Sabrina!~

I'd appreciate if you'd keep your assumptions to yourself. I do NOT have a guilty conscious, NOR do I bully my students.

I don't have to be mature, I'm responsible for no one but myself

No. You don't. And you're not. You're the rudest kind of condescending there is.

If you don't like being held to a higher standard because of the nature of your work, I'd suggest you seriously rethink your career path. Have a nice weekend. Thank you, dharma. She had not even responded here before I made a comment, so why she swooped in with all that hostility is beyond me. I've tried to be helpful to the girl, even trying to talk her into staying in JU when she was threatening to leave. Oh well, like the saying goes, no good deed goes unpunished.

See...you're a passive-agressive martyr. You act like you've bent over backwards, emailed me, made me feel a little better, etc., etc. But no. The only way I could have been deemed "okay" by you is to have followed all of your advice and then sing praises to you because you helped me dig my way out of my deep, deep pit of depression. So now you act like Christ, holier than holy, with all this wrong done to you in all your righteousness, and I'm sorry darling, but that's just not the case.

You make all these assumptions about me--that I bully my children. That I absolutely loathe my great thinkers. That I shove my heel up their asses when they misbehave. I think you even think my high expectations for my students' academic and social performance is just too much.

But here's the reality of it Sabrina: The only things you know about me are what I write on my blog. You only see my outlet of frustration. And you take the frustration to mean so much more than it means. And that is wrong of you.

When I started out last year, I was REALLY wet behind the ears. I didn't know what to do with some of my kids. And you know what? I listened to JUers. I went to my literacy specialist, told her I was drowning, and asked for advice, and took hers. Why? Because she's taught for over 30 years and has her master's degree.

I appreciate all the comments and viewpoints I've gotten, but you don't know my class, don't know their needs, don't know my state and district standards. If I see something useful, I take it to the bank and use it. And I appreciate that.

But your martyrdom, your "poor me...I didn't do ANYTHING....I"m innocent" act isn't useful. Neither are snide comments about "some teachers" smattered about JU. Your condescension isn't useful either. And while you seem to think that *I* think the world and the JU world revolve around me, I argue that the reverse is true.

Because you know who you are? You're DABE in a way. Granted, you're a much better thinker and writer than she is (has she written anything original?), but the way you make assumptions about who people are and what they care about, and the way you carry those assumptions--that's very dabe-ish.

You're a smart woman, Sabrina. And I usually respect you, but not when you play this game.

Well I figured when I saw you say "Certain teachers" lil whip, you were talking about Marcie or I...she probably figured the same because, as the rest of JU knows about your responses on my blog.

Why don't you call it what it is....You assumed something. And "you" know what happens when you "assume" something.

If your child needs an epipen, they should keep it either in the nurses office (open at all times) or if you are in a seperate building, in your desk

And btw ziggy, this comment tells it all. If someone....child OR adult needs an epipen then it's considered "life threatening" and there is NO time to run to a nurses office. My wife is "highly" alergic to bee stings (which is quite common) and I've seen what can happen when she gets stung. According to the doctor, if she doesn't get the shot within 2-3 minutes you might as well forget it. Anything after that is too late. So unless you are a medical doctor (which you aren't, you're a teacher right?) maybe you should refrain from responding to questions like this unless you have first hand knowledge.

Just because your husband is in the military, that is a BIG part of your life and you know a butt load more about it than I do.

Yeah, and I also have... let me see.....7 years experience with the way school districts work. I've got three kids, all of whom attend public school. I've been on the PTA, I've volunteered in their classroom and in the school offices....so whiklst I'm not and educator and I don't know as much about it as you do, I do know more than most.

You assume that I know nothing, Ziggy. You assume that you know more than me, than every parent....and that's your downfall.

You deleted the thread, Marcie. Or is your memory going downhill along with your reading skills?

Yeah, but *I* still have access to it.  What you want to hear from it?  Of course, you will have to "kiss" my "shiny white ass" if you want me to look    Ah.....the way people dig their own pit of despair.  You won't see her responding to your articles.  My shiny white ass got irritated and confined her for awhile.  Shouldn't matter, though, since she already said "goodbye".

For those who don't know where my quotes come from, here is a quote from a response to me from her (on her now deleted article): "And because you're an admin I should kiss your shiny white ass? Screw that shit! I couldn't delete the article because half the time the "delete" option doesn't show up on your shitty ass site. So whatever. You've made assumptions about me UP THE ASS, and you lose credibility that way as well. So...assume all you want. I don't give a fuck." 

