IS HOMOSEXUALITY A DEVIANT PRACTICE?

Doesn't nature itself prove it to be an abomination?

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All human beings are made in the image of God and are therefore always and in every case deserving of the dignity of that status. But not all actions are in conformity with human dignity. For example, committing murder or suicide is not an action that respects the dignity of the human person. The position of legitimate churches is not that homosexual persons lack human dignity, but that homosexual actions do not respect that dignity because they are harmful to the people that practice them. I will give a short example of two aspects of this.

First, homosexual actions are physically harmful because the rectum is designed by nature to absorb any remaining nutrients before the waste leaves the body. When external objects are inserted there is serious danger of absorbing germs and infections. The female sex organ is designed by nature in a different way; it is not designed to absorb nutrients but to fight germs and infections. Thus heterosexual sex seems to be suited to Nature's design.

The second aspect is the spiritual. God gave us the gift of our sexuality because He wants us to share in His work of creation. The love between a husband and wife is so real and tangible that that love actually becomes a new human person, a baby. Contrary to the attitude of our culture, babies are good things, not bad. This is why marriage must be permanent, because children are permanent. I know people who are divorced or have marital problems but they all agree that it is certainly better to not have these problems. There is also the case of premarital sex. When a person engages in a sexual act with another person there is an emotional attachment that takes place. When this relationship breaks up there is extreme emotional pain. God did not intend for us to experience that type of pain. Thus sex, and the emotional bond that comes with it, belong inside of the publicly professed vow of marriage. When this bond is created outside of marriage it hurts people. Homosexual actions cannot produce a new life and so they cannot have the creation of new life as their central meaning. Thus the focal point of homosexual acts becomes the acquisition of pleasure even when it means putting another's well being at risk. Once the quest for pleasure becomes the purpose of sex, people get hurt. If I dive off the high-dive board into a pool with no water in it, I will end up with a severe head-ache no matter how much I try to create water by the force of my will. So what happens is that people end up getting hurt because they try to invent reality rather than obey it.

Homosexuals, as well as young people who engage in sexual activities, are not monsters trying to hurt people, they are often looking for love and acceptance. These things are good, but not all behavior that seems like it will lead to these goals will in fact lead to them. Many homosexual persons have experienced harmful relationships with one or both of their parents and are looking for healing and acceptance by members of the same sex. In that case the most charitable thing to do is not to encourage behaviors that are physically and emotionally harmful, but to fulfill their needs in authentic ways.

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The female sex organ is designed by nature in a different way; it is not designed to absorb nutrients but to fight germs and infections.

Errm, where are you getting your anatomical information from? My vagina isn't designed spcifically to fight off infections and germs, it's not a built in antibiotic. When you describe the female sex orgain, are you including the clitoris as well? Because that has no other function than pleasure.

I know people who are divorced or have marital problems but they all agree that it is certainly better to not have these problems.

Well, obviously! I think we're all in agreement that it's better to not have problems than to have them. However, it's not quite that simple....

Reply #2 Top
Thank you so much Marvin, I've often wondered just what my rectum was designed for. GCJ
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This article was not intended to offend. It was just meant to inform ignorant fags of what nature should already have taught us. Can there be any doubt that sodomy is a very unnatural type of behavior and that it only brings all kinds of diseases and harm to those who engage in it. People cannot behave like animals without bringing horrible deseases upon themselves and other. We must learn to live in a way that does not hurt other people.
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when you start your post as a question and with your bias so obvious, all the rest of any argument you may make becomes irrelevent. if you actually want to ask a question, ask it. If you want to make a point of persuasion, thata is something else. I stopped reading after your first line because you made it clear you weren't actually interested in another opinion, and even by the title itself. This isn't an open topic, this is christian evangelism. sorry
Reply #6 Top
driving a car is also a very unnatural behavior which causes a lot of harm. so is burning coal, so is nuclear weapons, so is the stock market. where will it all end?
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Can there be any doubt that sodomy is a very unnatural type of behavior and that it only brings all kinds of diseases and harm to those who engage in it.


Smoking is a very unnatural type of behavior that only brings all kinds of diseases and harm to those who engage in it AND the people around them. But we let them get married. And have children. Who get exposed to more smoking. Besides, the notion that homosexuals have more diseases is very 1986 of you. Time to wake up.
Reply #9 Top
As the writer of this article, I am very irritated with some of your comments. I took pains to write it as compassionately as I could. I am not that great of a writer. My goal was to inform and try and help the homos so they could clean up their lives and live more happily. Every time I try and help, all I get is attacked. You homosexuals should put your pride aside and take a good look at your sick lives.
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As the writer of this article, I am very irritated with some of your comments.


