Reply #26 January 8, 2006 10:48 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

but what could change to have some honest and functioning government?

"First thing we do, is kill all the lawyers"
Mark Twain

Reply #27 January 8, 2006 10:57 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

Yes, I agree politicians aren't the most trustworthy or honest chaps around, but what could change to have some honest and functioning government?

Mass abolition of pollie perks/backhanders/salaries....mass sackings of a considerable number....mass imprisonment for the remainder guilty of impeachable offences.....mass executions for all the rest = clean slate, people power, meaning government for the people by the people....and anyone who betrays/diagrees with that concept, find 'em a rope, a tree and a necktie party.

Yeah, I know, I'm an anti-social, anti-government and anti-authoritarian bastard....but when you've been shit on as often as I have by them and their bureaucracies, you can only view them through an evil eye. I can attribute two unnecessary premature deaths in my family, directly and indirectly, to politicians ineptitude/inaction....their 'I'm alright Jack' attitudes.

I'm bitter alright...and when I have a 15 year old runaway who seriously needs their help and its repeatedly denied/refused, I have every right to be angry.

Rant off!

Reply #28 January 8, 2006 11:18 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

I'm scared of you people.

Reply #29 January 9, 2006 3:38 AM from WinCustomize Forums Top

Let it all out Starkers!

Reply #30 January 9, 2006 6:30 AM from WinCustomize Forums Top

3 of the dirtiest people I knew growing up are all now politicians. A Mayor, a Selectman, and a I don't remember. Another person I knew very well is a State Representative and he is a good guy. They are not all bad. Just 75% of them need to die.

Reply #31 January 9, 2006 7:41 AM from WinCustomize Forums Top

I'm scared of you people.

Citizen Adamness ....when you get older you too will concur.

Once you realise that by and large, the majority of politicians are there for just one thing......

Themselves.

Reply #32 January 9, 2006 7:45 AM from WinCustomize Forums Top

Let it all out Starkers!

If only there were enough room...

My still seriously ill father was disharged from a public hospital to a supposedly govt accredited, fly infested, disease ridden nursing home because health budget cut backs suddenly made his bed vanish....obviously, my mother at the time was unable to care for him at home. Within just a few days of being there, my father developed serious sores/skin ulcers and a nasty chest infection...for which they had no choice but to re-hospitalise him, yet again. The problem for family that to visit him, it was a 12 hour round trip....essentially because they placed him out in the boondocks to die. During our visits, we witnessed very little or no medical attention that may have prolonged his life, much less improve the quality of what little he had left. This was a bureaucracy decision, rather than a medical one, and based purely on govt funding cuts to health services.

My father's official death certificate named cause of death as a result of massive organ failure due to vascular disease and increasing 'related' dementia. Yet an independant opinion concluded death by septecemia/salmonella poisoning....no wonder he suffered a massive organ failure, left untreated.

Reply #33 January 9, 2006 11:34 AM from WinCustomize Forums Top

Well, I guess there won't be the same kind of discussion as we got in the religion thread. Oh well.

Reply #34 January 9, 2006 12:48 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

Well, I guess there won't be the same kind of discussion as we got in the religion thread.

Why not? The original question asked what we thought of government, any government and why our views were held.
Essentially, I have answered your question, with details as to why politicians and/or government cannot and should not be trusted, given that 99.9% of their interests are self serving and rarely an honest thought given to the common good.

Another example of bureaucracy/govt gone haywire, out of control and self serving is the forced eviction of my 72 year old mother from her Govt Housing Dept home of 35 years. In all those years she was never, ever late or behind in her rent, and actually made improvements to raise the property value. Rent is calculated at being 25% of all household income. However, because another govt dept stated that my mother received a much greater sum than her aged pension, and she 'supposedly' fell into arrears as a result, they evicted her because she could not afford to pay this fabricated and creatively accounted debt out of her fortnightly pension....the ONLY income she received. A perfect tenant of 35 years, made homeless through bureaucratic/government greed, bungling, ineptitude and cronyism.....homes for the boys/friends/family, etc. We later learned that a family related to a govt dept official now occupies the home....so how is that government for the people by the people?

Fortunately, my sister's son took my mother in (I'm in another State) and she's happy there, but that's not the point. Politicians worldwide will sieze upon any opportunity to further/better themselves, families and friends....regardless of whose expense its at. For example, politicians on more than adequate salaries should be entirely forbidden to invest in land or any other holdings that reap huge financial rewards, particularly and even moreso when insider knowledge/trading was the key factor in making that investment....in fact it should be made a criminal offence punishable by the very same laws the bastards inflict upon us, sometimes unjustly because of perceived interference to a personal or political agenda.

