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Homosexuality a RACE? EXCUSE ME?!?!

Homosexuality a RACE? EXCUSE ME?!?!

That's it! I need a radio talk show. These bozos just aren't doing their job.

A perfect example was brought forth yesterday on Michael Medved's talk show. He was talking about the issue of whether or not discrimination against homosexuality should be a crime, actually an interesting debate. A caller called in and made a major misstatement that Medved should have been all over. He referred to discrimination that occurs against the "Race" of homosexuals. I was laughing so hard at that comment I thought I'd have to pull over to the side of the road for a second. But Medved didn't address the comment at all.

You see, for all the arguments you can advance regarding whether homosexuality is a choice or genetic (I believe it is a choice...but further believe that we, as a nation, were founded on the principle of the rights of individuals to make choices....even those we consider to be stupid, as long as those choices are made by consenting adults...but I digress), one thing that it cannot EVER be considered, is a race.

You see, the major defining feature of a "race" is the ability to make progeny organically. By its very definition, homosexuals are unable to produce offspring from their relationship (you'd think, if genetic, that somehow evolution would have "found a way"...but I digress). Sure they can adopt, and this is not a diatribe against homosexual adoption. But they cannot produce any offspring. That's not bigotry, folks, that's biology talking.

What concerned me the most about this statement being left unchallenged is its implications. If we begin to view homosexuals as a race, then we will begin to view attitudes against homosexual behaviour to be racism. And that, I believe, was the full intent of the caller, and precisely why he should have been corrected as soon as the comment left his mouth.

You see, while I defend fully the rights of homosexuals to live their lives as they see fit, despite my own STRONGLY held views against such behaviour, I equally defend the rights of myself and others to speak out about what we feel to be morally irresponsible and sinful behaviour. And not only does equating homosexuality with race potentially impact MY rights, but it also diminishes the blood of the thousands of abolitionists and civil rights leaders that was shed on the soil of our country over many, many years.

And THAT, my friends, is a crime against humanity.

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Reply #26 Top

I dont agree with you though that it is a choice. I have NEVER been attracted to a woman sexually EVER. My earliest fantasies and im talking about dreamin at the age of 5 are of men. The idea of having sex with a woman repulses me, just as I am sure having sex with a man repulses you.

What about Bisexuality?  I am curious on your take as I dont really have an opinion (live and let live).

Reply #27 Top
You are 100% correct on this one. I wish you did have a radio show...We need some better talent on the airwaves. Glenn Beck is all we've got.
Reply #28 Top
The difference there is that you are not persecuted because your colourblind, you havent been beaten, tortured, spat on, murdered, harrased, abused, rejected by your family, your church, your friends.. all because you have colourblindness. Your colourblindness is respected as a difference in the "norm" of society in this age, maybe in the ancient past it wasnt and considered as a sin against humanity, but times change and so should the society, for example we no longer think we are the centre of the universe or that our planet is flat (well some still do).


Well, not to the same extent, but yes, I have been harrassed, mocked, treated like an idiot, or even a liar, denied jobs and training. Imagine trying to do most of what we do in public when you don't see many of the colors that are supposed to mean something to everyone. If you think colorblindness is "respected" think again. We are often treated like we are illiterate.

I don't bring it up as a means of equating my situation with yours, only as a means of demonstrating how we are all expected to exist in society, even if we don't quite fit.

You may never have asked others to change because of your homosexuality, but the activists demand it. They demand we accept their lifestyle choices to the point of criminalization. The irony is (or is it hypocrisy), they want to criminalize those of us who don't respect their lifestyle choices, but they refuse to respect our right to disagree with them. Apparently "respect" only has to go one way... but that is common among people demanding "minority" status.
Reply #29 Top
I dont agree with you though that it is a choice. I have NEVER been attracted to a woman sexually EVER. My earliest fantasies and im talking about dreamin at the age of 5 are of men. The idea of having sex with a woman repulses me, just as I am sure having sex with a man repulses you.


