Just recently, I received an e-mail from a good friend of mine in which he chose to “come out of the closet”—an announcement he made not only to me, but to an entire list of friends in his e-mail. We became very close friends when I was in the Navy. He went on in detail about how thrilled he was with his new life. I could not honestly share in my Navy Buddy’s celebration of his new life. I believe, according to scriptural teaching (and despite what’s fashionable), that God condemns homosexuality as sinful. This e-mail made me realize that of all the things we consider as sinful in society, this sin enjoys a unique status. Some sins still carry a stigma; some have been passively accepted. But, in the past decade, homosexuality has shed its stigma and taken on an aggressive nature in public life.

Society has undergone this “queer makeover” in nearly every avenue of thought, and it has gone far beyond mere calls for “equal rights.” Higher education welcomes it, teaches it and, thus, breeds it. And the entertainment industry—with 20 major television shows prominently featuring homosexual themes or characters—would have us believe every circle of friends has its “token gay guy” despite the fact that only 3 percent of the American population is admittedly homosexual. Just a few years ago it was “don’t ask, don’t tell.” Now this lifestyle is being shoved aggressively down our throats.

What other sins enjoy such positive notoriety? There are a few—fornication comes to mind. But still, this sin has more of a general, passive acceptance rather than overt pride and arrogance associated with it. How many pre-marital sex parades do you see in big cities across America? I was appalled when the U.S. Supreme Court struck down anti-sodomy laws. There is a deep spiritual and inspiring meaning behind family and marriage, which God has put at the highest level of morality.

Is homosexuality just like any other sin? According to God’s own Word, the wages of ALL SIN, unrepented of, is death—whether homosexuality, adultery, murder, stealing, lying. But consider the sins still generally frowned upon by society. Imagine my same friend—considering he were heterosexual and married with children—sending an e-mail to all his friends and family celebrating his infidelity to his family. Imagine if someone came out of the closet and announced he was a serial killer, or that he molested children, or he drove drunk.

What makes homosexuality particularly unique among other sins condemned in the Bible is the PRIDE aspect of it. Even in the account of Sodom and Gomorrah, where God destroyed these cities because they were full of all sorts of immorality—homosexuality being most prominent—the sheer BRAZENNESS of these people was most appalling. They even showed no shame when attempting to mob rape two angels there in human form. In the book of Ezekiel when God lists the sins of Sodom, He puts PRIDE first on the list. God said, “they were HAUGHTY, and committed abomination before me.”

God’s word states that America and Britain have become as sinful as Sodom and are to suffer Sodom’s fate. But its similarity to Sodom is not merely in homosexuality. God says the PRIDE of their sins bare witness against them. And that THEY DECLARE THEIR SIN AS SODOM, THEY HIDE IT NOT. They have rewarded evil unto themselves. America and Britain once had a historically unique and close relationship with God. And that is why God is warning us! We have been warned and God will hold us accountable. We must act! Homosexuality is an abomination as is all sin unrepented of. If we continue to flaunt our sins, whatever they be, before God, He will inflict the fate of Sodom on us. But if we repent of our PRIDE and strive to live God’s way then we can be spared the destruction ahead. America must be warned.

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Please do not make a judgement on this issue until you try it for yourself.

Thanks
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Homosexuality may be a sin in your religion, but it isn't in mine.
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That's a question I have. What is the position of the Jewish Faith? I know that there is a range of orthodoxy, type, of belief. Is there a Jewish concensus?

What of Hindu? Islam? Budda?

Just an inquiring mind.

IG
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Wait a second I didn't mean homosexuality - that is disgusting. I was speaking only of sodomy. Also - adultery and white lying are fine in my book. And false idoltry (American Idol, come on), also - I sometimes have to work on Sunday (thats one of the Big-X isn't it?). But you definitely don't want to covet your neighbors manservant or his ass.

Over and Out.
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infoGeek:

The Buddha never actually spoke specifically about homosexuality.



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Cause Buddha doesnt care.  Homosexuality is irrelevant to spirituality.  It's only condemned by religion which is a far cry from the former.