Awwwww, poor baby.


I took pains to write it as compassionately as I could.


Then Reply #3 should not have contained the word "fags."


My goal was to inform and try and help the homos so they could clean up their lives and live more happily.


Again, the word "homos" forces us to question whether you're actually worried whether gays are happy.


Every time I try and help, all I get is attacked.


Saying stupid things will do that to you.


You homosexuals should put your pride aside and take a good look at your sick lives.


I think you're compensating for something.
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Marvin,

I am glad that you expressed your views. I don't think your article was at all intentionally offensive, but some of your replies were. Even if someone responds harshly, try not to offend others by saying things you wouldn't normally. It makes it harder to listen to anything you say.

That being said, I think you need to realize your arguments are based on your religion. There are hundreds (thousands?) of religions in the world, and many of us will not follow your reasoning if it is based on your religion. It is great that you want to help people, but you need to think about this from a gay person's point of view. If you are born attracted to the opposite sex, that is great for you. But if you were born attracted to the same sex, what would you do? Don't say, 'I wouldn't be a homosexual'. You don't know that. Sexual attraction is the strongest instinct I have, and if I was born attracted to the same sex, I know I would be homosexual. Yes, I am straight. And I could care less if people of the same sex want to marry. I only know one openly gay couple, they are no different then anyone else. If it is against your religion, first you need to convince us all to convert to your religion (please don't try), and then may be we will take your arguments more seriously.

Can I make a suggestion? Try writing an article that is in support of gay marriage. I know it is against what you believe, but you may learn a lot. Try talking to a gay couple.

Peace.
Reply #12 Top
Its true the rectum has a natural function however because of an enlarged prostate I have had so much exploratory that when I get the finger in traffic ,by force of habit I wave my blue cross blue shield card. I don't get openions anymore I give em [on who has the most fun finger].... More seriously though nature has a way of taking care of the situation. It is said that God works in misterious ways,So perhaps homosexuality is a form of birth control? Advice and consent comes into play here too. Its not the act its the exploitation of the act that people object to. so do what you want , But like Mom and Dad did keep it out of site of the kids, I doub't you'll have a problem with that!!!......charlie poore
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This thread is a joke, right? I mean, is anyone really that ignorant and self-righteous? I've read religious rantings before and by comparison, Marvin's "article" is just so much sanctimonious dribble. "Great pains," huh? I bet Marvin's just another one of us fags posing as a religious fanatic, and taking sh!t as a counter-propagandist measure. If not, I'm really, really sorry, Marvin ... for you, that is.
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Marvin-
I have to agree with the super polite guy- this is all about your religious views- People came to America for religious freedom and when you say that you shouldn't be homosexual because YOUR god disapproves, you are saying that everyone should be subject to your religion. Attacking gays is like freaking twelvth century crusade type vanity- how can you think that everyone should believe what you believe just because you believe it? You said yourself that you aren't that great of a writer- you may not be the smartest guy in the world (not trying to be offensive- I'm definitely not the smartest chick in the world)- but doesn't this just emphasize that you are not the person that should be in charge of deciding what is right for everyone else? You don't sound like you are a very happy person- so how can you deny what little happiness there is to be found for others? This just seems very harsh. If you are that religious- just let your god do the judging and work on being a good person yourself- don't try to control others if they aren't hurting anyone!!!

12 reasons why gay people should not be allowed to get married

1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control.

2. Heterosexual marriages are valid becasue they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can't legally get married because the world needs more children.

3. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if Gay marriage is allowed, since Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.

5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are property, blacks can't marry whites, and divorce is illegal.

6. Gay marriage should be decided by people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.

7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire counrty. That's why we have only one religion in America.

8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

10. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.

11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to things like cars or longer lifespans.

12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages for gays and lesbians will.

Reply #15 Top
Lizzie................Dont you realize that homos are deviates just like other perverts. We cannot allow their evil ways to become the norm in a civilized society.
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"Homosexuals, as well as young people who engage in sexual activities, are not monsters trying to hurt people, they are often looking for love and acceptance. These things are good, but not all behavior that seems like it will lead to these goals will in fact lead to them. Many homosexual persons have experienced harmful relationships with one or both of their parents and are looking for healing and acceptance by members of the same sex. In that case the most charitable thing to do is not to encourage behaviors that are physically and emotionally harmful, but to fulfill their needs in authentic ways."

