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Atheists: Methinks he doth protest too much

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635165645,00.html
from JoeUser Forums

Dave Silverman, a coming out of the closet Atheist (if I was gay, I would bitch slap the jerk) has decided that atheists cant be atheists because of persecution from the "religious right".  Well, before I get into the meat of this article let me offer him a boo hoo!  hey jerk!  I am a Catholic!  You think they like me any better?

http://www.atheists.org/comingout/othercloset.html

But perhaps the reason that you feel so ostracized is because you are doing the persecution?  ya think?  maybe just a little?

Oh!  So what do we have now.  Well anyone who reads the news knows about Michael Newdow and his quest to banish mention of God (why?  If you don't believe in Him, why be afraid of his name?  You don't sound like an Atheist, more like a BC idol worshiper or a pagan). 

Now we have a bunch of needle nose atheist objecting to honoring fallen Utah State Troopers!  And how are they honored?  SHOCK!  GASP! "I am coming to you Elizabeth!"

They are erecting crosses, most on private property, along the highways of Utah!  No message of "Jesus is going to get you!" or "Burn in hell Infidel" (I kind of like that one, it rhymes).  Just simple, plain crosses.

I have seen many along the highways here in Va! And SHOCK! GASP! On the public right of way along the highways.  Honoring those that have died at or near those spots.

yet the Atheists are up in arms over this!  They are melting!  Melting!

So Mr. Silverman, if you want to "Come out of the closet", by all means do so!  But don't blame those YOU are persecuting for putting you there.  You are just another sniveling coward that likes to dish it out, but cant take it.

Jerk.

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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
Strange but true: Las Vegas was founded by Mormons.


Also Strange but true: While gambling may be against Mormon beliefs, they do own a few Casinos in Las Vegas too.
Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
What bugged me about it (and this is not all Mormons, just those particular ones) is that many of those Mormons are VERY devout and consider gambling and drinking to be SERIOUS sins...they just don't see any moral wrong in PROFITING off of those vices.

And because they tithe faithfully, they don't usually get called on the contradiction.
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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
I was a MORMON (when I was very young). There's all kinds of contradictions!!!

Follow the money trail...isn't that the name of the game?
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top
Oh, and if you dont think that Catholics are persecuted just as badly, more so in many instances, than Atheists, you have not lived in the rural south.


I lived in the deep south for 10 years (Louisiana) half of which was in a rural area. I never once heard of any catholics being persecuted. There were as many or more catholic churches as there were protestant. My ex-wife grew has been catholic her whole life and has never been "persecuted". I don't know exactly what you've personally experienced, I'm just speaking of my own experience.

By the same token, I was never aware of atheists being persecuted either.
Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top
ah, the urban legends abound in this thread. ;~D
Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top
This article is a good reason to be an atheist. Why would anybody become a Christian? The only reason I can think of to really look in to Christianity is to see somebody that obviously is happy and at peace, realize the source is their faith, and pursue the possibility of its legitimacy. Does this article speak of being either?

When us Christians- I say us because I'm a Christian- learn to shut up and let the God that we SAY is omniscient and omnipotent do the work He promised He would (if you seek the truth, you shall surely find it), incredibly things will start happening. Until then, I'm convinced that if this debate were merely political, I'd be an agnostic until Christians started imitating the one they say is their role model. It's like Buddha said: "I like your Christ. I hate your Christians. They are nothing like your Christ."

I'm tired of this argument. Christianity isn't a pill you can shove down somebody's throat, healing them in a forceful conversion. *sighs heavily*

I'm morose... must be the time of night I'd better go to sleep now!

Dan
Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top

While gambling may be against Mormon beliefs, they do own a few Casinos in Las Vegas too.

I am getting to love them more and more!  I dont gamble, but I would not mind a piece of the action!

Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top

they just don't see any moral wrong in PROFITING off of those vices.

While I do, I am not going to slam someone for being against it for themselves, yet taking advantage of what they see as other's weaknesses.

Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top

I was a MORMON (when I was very young). There's all kinds of contradictions!!!

Follow the money trail...isn't that the name of the game?

I think in this case it is.  (Altho how this went from Atheist to mormons....)

Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top

lived in the deep south for 10 years (Louisiana) half of which was in a rural area.

Louisianna is Catholic! Doh!  Do you always post irrelevant stuff, or do you have to research it to find the stupidest thing to write!

Not get your lilly white tail over to Alabama, Mississippi, Rural Gawga, North or South Carolina (not in the gentrified cities).  Then report back!  After you tell them you are a papist.

Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top

ah, the urban legends abound in this thread. ;~D

Ok, have I been taken in by the Mormons own cassinos one?  If so, I plead gullibiliity!

Reply #62 from JoeUser Forums Top

I'm tired of this argument. Christianity isn't a pill you can shove down somebody's throat, healing them in a forceful conversion. *sighs heavily*

Did you read the article? *sighs heavily*. Apparently not.  For it is the Atheist that are intolerant of dissent!  And the article is pointing out that hypocrisy.  Christians are not doing a diddly damn thing!

