From WP: Spanish at school translates to suspension

This one makes me wonder if speaking Jive or Ebonics or any other language is treated as acceptable.

Discriminatory practices such as the one described here leave me thinking yet again that there's more than a fair percentage of our Educators that need to find themselves new jobs. I don't want to pick on teachers. I have relatives that work in that field. I know many are over-worked, over-stressed, and relatively underpaid for the jobs they are asked to do. But with that said, stupidity like this just shows some to be unworthy of these jobs, or at least the policies that they are being given by superiors aren't being rejected as they should be. (I know they can't just reject the policies out of hand, as that would be insubordination, but at some point there's being insubordinate vs. being smart enough to recognize a discrimantory and hurtful policy).

Anyway, enough with the ranting for now. Original article snippet follows. (BTW, bless Ms. Hawkins and other teachers from along the way for teaching me how to read and understand the language, and bless my parents for encouraging me to read when I was a child.)




Spanish at school translates to suspension

Controversy caused by Kansas City incident reflects national debate

By T.R. Reid
The Washington Post

KANSAS CITY, Kan. - Most of the time, 16-year-old Zach Rubio converses in clear, unaccented American teen-speak, a form of English in which the three most common words are "like," "whatever" and "totally." But Zach is also fluent in his dad's native language, Spanish -- and that's what got him suspended from school.
"It was, like, totally not in the classroom," the high school junior said, recalling the infraction. "We were in the, like, hall or whatever, on restroom break. This kid I know, he's like, 'Me prestas un dolar?' ['Will you lend me a dollar?'] Well, he asked in Spanish; it just seemed natural to answer that way. So I'm like, 'No problema.' "
But that conversation turned out to be a big problem for the staff at the Endeavor Alternative School, a small public high school in an ethnically mixed blue-collar neighborhood. A teacher who overheard the two boys sent Zach to the office, where Principal Jennifer Watts ordered him to call his father and leave the school.
Watts, whom students describe as a disciplinarian, said she can't discuss the case. But in a written "discipline referral" explaining her decision to suspend Zach for 1 1/2 days, she noted: "This is not the first time we have [asked] Zach and others to not speak Spanish at school."
Since then, the suspension of Zach Rubio has become the talk of the town in both English and Spanish newspapers and radio shows. The school district has officially rescinded his punishment and said that speaking a foreign language is not grounds for suspension. Meanwhile, the Rubio family has retained a lawyer, who says a civil rights lawsuit may be in the offing.


National debate
The tension here surrounding that brief exchange in a high school hall reflects a broader national debate over the language Americans should speak amid a wave of Hispanic immigration.
The National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group, says that 20 percent of the U.S. school-age population is Latino. For half of those Latino students, the native language is Spanish.
Conflicts are bursting out nationwide over bilingual education, "English-only" laws, Spanish-language publications and advertising, and other linguistic collisions. Language concerns have been a key aspect of the growing political movement to reduce immigration.



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I had just read this, when I saw your article.  No wonder no one wants to be bi-lingual in the US!
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Endeavor Alternative School


This is worth noting.

I'm not saying whether the decision was right or wrong, but things work differently in alternative schools. Making the kids speak English only in school may be a safety measure.
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I agree with Wahine inasmuch as this may be related to a safety issue.

It is however hard to believe that the school would actually suspend someone for an innocuous exchange in a foreign language and not expect to "catch heat" for it.

I wonder whether there is more to this. Maybe the kids misrepresented what they said.
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Making the kids speak English only in school may be a safety measure.

Or the fact they backtracked so fast may be another.  I have been in alternative schools.  They are not prisons, but are very tightly controlled.  I dont think you have to worry about gangs while in class (where the PT ratio is about 10-1).

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Or the fact they backtracked so fast may be another.


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I dont think you have to worry about gangs while in class


Ask my dad about that one.

Alternative schools are, in some ways, even MORE restrictive than prison.
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Alternative schools are, in some ways, even MORE restrictive than prison.


Having never worked in one(Prison), I dont really have a comparison. But having been in several alternate schools, the teachers do not take any shit! And the classes are small. (at least here in Va). I would never want any of my kids in one, but I am glad they are around (a kid who threw a desk in first grade in my daughters class wound up there. He did graduate - after that, I dont know.)
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In the classroom id agree with no languages other than english... but i could see reasons where outside the class it would also be appropriate... for example in areas with racial tensions...
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"In the classroom id agree with no languages other than english... "

It would be damned hard to study English, Science, History, Math, Political Science, etc., that way. Such rules are arrogant considering we use other languages in those classes all the time.

