious beliefs that fall under the umbrella definition of "Christianity". Notice that Roman Catholicism is only one.

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/christian/blfaq_group_index.htm

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Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
Of course you don't have to keep fast on St. Patrick's Day. It is after all the feast of St. Patrick...
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
The other day I was cleaning out my dryer. It was my observance of lint.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Of course you don't have to keep fast on St. Patrick's Day. It is after all the feast of St. Patrick...


Plus it's best not to drink on an empty stomach.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
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Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Nice article, it was a very interesting read. As a once-christian, it's very interesting to find out that one of the most "practiced" traditions in the church didn't originate with Jesus (which is what they would have us believe).
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
It is amazing people are naive over discovering discrepancies inside their own religion. And mostly, these people act in shock and feel betrayed..But I guess that is the inherit problem with..well, inheriting religion from your parents instead of asking questions and finding what is right for you. It doesn't take blind faith to have faith. Maybe now is a good time to look around you. Too many people scream I HATE GOD BECAUSE OF CATHOLIC SCHOOL..There are plenty of better reasons to find a different religion than being mistreated by an old nun. ^_^

Marvin, I thought Easter came from Eostre, a goddess of the Saxons..not the babylonians.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
Religion is worship, the expression of devotion for one's beliefs. I don't think expression is authentic if it is dictated. I believe that there are some solid foundations of worship set down by Christ and the early church, but I think if every nuance of the activity was set in stone it wouldn't be genuine. Like reciting memorized prayers. Beneficial, yes, but the essence of prayer is expressing one's self to God.

That said, I think devaluing man-made practices in religion devalues the honesty. Mankind is given a mind of his own, he isn't a robot, so I think it is almost a responsibility to use that independence to worship in a genuine way.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
history is history.........what more can i say?
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well, with easter next sunday I hope everyone has a good and enjoyable holiday. I will soon explain the origins of Easter also.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
marvin i don't think you should judge anyone's religion or how they interpret the Bible. your not God or Jesus so i don't appriciate you judging people. how unChristian can you get. i am a proud Catholic and gowing up in the church i have learned never to talk about other practices.