And we'll have to put that in the "agree to disagree" category. All I was saying in my response to Sarah was that the argument that homosexuality must be genetic because noone would choose to be ostracized by society is flawed (not to mention harmful, because it invites comparisons to other CHOSEN behaviour that is damaging).

Even though I believe strongly that it is a choice, I will always defend your right to MAKE that choice.
Reply #30 Top
Being gay is a part of who I am. I have NEVER gone out there and asked anyone to change anything because of my sexuality, I am just me and I just live life as anyone else does. I dont wear a banner on my head saying Im gay just like you dont wear a banner on ure head tellin people your colourblind. The quicker this society accepts the differences that make up our vast humanity the better we will learn to live with each other and be at peace.


See, and there is an area where we agree 100%, phoenix. Even if you believe that homosexuality is a choice, as I and certain others do, it does not give you the right to deny that choice to others, or to persecute them for making the choice, as long as it is a choice made between consenting adults (I HAVE seen a few homosexuals that do otherwise; though probably in the same proportions as I've seen heterosexuals that do otherwise).
Reply #31 Top
If you think colorblindness is "respected" think again. We are often treated like we are illiterate.


I, err....only have one question, Ted...how do you KNOW you're a redhead? LOL
Reply #32 Top
And we'll have to put that in the "agree to disagree" category


If you do find the idea of having sex with a man equally alluring to having sex with a woman, then perhaps you're bisexual Gid. It's not exactly a common thing, but it does happen. You're one of those lucky few who actually does a 'fair' choice, in that whether you choose a woman or a man you're going to be able to get a fulfilling sex life.

You should feel very lucky.
Reply #33 Top
If you do find the idea of having sex with a man equally alluring to having sex with a woman, then perhaps you're bisexual Gid. It's not exactly a common thing, but it does happen. You're one of those lucky few who actually does a 'fair' choice, in that whether you choose a woman or a man you're going to be able to get a fulfilling sex life.

You should feel very lucky.


cacto,

See, I think you have a hard time with reading comprehension here. The term "agree to disagree" means we probably won't convert each other to our own way of thinking, so let's move on to other topics. I disagree strongly with the viewpoint that homosexuality is genetically based, and could offer a number of compelling reasons for my belief. You, PB and others disagree just as strongly with the viewpoint that homosexuality is a choice, and could offer an equal number of compelling reasons for YOUR belief. You've HEARD the reasons I would bring up; they haven't changed how you perceive the issue. I, too, have HEARD the reasons you would bring up, and they haven't changed how I perceive the issue. The fact that you can't accept my support for the individual RIGHT to choose, despite my perceiving homosexuality as a choice, but rather you would insist on CONVERTING me to your way of thinking is why there continues to be conflict on this issue.

I have, in other words, expressed full SUPPORT of the right of homosexuals to marry (I think the government's position should be one of moral neutrality), and to adopt and to live without fear of persecution from society in general; the fact that that isn't ENOUGH speaks volumes for your agenda (and is a strong part of the reason I have nothing to do with the left).
Reply #34 Top
See, I think you have a hard time with reading comprehension here.


Sorry, I couldn't resist. You did say 'agree to disagree' following a statement where PB said that he considered that having sex with a girl was as abhorent to him as having sex with a guy was to you, which I figured would be funnier to take as you saying you wouldn't consider it any more difficult.

Sorry for the poor communications.
Reply #35 Top
Sorry, I couldn't resist. You did say 'agree to disagree' following a statement where PB said that he considered that having sex with a girl was as abhorent to him as having sex with a guy was to you, which I figured would be funnier to take as you saying you wouldn't consider it any more difficult.

Sorry for the poor communications.


Naaah, you're right...your response was a bit more good natured than I took it...lol! I was a little bent out of shape over a few side issues here, and I should have taken it more as intended.

That being said, though, I DO get concerned that the very real, very legitimate push among homosexuals to have their rights recognized (and, in the US, at least, many states either have or once had laws specifically PROHIBITING their behaviour) will get lost in the nature vs. nurture debate. And I think that you and I CAN agree that would not be to the benefit of society in general.