 


Theres a word....what is it....it's right on the tip of my tongue....


oh yea...fascism


 

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Not usually worth my while to answer some pile of nonsense like this. Go peddle your hate
and frustration somewhere please. It is offensive to read.
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InfoGeek, homosexuality is considered sinful in both Torah (Old Testament) and the New Testament. So is onanism, but you rarely hear people condemning it. For those that are not familiar with the sin of Onan, let me offer this:

Onan was the son of Judah and Shuah. Genesis 38:4. The Lord slew Onan's brother for wickedness. Judah told Onan to marry his brother's wife "and raise up seed to thy brother." Genesis 38:8. But Onan did not want to have children by his brother’s wife.

"And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother."

Genesis 38:9. This misdeed displeased the Lord; "wherefore he slew him also." Genesis 38:9-10.

So, onanism specifically means withdrawal at the moment of male climax. Onan didn't want to have children by his brother's wife, for then his son would be his nephew. In general terms, however, onanism means any act of male masturbation. In the old days, they referred to this as "the solitary sin." Godmorals.com (yes, there really is such a website!) explains "The seed of life is not a plaything."

Now studies show that onanism is more common than sodomy. (By the way, the origin of the word "sodomy" comes from the ancient city of Sodom that The Lord destroyed, slaying all within it, even the babies) Why then is there no outcry against onanism?
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Marvin I don't know what bible you are reading my friend but I am here to tell you sis is sin. and no sin is worse that the other. All and any sin will send you to hell. I am sick of people like you holding up homosexuality as some king of high ranking sin. There is no such a thing if you say there is then give us chapter and verse. I have chapter and verse to back up my words. Just read Rev.21:8 It says they will ALL have their part in the lake of fire. Are you any worse off than the homosexuals for calling them faggots in some of your articals? The first cammandment my friend is that you love God with all your heart and the second is that you love your neighbor as yourself. Take the log out of your eye before you try to remove a splinter from other people's eyes. You are worse off than the homosexual because of your hate. Now please, take your sermonizing elsewhere, you're too transparent here. GCJ
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Haha what fun. PoetPhilosopher says: "don't knock homosexuality unless you've tried it." Haha... that was good.

Stop with all the stupid comments about him being a fascist, because you are too now.

And GCJ is right, there's no "supreme sin."

And finally, fornication is not a sin. Perish the thought. Take it easy, ya'll.

~Dan
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It seems that with regards to onanism you are taking a specific act, not making a child with your brothers wife, with the general act of masturbation. So, should we interpret the Bible specificaly or in more general terms. And, if specific, should it ALL be taken specifically?

IG
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Be he a Baptist, Scientologist or Zoroastrian, in the heat of battle Deacon will call down Divine retribution on all net sinners, and will never miss an opportunity to tell everyone about his personal savior. Deacon is fervent and earnest, but never has anything of interest or substance to contribute to a discussion. Occasionally Tireless Rebutter or Philosopher will engage Deacon in battle, but mostly he is ignored.

Cite: http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

Nuff said.
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"I sometimes have to work on Sunday (thats one of the Big-X isn't it?)."

No, is working unholy? Unless you're a stripper or something of the like, I think not. Jesus healed on a Sunday, and that was his work. No, it's not inherently a sin to work on Sunday.

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GCJ said
"and no sin is worse that the other. All and any sin will send you to hell. "

Marvin said
"the wages of ALL SIN, unrepented of, is death—whether homosexuality, adultery, murder, stealing, lying. "

So, GCJ, what's your point? That's a moot point arguing that because you have both agreed that no sin is sin, none being worse than the other.

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Larry Kuperman said,
"InfoGeek, homosexuality is considered sinful in both Torah (Old Testament) and the New Testament. So is onanism, but you rarely hear people condemning it. For those that are not familiar with the sin of Onan, let me offer this:"

The only quote you used to condem "onanism" was in the OT, so what are you talking about? Would you please quote something from the New Testement if you'd like to make that arguement legitimate?
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correction: I meant that sin is sin*... my bad
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I said sin is sin?
Excuse me but I am not the one who wrote the book of Revelations Chapter 21 and verse 8.
I'll be happy to quote it though for those of you who don't wanna take the time to drag your ole dusty bibles out...
Rev. 21:8 The fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, (that word takes in a whole lot of different catagories of sin,) and murderes, and whore-mongers, (whew, that one got some toes there,) and sorcerers, and idolaters, (hmm... think about that one, who has never put anything before God?) and ALL LIARS, (what? you mean to say the the little white lies will send me to hell just as well as the big black lies? Who has never told a lie?) SHALL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNETH WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE. / end quote(Brimstone!!! you mean to tell me that God is going to toss in some brimstone?)
Yeah, sin obviously is sin. The only specific difference being the kind that is under the blood and the kind that isn't and brother, thats where Grace comes in. Do you think that Jesus was crucified in vain? I don't. GCJ
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Hello bud! Were you sober when you typed your post??!?!?

