On closing schools, parking buses and saving gas

Some mothers in Georgia upset about school closing

Let me start by giving a bit /salute to Georgia Governor Sonny Perdue's plan to close schools in his state for two days so the school buses can stay parked, the schools can stay closed, and the state can help save approximately 500,000 gallons for diesel fuel. Arkansas was also working on such a plan, and I believe it's the right thing to do, at the right time.

Thanks to our ever expanding consumption of fossil fuels, and also thanks to Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, we have severely cut our ability to process fuel currently. Though President Bush again spoke on tapping the Strategic Petroleum Reserves, our best solution would still be to cut consumption, and closing schools and keeping the buses parked is one way to save many gallons for fuel.

With that said, such plans only work if there is cooperation from the parents involved. And by cooperation, I mean parents making an effort to keep from consuming fuel themselves, which is not what happened with a few mothers that were highlighted on CNN a short while ago (watching while having lunch at a local eatery). A pair of parents decided to hold a "teach in" at the state government in Georgia because they were upset that children are paying the price for our ravenous consumption, and in order to protest, they decided that they'd hold their teachin in front of the politicians. On the one hand, they were quite actively involved in their children's education (a very good thing), but on the other hand, they just went and consumed fuel that they need not have used just because it bothered them that their children would miss a day of school.

Many of our children spend much more time in the classroom than many of us ever spent in schools when we were kids. Losing a day of school here and there is not that disruptive to the schooling of these kids. Yes, it may cause some unplanned flexing of schedules and teaching curriculum, but our kids continue to learn the basics, and that is what is important.

My wife has suggested (I don't think she's blogged on the point yet, but she has suggested it) that government in general, and businesses also should consider doing similar things to what GA is doing with their school systems - shut down a day a week, allow their workers to work longer hours and fewer days or similar solutions that would help conserve fuel and natural resources. It is something we seriously must consider. If we only used the approach over say the next 2 months, many people might find they actually enjoy having 3 day weekends, and 4 day work weeks that are just 2 hours longer per day once they are in the office. The amount of fuel we could save (somewhere between say 5 and 20% of what we normally consume) should be unbelievably high, and that might, just might help lead to lower fuel costs as the refiners build up stockpiles and as our consumption drops quite significantly.
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I am in Georgia and as a stay at home mom I don't mind the school closing, think it is very forward thinking on the Governor's part. DOn't know if those of you not in Georgia know this but we had a bit of a fuel crisis thanks to the local media back when Katrina hit. Schools were letting the teachers leave in shifts to go fill up their tanks as there was rampant rumors of gas shortages and prices spiked about a dollar per gallon in a mere five hours, lines were crazy at the pumps. Anyway, I think it is great and agree that those parents on CNN are taking it a bit too far. I had my kids study what they could here for the week and one of them is getting an extra two days to do his social studies project. Several daycares and all the local libraries are trying to help out those who need to go to work and didn't have anyone to keep their school age kids. In our county they are using two built in snow days to cover the time lost so really it isn't lost.
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hmmmm. The school system in this country is already pathetic and in shambles. Let's just make the problem worse by doing even less. *eyes roll* Why not build more refineries? Search for alternate sources of fossil fuels? Find alternate fuel supplies? If the tree huggers of the 90s had not been so adament in preventing the energy resources from being built, we would not have such a serious problem today. Instead of finding a stopgap measure that will likely backfire, why not start changing the legislation that prevents more refineries from being built? It's not a "quick fix" but then again....quick fixes so rarely work.
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hmmmm. The school system in this country is already pathetic and in shambles. Let's just make the problem worse by doing even less. *eyes roll*


No one said you need to do less. Do more in less time perhaps, but do less is not stated or implied. School systems take more days out of children's lives today then ever before. I know there is a push to get to year-round schooling. It's coming, sooner more likely than later, but in the interim, the amount of time spent to cover say grade 3 currently is definitely more than was spent covering the same basic materials and goals back when I went through grade 3 many years ago.

Are our children stupid and can't learn the materials in less time? I think not. Are our teachers less capable than teachers many years ago? Again, I think not. They may be more stressed, have more requirements placed on them by the local, state and federal governments, but again, they are capable of teaching the materials in the time alloted, and if not, then they should not be teachers.


Why not build more refineries?


Your back yard available? For many people more refineries is a big case of NIMBY - NOT IN MY BACK YARD. If that isn't the issue, then there's the issue of environmental impact of such new building. There's liability issues and much more that keep many refineries from being built.

There's also the questionable and dubious idea of building more refineries to refine a resource that is clearly being rapidly depleted off the face of the Earth. Does it make sense to spend say 3 - 6 years building a new refinery at a cost of several hundred million dollars (or even say a billion) when the amount of profit to be made over the life of the facility can't possibly pay off those costs?

Should we make the government build and run the refineries? Maybe, but again doing that means using *our* money to build it, and making the government responsible for it.

Search for alternate sources of fossil fuels? Find alternate fuel supplies?


Great idea. One I've stated before. Alternate sources, more conservation and efficiency are all part of the answer.