I remember a Bush speech in which he said: " If yer not fer us, then yer agin' us." and I thought to myself then, 'I pity any poor bastard who gets in his way, don't agree, cos he'll march right over the top of 'em, and @%#* the burials".....and every country/nastion has parasites of a similar vein/thinking.

My very wise old grandmother used to say: "If you can't say anything nice, it's better to say nothing at all."....and normally I would whole heartedly agree, but in the case of politicians, the exception to the rule becomes first and second nature, given the betrayals committed throughout the world by so-called leaders and their cohorts.

Reply #35 January 9, 2006 1:13 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

But there is always something to be done. Saying all politicians are corrupt doesn't accomplish anything. We all know that already. I am wondering what types of systems you all think would prevent this. What could we, the citizens of the country, do to improve the system. It doesn't matter what particular country, since what one country does affects others, and most countries will experience the same types of problems, if they aren't already.

Reply #36 January 9, 2006 1:16 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

We Are watching you.

Reply #37 January 9, 2006 1:24 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

Saying all politicians are corrupt doesn't accomplish anything.

You are quite the reasonable young man, Adamness. If/when you run, you've still got my vote!

Is it possible that some of those corrupted politicians started out with some of the same ideals as you? And if they did, what happened between the stretch of time from idealism to corruption and power?

Reply #38 January 9, 2006 2:33 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

I agree, 47songs. (Look at #13)

I simply find it hard to believe that any person who becomes a politician will always be swallowed up by the corruption. Someone has to break that cycle. I don't know if it would be me, but if it were, I don't see any situation in which I would give in to the corruption.

People often call me an idealist or naive, but wanting to get rid of corruption isn't being an idealist. It is being a concerned citizen.

Reply #39 January 9, 2006 4:20 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

Adamness...Corruption in government is so deeply rooted that you either go along or your forced out or rendered ineffective. The only way it will be stopped is by nation wide revolt...peaceful or otherwise. Trying to change things from within are usually buried in red tape or met with resistance and take forever. And they would rather it take forever due to the attention span of the general population. This government is very good at the dumbing down of the population.

And I for one certainly do not think your naive (Your young and learning...thats a good thing), as far as being an idealist...nothing wrong with that either. Fight the good fight! Never surrender!

Reply #40 January 9, 2006 4:33 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

I guess I missed your #13 post.

I don't see any situation in which I would give in to the corruption

I do think it's possible (to break a cycle of corruption), but in todays political market, that would be a tall order, Adam. There are those who've recently tried, but, sadly, it brings only more corruption.

Greed is a human flaw. Our country is run my humans (well, sort of)! Since governemnt seems to be run only by greedy humans, what say we propose legistration to allow the government and our constitution be run by a computer?

***EDIT: "Corruption in government is so deeply rooted that you either go along or your forced out or rendered ineffective." I type too slow! Watergate type corruption is more prominant today than when Nixon was President. Woodward and Bernstein broke a cycle of corruption. Like I said, you've got my vote to try and break another!

Reply #41 January 9, 2006 7:48 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

Political assissination....highly under-rated....most definitely under-used.

If more of them went to work thinking that's how many think, they might be inclined to wanna do a better job

Reply #42 January 9, 2006 7:51 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

Political assassination....highly under-rated....most definitely under-used.

If more of them went to work thinking that's how many think, they might be inclined to wanna do a better job?

Reply #43 January 9, 2006 8:00 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

Since governemnt seems to be run only by greedy humans

Given the kind of ridicule/suspicion and animosity the job brings, what would be the motivating factors to become a politician nowadays except power and greed???

Reply #44 January 9, 2006 9:31 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

I think the main motivation is the idea that you (or I) could do a better job than anyone now. I'm quite sure that I could.

Reply #45 January 9, 2006 11:25 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

"Political assassination....highly under-rated....most definitely under-used"
~ Lee Harvey Starkers ~....

Reply #46 January 9, 2006 11:28 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

Makes ya wonder why someone would spend 30 million to campaign for a job that pays 400 thousand a year.

Reply #47 January 9, 2006 11:38 PM from WinCustomize Forums Top

I'm just glad I don't have to do it!

Reply #48 January 10, 2006 1:33 AM from WinCustomize Forums Top

*Ahem* I think "WE THE PEOPLE" should suffice. For everyone.

Grand Raspberries to ALL and to ALL a good night.......!

Reply #49 January 10, 2006 5:07 AM from WinCustomize Forums Top

Repeat after me!
The government is good!
The government is my friend!
The government cares about me!
The government wants to protect me!
Blah...blah blah...dah freakin blah.
Baaaaaaaa.

Reply #50 January 10, 2006 6:12 AM from WinCustomize Forums Top

I think the main motivation is the idea that you (or I) could do a better job than anyone now. I'm quite sure that I could.

So what is stopping you?