NFL fan sues over searches at Florida stadium

Should you be forced to submit to searches at sporting events?

News today that the NFL, or at least the Tampa Stadium Authority is being sued by an NFL fan, with the help of the ACLU, over the NFL's policy which requires pat down searches at entrances to any NFL event.

The policy is likely part of a response to 9-11, and has been in effect for a while. Apparently the fan has grown very frustrated with the searches (as described in the article clipping below) and has decided to get the policy changed through another of the U.S.A.'s favorite past-times -- suing over the loss of civil rights.


To me the bigger question is should we have to give up some rights in exchange for the priviledge of seeing a sporting event? After all, we are guests of the NFL, or their member teams if we attend an NFL game. The tickets that we use to see the game come with a litany of legalese and rules attached. We have to maintain decorum, follow the rules that are noted at the stadiums, or noted where we get the tickets, or noted on the tickets themselves. We have to follow the orders or requests made by security personnel at the stadiums, at least currently (including the pat down searches). But should we have to follow those rules?

The same holds for most major sports - MLB, NHL, NASCAR, NBA, etc. There are rules the govern our attendance and our being permitted to use space within the arena, track, stadium, etc. Should those rules include forcing attendees to submit to searches prior to admission to the events?

You tell me.

I'll give my opinion on the subject a little later.

Meanwhile, original article clipping follows.






NFL fan sues over searches at Florida stadium

By Jim Loney

MIAMI (Reuters) - A Tampa Bay Buccaneers season ticket holder sued on Thursday to halt pat-down searches of fans entering the football team's stadium, saying such a search without any suspicion of wrongdoing violated his constitutional rights.
The suit, filed by the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida on behalf of high school teacher Gordon Johnston, challenges a policy approved by the Tampa Sports Authority in September requiring physical searches of every fan entering Raymond James Stadium for National Football League games.
"Football fans should not be forced to surrender our constitutional rights as the price of admission to the stadium," Johnston said in a release. "I am challenging these pat-down searches because I don't like the idea of myself, my wife and my friends being touched without our consent."



... more at linked article (check the original article for complete details)
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Reply #1 Top
Yeah... I can think of the Tampa Stadium Authority's defense on that....

October 1st, 2005: Norman, Oklahoma....
Reply #2 Top

While it is an inconvenience, I dont see it as a rights issue.  Attending a game is not a right.  it is a priveledge.  As such, you have the option of watching it on tv, and not paying the ticket price.  The NFL also has the right to refuse you admission, or put limitations on your admissions (no coolers, etc.).

I think this is just another waste of tax payer money.

Reply #4 Top
We have to maintain decorum


Ha ha, you said "decorum" in relation to an NFL game! Point taken, of course.

If he doesn't like the rules, he shouldn't have to just stay home and watch TV. But I don't support him wasting anyone else's money by filing a lawsuit. He's a season ticket holder. Does that give him any clout? Why do people think that if they have a problem, the way to solve it is with a lawsuit. Grr.....

-A.

P.S. Link doesn't work. For me at least.
Reply #5 Top
Stadiums are often private property. The responsibility they have to try to ensure the safety of the athletes and 49,999 other fans FAR outweighs the rights of the ONE individual.

Don't like it? You probably won't be searched at your local bar, and you can get an HDTV broadcast of the game there.

Frankly, every one of these lawsuits is potential ammo for a future terror attack, and they disgust me. Random stops and searches on a public street are one thing, and I'd probably be vocally supporting this guy. But (especially in light of the OU bombing...had the guards NOT searched fans entering the stadium, we'd likely be talking about hundreds, maybe thousands dead as a result of the individual's actions) when you enter a stadium packed with people, the security guards have a certain obligation to, well, security.

I attended Farm Aid in 2001, less than three weeks following 9/11. My father and I were searched, along with most other concertgoers, and we were constantly aware of the heavy military presence in the area. While the one thing my father and I agree on is the right to privacy, both of us were well aware of the government's responsibility to do what they were doing, and neither of us said a thing.
Reply #6 Top
Don't like it? You probably won't be searched at your local bar, and you can get an HDTV broadcast of the game there.