Or are you talking about the comments?  Best to be more precise.

Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top
Did you read the article? *sighs heavily*. Apparently not. For it is the Atheist that are intolerant of dissent! And the article is pointing out that hypocrisy. Christians are not doing a diddly damn thing!Or are you talking about the comments? Best to be more precise.


I read the article, as I always do, and I understood it perfectly. Regardless of who is more intolerant than whom, it is YOU who wrote this article, and YOU who is stirring up the same cauldron of dissent. That was my point.

And who said tolerance was a good thing, anyway? We shouldn't be tolerant. Take racism. My culture says "be colorblind." I say, see the colors, and recognise them for their beauty and their potential. Tolerance says, "stop discriminating, we're all essentially the same." Diversity says "we're all different... and it's better that way."

This really isn't an issue of tolerance, you see. Because religion isn't philosophy; with religion, you're either right or wrong, and the loser goes to hell. Religion is not an appropriate field for a discussion of tolerance. But that doesn't matter, does it? Because even if I'm right and you're wrong, the power of the human mind will gloss over relevance and allow you to pounce easily on whatever flaws I have in my logic.

And dang it, I'd love to condemn you, but how can I, when I'm the same way?

Dan
Reply #64 from JoeUser Forums Top

This really isn't an issue of tolerance, you see

But it is.  It is about allowing you to beleive, or not, in anything you want.  And allowing me to do the same.  Some cannot tolerate that.  And so, yes I slam them in this article, and in many of the comments.  Those that are tolerant, are not the brunt of this article.  However, if we are to constantly qualify every thing we say, then we lose the audience and point quickly.

For the sake of this arguement, I will say it is not ALL atheists.  However, as with all things, if the shoe fits.......

Reply #65 from JoeUser Forums Top
Louisianna is Catholic! Doh! Do you always post irrelevant stuff, or do you have to research it to find the stupidest thing to write!
Not get your lilly white tail over to Alabama, Mississippi, Rural Gawga, North or South Carolina (not in the gentrified cities). Then report back! After you tell them you are a papist.


I've also spent considerable time in MS and was stationed in AL in the Army. I'm aware of no persecution of catholics there either. Can you post some information on this rampant catholic persecution you speak of?

My "lilly white tail" ? Now you even know my racial makeup?

or do you have to research it to find the stupidest thing to write!

I really have to get back on the Christian train like you. Christ's redemption has truly transformed you. I'm sure Christ himself would post tolerant and uplifting comments very much like yours. You truly have followed the direction of Jesus and have become a fisher of men.
Reply #66 from JoeUser Forums Top
And so, yes I slam them in this article, and in many of the comments.


Again...following the example of Jesus. "Slamming" for Christ!
Reply #67 from JoeUser Forums Top
It is about allowing you to beleive, or not, in anything you want. And allowing me to do the same.


Now that's just stupid. As a Christian, by "allowing" others to believe differently, you're passively making them go to hell. All an atheist is doing by "allowing" you to believe differently is doing his own thing. What you're suggesting is nigh-unto-criminal for a Christian, and a mere choice for an Atheist.

Dan
Reply #68 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Now that's just stupid. As a Christian, by "allowing" others to believe differently, you're passively making them go to hell."


Free will is a bitch, ain't it? Some might say it shows a lack of faith to believe that God doesn't take any initiative in reaching these people. When you start talking about "allowing" people to believe something, you invite people who don't believe as you do to brush off "allowing" you to be a Christian.

The leadership in Saudi Arabia isn't much for "allowing" people to believe what they want, either.
Reply #69 from JoeUser Forums Top

Again...following the example of Jesus. "Slamming" for Christ!

As another philosopher once said, sometimes it is better to slap the hand than to hold it.

Reply #70 from JoeUser Forums Top

As a Christian, by "allowing" others to believe differently, you're passively making them go to hell.

That may be the case for some Christians, but not all of them. And not me.  By allowing you to beleive or not, I am not forcing you to do anything.  That is what your actions do. And as adults, we are responsible for our own actions, not everyone elses.

Reply #71 from JoeUser Forums Top

The leadership in Saudi Arabia isn't much for "allowing" people to believe what they want, either.

Very true.  And what they believe is not what I believe.  I like the option to believe what I want to.

Reply #72 from JoeUser Forums Top
As a Christian, by "allowing" others to believe differently, you're passively making them go to hell


Any that do find themselves in Hell have no one but themselves to blame. It's a choice one makes while walking upon this earth.

Having said that.....we do have a responsibilty to let them know there is an alternative.
Reply #73 from JoeUser Forums Top

Having said that.....we do have a responsibilty to let them know there is an alternative.

There is informing, and then there is Proselytizing.