Keep in mind that some alternate fuels actually use more energy than the savings they supposedly promise. Does it make sense to use more oil/coal to produce the electricity to make fuel additives that don't actually really help save energy at all?

If the tree huggers of the 90s had not been so adament in preventing the energy resources from being built, we would not have such a serious problem today.


Very true. If people weren't so anti-business, and weren't so darned sure that businesses were destroying the environment, then perhaps we'd have developed a lot of alternatives. Nuclear technology held great hope back in the 60's, and 70's, until Three Mile Island, where human error helped to end the love affair we had with the technology. Now concerns about what to do with the waste materials, and fears of another Three Mile Island happening have kept us from building any new nuclear facilities.

Instead of finding a stopgap measure that will likely backfire, why not start changing the legislation that prevents more refineries from being built? It's not a "quick fix" but then again....quick fixes so rarely work.


Quick fixes aren't the answer, but they are part of it. We do need to conserve fuel. How we do it is debatable, but we need to do it. We need to develop other energy sources, but again, it takes time. Meanwhile, if we have the political will to do as Georgia has done and sit a few buses for a few lost school days, we can save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of gallons of gasoline and diesel fuel, plus save the money and energy that went into refining those products, etc.
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Kids don't get study hall anymore. Now they're expected to do their homework after soccer practice and piano lessons. Every kid and family is different, though. I doubt that the parents who took the time to challenge politicians have kids who get no help with school or homework. Maybe they should have been doing lessons at home or overseeing projects due like the infantry wife. I think employers who can should get off their high horses and let employees work from home one or two days a week. More people are doing it. And who cares if they stop to do something around the house for twenty minutes. If they are getting their work done, that's what matters. We have a lot of dedicated professionals out there. Let's treat them humanely.....and save gas!!!! Humanely, in case you need clarification, means letting them stay home with the kids who are home from school on a day off or home sick. Kids are rarely a distraction when they are too sick to go to school. They just kind of lie there.
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I am in Georgia and as a stay at home mom I don't mind the school closing, think it is very forward thinking on the Governor's part.


Well, lahdeefrickingda, a stay at home mom huh? What if you depend on school as your daycare service? What then? Now these poor people have to find someone to watch their kids or they are forced to miss time and pay staying home from work.

Just kidding, but seriously, this is exactly what many parents were griping about. The disruption of their schedule and figuring out what to do with their kids when they went to work.

Neither my wife or I stay home, but we have a nanny so it really did not affect us. I can imagine it would be difficult for those that do work during school hours.



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Well, I'm not sure if the schools should be the first target for cuts to reduce fuel consumption. I think I would have first looked to all the public employees whose jobs are primarily done on computer and invited them to start doing their jobs at home. I'm even pretty sure a few machines could be scrounged up to let them take home to do the job.

Next I would look to the old "non essential" job list that we hear about in times of the financial squeeze at budget passing time.

Of course, schools do use a huge amount of energy, so there is no reason to count them out of the belt tightening, but there should be a list of priorities for this sort of situation.
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Well, lahdeefrickingda, a stay at home mom huh[/quote

Ha very funny bro

Hey by the way, the libraries here that I mentioned taking in kids took some sharp criticism on the eleven o clock news last night. People didn't read that it was for school age kids so they tried to drop off their younger kids too, pretty crazy since the only reason the library was doing the FREE program was to make up for the schools being closed.

Well, I'm not sure if the schools should be the first target for cuts to reduce fuel consumption.


This was my first thougth too, especially Friday when I first heard it. After much discussion on it here with my neighbors it probaly was the largest fuel cut a state could make in such a short period of time, the governor had great intentions. Also the governor has approved for the whole month of September that the state gas tax be dismissed to relieve some of the burden consumers are bearing at the pump. I don't have any figures on how much that is costing the state but it sure helps all the consumers. Sorry for getting off topic a bit.

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Here in Michigan, I think that the kids HAVE to go for at least 180 days of school. If we have too many snow days, the kids have to go longer into the summer. There's no reason why the Georgia schools can't go a few extra days in June to make up for these days, if missing the days is a problem for the curriculum.

When I worked on databases for a cable company in college, the Quality Control department offered the techs the opportunity to work 4 10 hour days instead of 5 8 hour days, and they also would put two techs in a van. This saved the department a lot of money and the techs loved having the 3 day weekends, particularly since it was in the summer.
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The idea may have been right, but once again Perdue's execution was terrible. Just like a few weeks ago when Gov Perdue announced "Don't panic we're not out of gas" and caused a run on gas (long lines, rationing, and many stations running out) once again Perdue showed total lack of foresight in his most recent debacle. Wait until the end of the day on Friday when all the kids are heading home and day cares are closing up and announce that schools will be closed on Monday and Tuesday. Good thought Gov. Make sure nobody has a chance to find alternative care for their kids.

I'm sure it did save a lot of gas though. Lots of people across the state had to take leave to stay home with their children because there was nowhere else for them to go. But that just points to further lack of foresight. I wonder what the cost to businesses was in lost productivity due to so many absences.

Gov Perdue - ideas without a plan.