A wonderful solution!

We've been searched at Patriots games since 9/11. Is it a hassle to wait in line? Yes. Is it inconvenient to have to meet up with my male counterparts once inside (males and females searched in diff. lines)? Yes. Is it worth the added feeling of security I get from knowing that someone is looking out for my safety? Definitely. If you don't like it, stay home.
Reply #7 Top
ah yes the Antiamerican Civil Lunkheads Unionofsocialspigs.

at it again taking law suits and trying to get the rest of us killed.
Reply #8 Top
While it is an inconvenience, I dont see it as a rights issue. Attending a game is not a right. it is a priveledge. As such, you have the option of watching it on tv, and not paying the ticket price. The NFL also has the right to refuse you admission, or put limitations on your admissions (no coolers, etc.).


Bingo!

This was pretty much exactly my thoughts on this one. Nice try by the person (fan) doing the suiing, and by the Americans without a Clue, but barking completely up the wrong tree.

If I want to go to a concert, a baseball game, a football game, etc., I'm able to attend at the will of the organization that is putting on the event. If they want me to stand on one leg and recite the pledge of allegiance backwards before I can enter the show, then that's the price of admission and I either pay it or go see the show another way (or pass on it entirely).

I may not like getting searched either, but the organizations have a right to do the searching, more importantly perhaps a duty to do it in the post 9-11 environment where we have to be concerned about not just our own personal safety, but that of others that attend the events.

What would the person suing say or do if he attends an event where someone sneaks in a vial of nerve agent and unleashed it on the crowd? Would he be near the front of the line wanting to sue the organizations that hosted the event for not protecting his own safety? You betcha!
Reply #9 Top

Bingo!

I win?  What is the prize?

Reply #10 Top
The Raymond James stadium is privately owned. By the Raymond James corporation, go figure. Their stadium, their rules.

If they want to make you do the truffle shuffle and wear a tinfoil beanie before coming inside, they're bound to lose business, but it's their right. I know I like to have a say over being sure people don't bring guns into my home or business without my say so.

Don't like it? You probably won't be searched at your local bar, and you can get an HDTV broadcast of the game there


What's that you say ACLU? Your 2nd amendment rights are being taken away but making you leave your guns outside the bar? Naw, that's a silly analogy. Of course it makes sense to make sure people don't carry guns into bars.......

That's it! That's the real reason. ACLU don't wanna go into de game without their piece, in case they see someone and gotta bust a cap in the ole glutes. Silly overconservative republican ACLU gangbanger paranoid gun nuts.

Yes! They're secretly in league with Charelton Heston to take out Michael Moore at a Buccanear game. It's a conspiracy!!! I sah, a conspirisah boy!!!
Reply #11 Top
part of the game is trying to slip in a fifth. if they catch you at it, boo, you lose. besides, im not sure how it works in tampa, but in madison, milwaukee, and green bay, you bring your grill, your cooler, your face paint, and a football. you saturate yourself for 4hrs prior to the game, slip a slim of jd into your pants. the guards grope, you get your bourbon confiscated, and, too drunk to care, you go and purchase a $6 special-ed tourist cup of mgd on subzero days, lose the skin on your left hand to frostbite, lose your face to frostbite, leave the game, get lost trying to find your car, end up at smokeys until your buddy tells you you cant drive anyway and you sleep on his couch until 230am, you puke in the corner of his room and fall back asleep until 10a, go get some ham and eggs and coffee, have your buddy drive you around until you find your car, then head home before he discovers the pile of puke on his reader's digest.

where's the problem?

tbt
Reply #12 Top
Private property does not have the same restrictions as public under the constitution. Even the states didn't have the unreasonable search and seizure of the 4th Amendment until the 14th Amendment got the first 10 applied to the states. The constitution only applies to the government.
Reply #13 Top
Good times, TaBoo... good times...

As SNS said, it's private property and therefore the corporation's rules apply.