And I quote, from you, GCJ,
"...I am here to tell you sis is sin." I'm assuming sis was a typo and was supposed to be sin, correct me if I'm wrong.

"I said sin is sin? Excuse me but I am not the one who wrote the book of Revelations..."

You also said,
"Yeah, sin obviously is sin. The only specific difference being the kind that is under the blood and the kind that isn't and brother, thats where Grace comes in. Do you think that Jesus was crucified in vain? I don't. "

All sins are covered by the blood if we ask for forgiveness. Were you referring to me when you said brother because I'm a chick, but anyway, obviously Jesus was not crucified in vain, so what is your point? If we don't have forgivness we will burn in the lake of fire. All I was saying in my above post addressed at you is that I think it was a moot point arguing with Marvin over that because you both agree that sin is sin.
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"What makes homosexuality particularly unique among other sins condemned in the Bible is the PRIDE aspect of it. Even in the account of Sodom and Gomorrah, where God destroyed these cities because they were full of all sorts of immorality—homosexuality being most prominent—the sheer BRAZENNESS of these people was most appalling. They even showed no shame when attempting to mob rape two angels there in human form. In the book of Ezekiel when God lists the sins of Sodom, He puts PRIDE first on the list. God said, “they were HAUGHTY, and committed abomination before me.” "

Marvin, when it comes to pride, what do you think was one of the driving forces of the theory of eugenics? Or other horrible mentalities in history, and are still quite current?

Also, when it comes to "god's own word", consider this..

Leviticus 11:9-12 says: 9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat. 10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: 11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. 12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you. Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says: 9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat: 10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.


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I have an innocent question. Is masturbation a sin? God gave us the use of our sexual organs in order to create new life to worship him, so the use of our gift solely for the purpose of stimulating ourselves seems selfish and lustful. Also, I think fornification is wrong. When male and female have sex, they are united into one body in Christ, which in actuality is exactly what marriage is. So if you do not marry the person you have sex with first, then you commit adultery. I am not sure if that is right or not, but please respond.
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Is masterbation sin? I guess it is. Lots of sins we people do.

You should marry before you have sex. That would be the right thing to do. Though sex before marriage is not the worst of all sins.

Homosexuality is a perverted form of sex. God made adam and eve, not adam and steve. Sex between man and woman is totally natural and good. It is not nearly as sinful to have sex before marriage as it would be to commit homosexual acts. Sex with man and woman is natural, but sex with 2 males is a gross form of deviate behavior.

Marvin
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Sounds like you need help Marvin. Whats good for the goose isn't always good for the gander...
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, hearing about sodomy from an old navy friend... Kind of makes the old, beloved shout "Make a hole!!" all creepy, doesn't it? Don't suppose he was a Rear Admiral, was he?

I feel stifled here at JU. There's been several times I have wanted to make observations or state an opinion, but I know that in order to I'll have to blacklist a few people. Kind of sad. Marvin isn't very diplomatic, but he says his mind on his own account, unlike others who go anonymous to.

Considering how much opposition he has, that makes him braver than I, at least on this subject...
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I can't believe you would abandon a good friend just bacause he is gay. I have several gay friends and they are good people.
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I think homosexuality is a sin. That's my opinion. As far as basic sodomy being a sin, I can see why someone would think it is, but I don't go that far. If a woman really likes anal sex, is it a sin to appease her? I've never done it actually, so my opinion can't hold as much credence. But sodomy in general doesn't make a cop a worse cop or a better cop for that matter. It doesn't make a soldier less able to do his duty if he's a homosexual. It's a tough debate for me. I'm uncharacteristically on the fence I suppose. But overall, homosexuality is wrong, anal sex is whatever.