Let us do a simple comparison

I think the concern is that the deaths in Iraq could be prevented if...(we hadn't gone in, we planned the war differently, we provided better equipment for the troops, we had less troops, we had more troops, we pulled the troops out sooner, we had a larger "coalition of the willing", etc.).

I think it's very sad that we've lost so many brave Americans. The number may seem small when compared to other "causes of death" but when it's your loved one, numbers don't matter.

Not too many deaths...though deaths nonetheless. The media seems to want to plug death tolls without giving accurate comparisons...if any at all. Well, c'est la vie I suppose...

~Zoo

1 by Texas Wahine Monday, September 26, 2005

think the concern is that the deaths in Iraq could be prevented if...(we hadn't gone in, we planned the war differently, we provided better equipment for the troops, we had less troops, we had more troops, we pulled the troops out sooner, we had a larger "coalition of the willing", etc.). I think it's very sad that we've lost so many brave Americans. The number may seem small when compared to other "causes of death" but when it's your loved one, numbers don't matter.

this brings us back to you go to war with what you have not what you would like to have. sad but true.

when you compare the deaths here in the united states by MURDER to the deaths in a war on terror it kind of brings things into its proper perspective.

this brings us back to you go to war with what you have not what you would like to have. sad but true.

But that perspective is based in the belief that we HAD to go to war. Not everyone agrees that we did.

when you compare the deaths here in the united states by MURDER to the deaths in a war on terror it kind of brings things into its proper perspective.

Hmmm...I'm not one to put deaths into "perspective." I think the death of child caught in the crossfire of a drive by shooting is tragic. I think the death of a battered woman at the hands of her abusive spouse is tragic. I also think that the death of a Soldier in an IED explosion is equally tragic.

Sorry to be the voice of dissent, but I'm not a fan of minimizing the significance of deaths of our fallen service members.

#4 by Texas Wahine Monday, September 26, 2005

Sorry to be the voice of dissent

mm breaks into song..


I love you just the wayyyy youuuu areeeeeeeee.

Reply By: Zoologist03Posted: Monday, September 26, 2005Not too many deaths...though deaths nonetheless. The media seems to want to plug death tolls without giving accurate comparisons...if any at all. Well, c'est la vie I suppose...~Zoo

agreed zoo, just trying to throw some {uh oh} perspective here.

I love you just the wayyyy youuuu areeeeeeeee.

Thank you for taking my comment in the spirit it was intended, MM.

Reply By: Texas WahinePosted: Monday, September 26, 2005I love you just the wayyyy youuuu areeeeeeeee.Thank you for taking my comment in the spirit it was intended, MM.

we seem to get along fine for two people so different, and with such an age gap too.

Hmmm...I'm not one to put deaths into "perspective." I think the death of child caught in the crossfire of a drive by shooting is tragic. I think the death of a battered woman at the hands of her abusive spouse is tragic. I also think that the death of a Soldier in an IED explosion is equally tragic. Sorry to be the voice of dissent, but I'm not a fan of minimizing the significance of deaths of our fallen service members.

That is not dissent, that is compassion and common sense.  And very welll put.  Perhaps mankind can advance to the point that war will not cause any deaths, but that day has not come yet.  IN the end, you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

#9 by Dr. Guy Tuesday, September 27, 2005

That is not dissent, that is compassion and common sense. And very welll put. Perhaps mankind can advance to the point that war will not cause any deaths, but that day has not come yet. IN the end, you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

how true doc, good to see you btw.

The point I was trying to make is the left keeps quoting the iraq war dead, while totally ignoring the death by murder here at home.

Pointing out the dead of the war gives them political talking point, while talking about the dead killed here at home does not.

Today (on the average) 125 people will die in America from car accidents, yet not one of the people who accuse us of not caring about our troops will shed a tear for any of the MVA victims they didn't know.

Troops die in training exercises every month....

A Navy Carrier group will have fatalities every time they are at sea...

The 82nd Airborne Div rarely makes it more than 82 days without a death on Ft. Bragg.

Most people who cry crocodile tears for the troops never give these deaths a second thought. Apparently for most "war protesters", death only matters when the press tells them to care.

#11 by ParaTed2k Tuesday, September 27, 2005

Most people who cry crocodile tears for the troops never give these deaths a second thought. Apparently for most "war protesters", death only matters when the press tells them to care.

the protestors are much more a threat than the terrorist are ted imo.

from my time over the other pond {pacific}1965-1966 we lost more in a month than this whole war now put together.

Most people who cry crocodile tears for the troops never give these deaths a second thought.

They don't care for the deaths cased by Saddam and subsequently avoided for the past two years by the invasion either.