Granted, I don't believe we should treat foreign students as handicapped and make special classes for them, either. Punishment for using other languages is silly, and no doubt anyone in that school who used a scientific name for a plant or animal, greek notation for math, discussed Western Civilization, discussed the origins of English words, etc., has commited the great non-English sin as well.

The administration should be fired for embarassing the school and abusing a student that was doing nothing wrong. You couldn't even get by with this in a private school.

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This is downright STUPID.

I don't know...I *use* my Spanish speakers in my class. If I have students who speak hardly ANY English at all, I use them as interpreters. I use them to help give instructions. I encourage them to use both languages--especially in social situations--lunch, etc. Spanish-speakers have a hard time trying to navigate this fast-paced place the way it is. Good lord...set them UP in life instead of punishing them for having a usable skill.
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There are many issues involved here.

If this is a school designed to deal with problem children, then I can understand having rules about English only in classrooms, and perhaps even a bit of understanding about having English only rules for conversations while on the campus during the school day, but there's a big difference between a quick "No problema" and a conversation that might be inciting violence or otherwise causing trouble.

In every day life in this country, I'm actually somewhat in favor of "English Only" laws. I don't feel that we need to have our tax money spent to print multilingual signs, to print multilingual ballots for elections, etc. The official un-official language of the country is English. I wish it was the official language. Having a common language is the basis for doing business, entering into contracts with a good understanding of the contract that is being put into effect.

But I can still easily point to this case and say I believe the administrators/teachers involved in this case were stupid, and deserve to be disciplined themselves. They have most likely violated the civil rights of the student, and they deserve to pay for having done that.
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Making the kids speak English only in school may be a safety measure.


I agree with Wahine inasmuch as this may be related to a safety issue.


I wouldn't be surprised if that's the excuse administrators will use to defend themselves, but if that's truly the case why wasn't it a written policy? Also, that the school district immediately rescinded the action speaks volumes against it.

The article itself goes on to say...

Since then, the issue of speaking Spanish in the hall has not been raised at the school, Zach said. "I know it would be, like, disruptive if I answered in Spanish in the classroom. I totally don't do that. But outside of class now, the teachers are like, 'Whatever.' "



I do understand why teachers could feel over their heads at what might be said in a foreign language. When I was in high school I got a phrase going that used a "four letter" Italian slang for male anatomy. I have no doubt that if the administrators of my private religious school knew what we were really saying I'd have been in a world of trouble. But that's hardly the case here.

I could be reading too much into the article, but I don't see where the other student was reprimanded, punished, or even sent to the principal. That leads me to believe the teacher only heard Zach say "no problema" and nothing else (assuming, as Jamie wrote, the kids didn't misrepresent what was said).

If "no problema" is really all the kid said, I can't see where that principal and teacher have a leg to stand on. "No problema" can be understood even by non-Spanish speakers. Also, that phrase is used commonly in America by people who only speak English. Maybe it's just being from L.A. and growing up in Southern California, but I'd argue that "no problemo/a" is part of the modern American idiom.

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Gene Nash
wouldn't be surprised if that's the excuse administrators will use to defend themselves, but if that's truly the case why wasn't it a written policy?

I was thinking the same thing. If it's a safety issue, the school has to have it in writing (at least somewhere).

I mentioned this on the other article, but I also think we do not need to assume that this is an alternative school for delinquents, there are many types of alternative schools. It would be worth investigating further.
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If these are truly problem kids, it seems like the first order of business would be communicating with them. As I said on my blog it reminds me more of the missionary schools we interned native american children in.
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As I said on my blog it reminds me more of the missionary schools we interned native american children in.


Funny that you mention that... when I read the article it reminded me much of TNT's Into the West mini-series, with the Lakota Indian children that were put into immersion schooling and completely cut off from their heritage.

Just another of the chapters in our history that wasn't a bright shining moment.
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I was thinking the same thing. If it's a safety issue, the school has to have it in writing (at least somewhere).

They should, they could, they did not.  It was a stupid decision.

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If these kids aren't supposed to use a language other than English, but they don't speak English at all, are they supposed to keep silent all day long? That might get boring.