Why don't you call it what it is....You assumed something. And "you" know what happens when you "assume" something.

Doc,
I think everyone on JU seems to know about Lil whips utter hatred (despise, angst.. whatever you call it) against us. She manages to think to know what its like inside an elementary classroom and when we write our own views on it, and she doesnt like it...she gets in her flame suit and goes all out. My mention of how I managed my classroom during one issue was transformed into her blaming me of abusing my students. Another topic where I mentioned something sarcastically in a reply, managed to get her to call me everything in the book, saying Im against people who have disabilities. No matter what I do to try and clarify myself, that doesnt matter. She is off to set herself Blog Gog. If any damned bit of what she claims about me would actually be true, I can guarantee you that I wouldnt be allowed anywhere near a classroom OR the disabled kids that Ive been working with for the last 3 weeks.

And btw ziggy, this comment tells it all. If someone....child OR adult needs an epipen then it's considered "life threatening" and there is NO time to run to a nurses office.

I know that. I never said I didnt know that. I said that the epipen should be in the nurses office or in a desk if the classroom is in a portable. By saying that, I didnt say the epipens werent important. Most schools are set up like this as far as from a security standpoint and for the sake of confusion. Never said it was right. If the pen is in the classroom, it might get lost in the panic of what is going on. If a child is outside and get stung and has a severe reaction, the most likely will not be an epipen nearby. Then what would happen is that someone would try and run to the classroom, only to find it locked and they would be spending a considerable amount of time trying to look for the teacher, instead of having it readily avaialable in the nurses office at a moments call where someone can run it to the classroom. As a middle school or high school teacher, the teachers dont have their desks filled with epipens for each student and I highly doubt that the students carry it around with them waiting for an episode to happen. Some do, I think that many dont.

So unless you are a medical doctor (which you aren't, you're a teacher right?) maybe you should refrain from responding to questions like this unless you have first hand knowledge.

No, as you have pointed out...I am not a professional doctor. I am a professional educator. No, I dont have sever allergies. You dont need to have severe allgergies to understand the importance of getting help and aid damn fast. Im trained in what to do in case of situations like that. Im not a doctor, and you as well, are not a educator, so maybe you should refrain from talking like you know it all when it comes to the inner workings of a school.

You assume that you know more than me, than every parent....and that's your downfall.

Once again, never said I know it all. Im just telling you how it actually is. And when people like Locomama start saying we only care about funding, Im going to set it straight. You say you know more than most when it comes to schools. If that is true, and you still believe she is right...then something is messed up.

Schools do care about funding a great deal...but not more than education. Often, the funding they get is not what they need, so they do extra funding to help pay for other various things. Last year, our PTA for whatever reason they had, had the kids selling junk every month. Stuff from poor candies to clothes to student pictures, to class pictures, to computer games to coupon books...etc. Hardly anything of actual value. Finally, the principal said that next year, the school will be in charge of fundraising because the PTA was having the students sell unwanted and unpopular things and keeping the money to let it sit, instead of putting it to use. Its called Fundraising beacuse they need to raise the Funds. NCLB makes a huge impact in how we run the school, but we dont see one flipping dime as we are entitled to. So while schools might seem to care about funding, its because they do...but they NEVER care about it more than the students.

My mention of how I managed my classroom during one issue was transformed into her blaming me of abusing my students. Another topic where I mentioned something sarcastically in a reply, managed to get her to call me everything in the book, saying Im against people who have disabilities.

No, it wasn't just about that.  It wasn't that simple.  I would quote you but it seems that you've hidden or deleted the articles.  I recall you writing about a kid that was in your class, and the way you treated him seemed to me (and to others too) nothing better than bullying.  If you'd have been MY child's teacher and I'd caught wind of the way you were treating the kids...well, I'd have filed a complaint and then asked for my child to be transferred.

You DID look down your nose at people with disabilities.  You wondered aloud how we all managed to sit at computers all day, typing posts for JU, but none of us could work.  When we tried to explain to you how being disabled makes a person unreliable, you belittled our injuries and conditions by telling us how ill YOU are, but that you still managed to hold down a job.

I'm not going to let you come here and act like you're the wronged one, like we're all against you for no good reason at all.  You dug this hole you're in, and you've done little to nothing to help yourself out.  Yeah, you're a teacher, but to hear you talk anyone would think that you have the absolute hardest job in the entire world and that you get paid pennies per hour.  I know that you know more than most people about the way school districts work, but you seem to think that the rest of us are uneducated plebs.  WE can't tell YOU anything about anything, and I think I speak for a lot of people here at JU when I say that we find that most disagreeable. 