Ummm, what???? People become gay to look for acceptance???? So many people hate gay people!!! Like you!!!! Why do you assume they even have a choice? Something to think about: perhaps God made them that way. Maybe he created different seuxalities for the same reasons he created different races. Maybe he wanted to make us more accepting and loving people. Remember, love thy neighbor as thyself.
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Posting all your articles in capital letters is a deviant practise at JU, Marvin. But guess what? I don't have a problem with that. Be as abnormal as you want. It's all part of.....evolution.

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While I know that posting anything that is anti-homosexual in this day and age is inviting hateful response and accusations of being intolorant and narrow-minded I will post a comment on this none-the-less.

While I feel the author of this post meant to communicate his ideas in a loving and meaningful way, his lack of experience and writing skill posed a stumbling block. Especially in his responses to the comments.

I will say that I agree that homosexuality is deviant behavior by definition. (Here come the hateful responses). Anything that deviates from what is natural is deviant by definition. Sex is intended to procriate the species. Homosexual sex does not accomplish this and is therefore deviant in that it deviates from what is natural.

I believe that nobody is born attracted to the same sex. I believe this is a choice, or the result of tramatic experiences in a person's life. There is no "gay" gene. If there were, as homosexuals can't reproduce, the gene would have ceased to exist long ago. That being said, do I hate gays? Absolutely not! Gay people are PEOPLE. I love all people, as all Christians should, whether I agree with what they say or what they do. That is, by definition, the Christian way.

Yes, I believe that a gay lifestyle is wrong. Yes, I know that's not the mainstream "politically correct" attitude. Do I know any gay people? Yes. Do they know how I feel about their lifestyle? Yes. Are we still friends? Yes! While they know my feelings about their lifestyle, and my own religious and moral views, they are still my friends and respect my views just as I respect theirs.

Do I pray they will change? Yes, I do because I care about them and am concerned for their souls based on my beliefs. Does it affect our friendship? How can it not? They respect me enough to be open and honest with me, as I do them. Is there any hate or animosity between us? Definately not! We love and respect each other in spite of our different views.

I do not believe this article was intended to attack anyone. I believe it was written in love and out of concern for others and the writer doesn't deserve to be attacked because of a lack of writing skill. If you disagree with the idea, that's fine, state your opposition. Just don't attack the writer. Comments should encompass the ideas presented not attack th writer.

Ok, I'm ready to be attacked now.
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12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages for gays and lesbians will.


Just for the record, In Brown vs. the Board of Education, the Supreme Court ruled that separate but equal was unconstitutional.
Reply #20 Top
Ok, I'm ready to be attacked now.


Well then, this should be fun.

will say that I agree that homosexuality is deviant behavior by definition. (Here come the hateful responses). Anything that deviates from what is natural is deviant by definition. Sex is intended to procriate the species. Homosexual sex does not accomplish this and is therefore deviant in that it deviates from what is natural.


Fine. Gay people can't make babies. Its "unnatural". What's your point? Neither can infertile people or really old people.

I believe that nobody is born attracted to the same sex. I believe this is a choice, or the result of tramatic experiences in a person's life. There is no "gay" gene. If there were, as homosexuals can't reproduce, the gene would have ceased to exist long ago.


Okay, homosexuality may not be genetic. There is currently a lot of scientific debate about this. However, many scientists believe that there may be other reasons, like hormones. That doesn't make it a choice. You seem to contradict yourself, by saying that its a choice or a result of a traumatic experience. Even if it were from an experience, its not a choice or something that can be changed. But I disagree with both statements.

First, I don't think any sensible person can say that people actually want to be gay. Society is so prejudiced against gay people. It would be like psychological massachism. I don't think 10% of the population enjoys that. And second, you said you know gay people. Have all of them experienced trauma that would cause them to be gay? Because I know gay people who haven't and also don't particuarly like being gay. From what I can tell, any trauma gay people have results from being gay. But even if this were the cause, they're still not choosing this sexuality. That means they are discriminated against for something they cannot choose or control. Please explain to me how this is different than racial discrimination.

It seems that all of your arguments stem from the idea that homosexuality is morally wrong because its not natural and because they choose to be that way. Try considering the possibility that they can't help it or change it. Then see what you think about homosexuality.

~Molly
Reply #21 Top
This narrow point of view has no place in todays society. You are much to dogmatic.