The fate of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis matters not one bit to the ISPs (ignorant selective pacifists). For them matter but the dead bodies that come back, like the vultures they are.

(Is that a good image? Hawks on one side, vultures on the other?)

13 by Leauki Tuesday, September 27, 2005

Most people who cry crocodile tears for the troops never give these deaths a second thought. They don't care for the deaths cased by Saddam and subsequently avoided for the past two years by the invasion either. The fate of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis matters not one bit to the ISPs (ignorant selective pacifists). For them matter but the dead bodies that come back, like the vultures they are. (Is that a good image? Hawks on one side, vultures on the other?)

it's not about troop deaths, this I could live with, it's about trashing Bush, his administration and america.

yes vultures is a good "bird" for the left, they feed on the DEATHS of our troops.

There's nothing anyone wants more than to see the war come to an end. WAR itself come to an end, for that matter.
But, when you have arrayed against you a maniacally unreasoning people, whose main driving force is a raging hatred for you and what you stand for, it leaves you with little choice. Just ask the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. Oh, that's right....you can't; they're all dead.
This war between Islam and the Western world has been coming for a long time. It really started in the late '70s, and would have eventually happened somewhere, someday. Iraq is just where it finally hit the fan.

15 by Rightwinger Tuesday, September 27, 2005

Just ask the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto

but what a fight they put up holding 2 full german armies at bay for days. this is the only time I read ww2 stuff where I was proud to be a JEW>

The fight with muslim terrorist has been brewing for to damn long, as long as they were killing jews it was ok, but attack america and get away with it, what was clinton thinking?

but what a fight they put up holding 2 full german armies at bay for days. this is the only time I read ww2 stuff where I was proud to be a JEW>

And rightly so. It was European Jewry's Masada, if I'm using the reference correctly. If not, sorry.

The fight with muslim terrorist has been brewing for to damn long, as long as they were killing jews it was ok, but attack america and get away with it, what was clinton thinking?

Well, he never thought much beyond his popularity points, which explains two things:

1.) Why he was, and is, so popular.

2.) Why he didn't, and still doesn't, have a legacy. Like the Doc said, if ya wanna make an omelet, ya haveta break some aigs. Clinton never wanted to break any aigs.

#17 by Right winger Tuesday, September 27, 2005

And rightly so. It was European Jewry's Masada, if I'm using the reference correctly. If not, sorry.

correct. the Jews in Masada were slaughter much like the Jews in Warsaw.

I voted for Clinton, both times, his domestic policies were great, his foreign policies were the famous liberal "run away and pretend nothing is wrong tactic."

I voted for Clinton, both times, his domestic policies were great, his foreign policies were the famous liberal "run away and pretend nothing is wrong tactic."

Hah--hah-hah...I guess this was before your "redemption", eh Darth? I voted for him in '96, but kind of against my will; I wasn't happy when he won.
I thought Dole was just too old....hell, he'd have been as old going into his first term s Reagan was coming out of his second. So I took what I saw at the time as the lesser of two evils.

But yes, the patented "ostrich" tactic seems to be the order of the day for the liberal leaders. It worked for Bill, after all....nothingbad happened until he ws free and clear. Unless, of course, it comes out that he knew more about 9/11 and Bin Laden than he's willing to admit to. I wouldn't surprise me a bit.

But yes, the patented "ostrich" tactic seems to be the order of the day for the liberal leaders. It worked for Bill, after all....nothingbad happened until he ws free and clear. Unless, of course, it comes out that he knew more about 9/11 and Bin Laden than he's willing to admit to. I wouldn't surprise me a bit.

already has come out rightwinger... read the stuff about "able danger"

yep When I saw what the left had to offer in 2003 dean, kerry, sharpton, clark, I switched parties and have never looked back.

read the stuff about "able danger"

True....but the lefties are trying to spin it to be Bush's failing.

21 by Rightwinger Tuesday, September 27, 2005

read the stuff about "able danger" True....but the lefties are trying to spin it to be Bush's failing

they are trying but cannot spin this away, wait till the congressional hearings get started on this.

Could this be what sandy berger stole?

Could this be what sandy berger stole?

Hmmmm....maaaaybeeeee. Just may be.

23 by Rightwinger Tuesday, September 27, 2005

Could this be what sandy berger stole? Hmmmm....maaaaybeeeee. Just may be.

the report handed in by able danger to the clinton admin, identified mohammed atta in 1999 as a terrorist here in america.

the report handed in by able danger to the clinton admin, identified mohammed atta in 1999 as a terrorist here in america.

Yeah, I know about that part.