I'm tired of fighting with you, Ryan.  I'm sure you're a very nice person behind the arrogance...but you're not giving anyone a chance to see that for themselves.  Some of us DO know more about things than you do, if you'd just drop the pompous self-righteousness I'm sure that you'd do well with most of the people here.

And because you're an admin I should kiss your shiny white ass? Screw that shit! I couldn't delete the article because half the time the "delete" option doesn't show up on your shitty ass site. So whatever. You've made assumptions about me UP THE ASS, and you lose credibility that way as well. So...assume all you want. I don't give a fuck."

Good lord.....I'm awed.  Marcie......the cracks are starting to show, girl.  Get thee to a doctor, and fast.

 

I would quote you but it seems that you've hidden or deleted the articles. I recall you writing about a kid that was in your class, and the way you treated him seemed to me (and to others too) nothing better than bullying. If you'd have been MY child's teacher and I'd caught wind of the way you were treating the kids...well, I'd have filed a complaint and then asked for my child to be transferred.

Dharma...its there...I havent looked for it...but I havent deleted it. Maybe it was a reply of mine that got built up upon.

Either way, I was talking about how I took care of a situation where a student broke something of of mine and would not fess up to it. It seems that the general consensus on here is that I should have confronted him, allowing him to 'get caught' by me, instead of what I did which was make him be accountable for his actions. I held the class inside our room and did not allow restroom passes (although I did), and I became more stern with the students than normal. I did this for a couple of reasons. 1) I talked to the class and told them how I expected them to be grown up enough to be responsible for their actions. 2), I wanted this student to realize that he was not getting out of this situation until he told me what he did. After a short time, the student who broke it, came up and talked to me. We shook hands and the situation was resolved.

Now, there was no abuse. If there was, I wouldnt be working as a teacher. If the parents had a problem with it, I sure would have heard about it. Not a peep. "yeah but your students were probably emotionally scarred and scared of you" No. Im one of the most easygoing people out there and my students can tell from me and the energy I have.

The students werent in the classroom any longer than normal. We covered the same subjects we normally did and learned the same amount. It was just quieter. Filing a complaint would get you short of nowhere because nothing happened. All in all, I held someone accountable for their actions. As far as transferring, yeah...nope. You would need a good reason and everything I did was something that was fully....not a big issue. And you would need the permission of the administration and mine as well.

I DID NOT look down at people with disabilities.

You dug this hole you're in, and you've done little to nothing to help yourself out.

Does this count the countless times Ive tried to clarify myself on my own blog only to get shot down further? Ive tried God knows how many times to explain my feelings on those who are disabled, but to no avail. No matter what I say, for however long I say it...people always point to my remarks and say '''''oooooh but lookie here, you said that, so that MEANS you are a SATANISTIC PIG, IGNORANT, DISABLED PEOPLE HATER!"

Yeah, you're a teacher, but to hear you talk anyone would think that you have the absolute hardest job in the entire world and that you get paid pennies per hour.

Dharma, I never said I was the richest. I never said I was the poorest. I have said however that we dont get paid quite what you seem to think we do. I have thoroughly explained this.

I know that you know more than most people about the way school districts work, but you seem to think that the rest of us are uneducated plebs.

Also, never said that either. The issue is when people who have little time in a district (oh, but Ive been in little Jimmys room as a helper....oh but I have children, in schools...so I know alot!) and dont know the vast inner workings of it as well as the teachers do...then I have to dig my heels in and set the record straight. Its like listening to Rush Limbaugh. All the blame is on the Democrats, the liberals...not ONE single thing can be the fault of the republican party. Im the guy on this side of the fence saying "oh for petes sake, people actually believe this line of crap?" There was a guy on here who argued with me left and right, saying that NCLB helped his Sped child out. He wouldnt listen. The plain and simple fact is that NCLB is not for special education students. Only recently has it been revised slightly to help accomodate some special ed issues. NCLB is not a sped law, such as ADA or
IDEA that provide funding and assistance for sped. But still...he didnt care...he still said NCLB helped him out. The fact is, no matter how you look at it, NCLB did not help his child. The same thing happens here, people think one thing about education....which often times can be false. Since I tend to know alot about education, I simply feel the need to set things right.

