re: Secret Presidential Executive Order

Can I get a summary of where you are trying to get with this information? Readers Digest condensed version please?

Just the facts, man.

I don't feel comfortable giving my opinion on this because this is about my employer.

Sorry no homework helps here. But feel free to use this information as ammunition against Clueless Old Losers.

If Prs. Bush did commit a crime here, let the legal (and political) chips fall where they may.

However, the New York times sat on this story almost a year. You'd think that if this was such a terrible and unconstitutional act, they wouldn't have waited to run with it.

It's also interesting to me that members of the House and Senate also knew... so where were the demands for investigations then?

So, if a crime was commited and members of Congress didn't say anything... how many of them are willing to see an investigation into the "conspiracy"?

It is really simple.  It is legal, they dont like it. 

I understand english and spin.  Shame most do not.

WHY did Bush not obey this Law? Under what law did Bush have the authority to bypass this process and the courts to wire tap Americans? Sec Rice said Bush was operating within the law but failed to identify the law.

This matter needs to be addressed. The country needs to know if the actions of Mr. Bush were within the laws of this country. If he was operating legally then the matter should be put to rest. If he has violated the laws he needs to be removed from office. This is not a minor issue and if there is a legal question, it MUST be addressed by the Supreme Court of the United States.

One question - Since the President classified this information, were the members of Congress that were made aware of the President's actions able to come forward?

Yes Colon Gangrene, as you well know, a criminal act under the protection of security classification is still a criminal act. The means of investigating, while still maintaining the security has been in place a long time.

This didn't bother them until it was made public. Which means it didn't matter to them until they could use it to their political advantage.

This matter needs to be addressed. The country needs to know if the actions of Mr. Bush were within the laws of this country. If he was operating legally then the matter should be put to rest. If he has violated the laws he needs to be removed from office. This is not a minor issue and if there is a legal question, it MUST be addressed by the Supreme Court of the United States.

Apparently it was a minor issue, until liars like Reid could use it for political advantage.

There is more political stink on this than even the New York Times could shovel out.

This was NEVER a minor issue. If the President has violated the Constitution and laws he has sworn to uphold this is not a political toy. Some may use it as such but the issue is did Bush violate the laws of the United States?

If members of Congress failed to come forward about the President violating the laws, they need to be delt with as the law provides - Republicabns and Democrats alike. This holds the potential of becomming another Nixon.

Agreed, if Prs. Bush did break the law, he needs to answer for it. However, so does everyone who sat on it for a year.

When is Prs. Clinton going to answer for using the FBI and IRS as his own little strong arm organizations? Again.. .YOU DON"T CARE, do you Colon Gangrene!

One question - Since the President classified this information, were the members of Congress that were made aware of the President's actions able to come forward?

The dates I cited are indicative of who knew and when they knew.
The media got this information somewhere.
Feingold, Leahy, and all the Senate Judiciary Committee received briefings on this in 2002.

Exactly Singr... isn't it interesting that they waited until now to whine about "investigations" and "probes". Could it be that they are only playing to the press for political gain? Could it be that they are conspirators to whatever "crime" may have been committed here?

The most important issue is what game the President is playing. Why did he not use the courts as the law requires?

Why did he not use the courts as the law requires?

It's important here to note the difference between the regular court system and the FISA court. The FISA court acts in secret due to security and operational concerns. The court system is a matter of public record and can be scrutinized and publicized to the media heart's content. (Oh, sorry, did I imply that the media has a collective heart?)

The most important issue is what game the President is playing. Why did he not use the courts as the law requires?

But it does not bother you in the least, that members of congress knew about this....and DID NOTHING (if indeed it is/was criminal)????

You mean to tell me, if someone kidnapped you, and beat the living crap out of you every day, and I knew about it....but did nothing because the guys that kidnapped you asked me not to. And then one day, the cops finally find you and get you out of there, and they ask me about it, and I say, I knew it was going on all along, but he asked me not to say anything...you wouldn't be upset with me???? I would be just as guilty as the kidnappers....

But yet, you say that the most important thing is what Bush is doing. Congress knew about, and didn't do a thing....well, until they needed to save their own asses regarding it. Oh, it is easy to say, "I thought he just kept falling down the stairs every night. That is what I thought all that screaming and beating was that was going on next door. I didn't know that they were actually beating Gene." It is easy to say that when I finally get caught.

Bush so far, again, is the only one standing by what he has done. Everyone else turns tail and runs for the hills (congress), while the "Cowboy" stands in the street, ready for the noon-time to arrive.

Gene, think about it. Congress knew about this, and if it was indeed illegal, and they didn't do anything (until they could be in trouble), and you think that is "ok"???

Maybe you should run for congress, I am sure you would fit right in there with those half-cracks in Washington

Let me also say, if Bush did indeed break the law, let him pay the piper. But, also, in the same breath, those that knew about it (and not just sent a memo), let them answer to the law also.

There you go again Colon Bin Gangrene... The only thing that matters is getting Bush. If someone leaked the details of an ongoing operation, who cares how many troops get killed (the moore the merrier in your sick little book, right?)! Who cares that the only way for a crime to have been continued for years is if members of BOTH parties and BOTH houses of Congress were in on the conspiracy!

You wouldn't care a bit if another 9/11 happened, in fact, you would be dancing in the streets, but only if you could blame Bush for it.

Bush may or may not have broken the law here, if he didn't, then whats the problem? If he did, he couldn't have acted alone. Why don't you care that others may have broken the law also?

Man, how can you live with so much hatred for everything you lie about holding dear?

But it does not bother you in the least, that members of congress knew about this....and DID NOTHING (if indeed it is/was criminal)????

No Mythical it doesn't matter to him. His daughter could be raped and he wouldn't care. All his life is about is blaming Bush for everything that happens.

He isn't worth the trouble of spitting on. If you pissed on him, all you would be doing is insulting the piss.

the moore the merrier in your sick little book, right?

Freudian Slip?

BWAH HAH HAH! Slip of the finger, instead of tongue?

Singrdave

I was talking about Bush not using the FISA Court.

How were the few members of Congress to go public either in Congress, press or the courts since Bush Classified the information given them? Sen. Rockefeller did object over two years ago to Cheney in writing.

There are two issues. First have the President obey the law in the future. Second, hold him responsible if he broke the law.