LW, why dont you post the link as well to my original article so yes, that people can judge for themselves. I am writing a blog entry as well, but that most likely will get me nowhere.

I was going to write a reply to Dharma about the disability issue, but I decided not to. That and I knew you were going to use that quote you just used as it is one that you use quite often against me.

How about this?

I don't think anyone without children of their own should be allowed to teach.

It doesn't matter how much formal education they get or what experience they have babysitting, doing student teaching, substitute teaching, or managing their own classroom.

There is NO WAY that you can possibly know enough about the nature of children, how to motivate them, what their fears are, what their emotional needs are, how to engage them, how to comfort them, how to provide for them logistically, how to nurture them, how to instruct them, or how to discipline them without having one of your own.

You can't love a child the way a parent does unless you understand it from experience. You can't show interest in a child's life, abilities, weaknesses, goals, and fears without first having attempted to guide one of your own.

You simply cannot understand the mind of a child unless you have actually experienced what it's like to try to raise one.

You CAN'T know how to teach a child unless you have one of your OWN. You will never reach the level of knowledge about children that dharma has, no matter how many years you spend in the classroom.

She has you trumped. Period.

There is NO WAY that you can possibly know enough about the nature of children, how to motivate them, what their fears are, what their emotional needs are, how to engage them, how to comfort them, how to provide for them logistically, how to nurture them, how to instruct them, or how to discipline them without having one of your own.

I never said a parent knows less than a teacher. A teacher without kids doesnt know as much as a parent, that is true. It is also true that a parent doesnt know as much as a teacher that works with kids day in and day out for years and years. There is a great amount of information that can ONLY be gained in each setting. A parent knows alot about their childs abilities and everything at home. A teacher knows alot about that same childs abilities in school as well, and they also learn alot more through testing, peer interactions...etc.

No, im not saying im the ALMIGHTY. But as teachers, we can often see stuff parents dont. I picked out a kid last year who had a vision problem their parents didnt see. I picked out another kid who had a rare mental condition. I picked out kids with allergies, kids with asthma.

Parents spend time with their one, two or three children and yes, they do learn alot. There is nothing that replaces it.

On the other hand, there is also nothing that replaces babysitting, doing student teaching, substitute teaching, managing a classroom...working year after year with 20-30 different kids.

There is the knowlege of being a parent, and there is the knowlege of being a teacher. Neither is better than the other, neither can be switched for the other. Until I become a parent, Dharma will surely have a higher level of knowledge about children...at home. Until she becomes a fully qualified, trained, licensed, contracted educator, with years of experience in a classroom setting, she will never reach the level of knowledge we have as teachers.

She has me trumped...when it comes to being a parent. I have her trumped when it comes to being a teacher.

Ziggy: I was being facetious. What I said to YOU in that post is what you've said to PARENTS in yours.

How about this? I don't think anyone without children of their own should be allowed to teach.

That is it on the nose! Have some points!

TW,
Then, I apologize. I read it differently.

Whip,
As far as I can remember, I have never made any comment about disabled people, prior to my book on foot comment. After I made that remark, you got all riled up. Youd take what Id say, accuse me of being against those who are disabled. Id clarify, and youd go off even more.

You and he are FAR from being the only teachers blogging here on JU, and while it's no secret that I find Ryan to be utterly devoid of empathy for his fellow man

Im not going to drop it until you come to the realization that all these accusations you are making against me about hating my own students, being abusive, and what you THINK my attitude about disabled people is, are completely wrong. The plain and simple fact lil whip is that the things that you say about me are just totally false and until that point comes where we reach an agreement on that, I will not stop. I simply will not allow you to continue your own little tirade and let my side, the actual truth, go unvoiced. Although, I did let you continue once (out of force)...mainly because you started your own blog post on the disabled ,using all of my quotations to make a flame blog and then blacklisted Marcie and myself after a while from making comments so I could have my side of the story defended and voiced.

Quit acting like I went off the deep end over a single remark you made

That's the crux of the matter right there.  it's NOT about a single comment you made, it's about NUMEROUS comments you made, and are still making. 

 

Im not going to drop it until you come to the realization that all these accusations you are making against me about hating my own students, being abusive, and what you THINK my attitude about disabled people is, are completely wrong

Yeah, you are.  You are here, anyway.  Here's the way it's going to work:  you post any more comments about how we're all wrong and you're right and I'll delete them and blacklist you.  You can go posture and flex on your own blog, I don't want any more of it here.  This was an article about children being treated poorly and somewhat unfairly by the local school district, this isn't a 'Ziggy Knows Best' thread.

We are only going on what you tell us, Ziggy.  YOU made the statements (and you made them repeatedly), NOT us.  We're not putting words in your mouth.

Of course, you will have to "kiss" my "shiny white ass" if you want me to look

Shiny?

-- B

She has me trumped...when it comes to being a parent. I have her trumped when it comes to being a teacher.

You know something? It's arrogant, know-it-all bigots (see below for the definition used here) that made my decision to homeschool a lot easier.

I've seen bigots like you over the last 25 years. From the time I entered elementary school, I was in classrooms that had bigots like you for teachers. I've volunteered in classrooms (and in administration offices) with bigots like you. My mother has been a professional educator for years. Dealing with her coworkers (some who were very professional), I ran into a bunch of people who were bigots, like you. Working as a substitute teacher for the local school system (one year), I ran into bigots like you on a regular basis.

Can you tell me, an experienced educator, that I have know idea of the politics going on inside a school? Forsooth and forshame. You're parroting the NEA line.

If your arrogance and bigotry here is anything close to what you display in a classroom environment (to the students or parents), it's a wonder that the kids can tolerate you, at all.

Just because a person currently works as a professional educator, doesn't mean that they know more than others. I've seen too many "professional" educators that are completely clueless about how things work in the school system, and too many "outsiders" (read: parents) that actually understand what's going on very well.

big·ot n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

It's arrogant, know-it-all bigots (see below for the definition used here) that made my decision to homeschool a lot easier.

*stands up, cheering and clapping* YES!!!!!! Preach it!!!!

If your arrogance and bigotry here is anything close to what you display in a classroom environment (to the students or parents), it's a wonder that the kids can tolerate you, at all.

If he were my child's teacher, I'd have pulled my kid out of his class. As a matter of fact, it's a teacher who has much the same philosophy as him that's my main issue with the school disctrict right now. She thinks that I don't know anything either.....

She has me trumped...when it comes to being a parent. I have her trumped when it comes to being a teacher.

You don't have ME trumped in EITHER, ziggy...just for the record.

And, frankly, I'd venture to say Tex knows more than a little about the teaching profession...so I'd take her word for a lot of it over yours, frankly.

As for dharma, I can't speak for her credentials, but she's pretty much been right on on these discussions.

Sorry, but there are a whole LOT of people out there with WAY more experience than the two of you COMBINED...in both teaching AND parenting. A little humility really wouldn't hurt you, ziggy.

And, frankly, I'd venture to say Tex knows more than a little about the teaching profession...so I'd take her word for a lot of it over yours, frankly.

Yeah, Tex has some qualifications that she DOESN'T feel the need to rub people's faces in.

As for dharma, I can't speak for her credentials, but she's pretty much been right on on these discussions.

I'm not a certified teacher, but that doesn't mean that I'm green and naive when it comes to the workings of school districts. It also doesn't mean that I'm a novice when it comes to dealing with groups of children together, kids that are NOT mine.

A little humility really wouldn't hurt you, ziggy.

I think that Ziggy has some huge isues with inadequacy. That's why he feels the need to play the big "I AM" all the time.

**Dharma, please note that for some reason...my last few lines at the bottom seem, to me on my side, to be caps. I dont know why that is...didnt do a caps lock or font change on my side. **

That's the crux of the matter right there. it's NOT about a single comment you made, it's about NUMEROUS comments you made, and are still making.

Then if this is the case as you claim...how come my numerous attempts to clarify myself and set the record straight havent done jack? Its started from one single comment, go back and read it...it snowballed from there. If you can prove that I said one thing about disabled people before my book comment, then prove me wrong. If you can prove that the whole disabled comment did not start from that comment and LW, then also...prove me wrong.

Just because a person currently works as a professional educator, doesn't mean that they know more than others. I've seen too many "professional" educators that are completely clueless about how things work in the school system, and too many "outsiders" (read: parents) that actually understand what's going on very well.

Chaos...I once again, never said I know it all. Im certainly not trying to be on a pedastal. The only time I get defensive about education is when people blatently starting tell me how the school system works when they arent even involved in it. Involved meaning, working inside of it...not volunteering or helping out. Simply put, as a teacher...I know more about education than a parent does. A parent knows more than I do about many various things. I never said Im a better parent than a childs parent. But when people come on here and start saying totally false statements...then I give my side of the story from a educators perspective.

Time after time, when I comment on how I do something, I get torn apart. Id love to see these people try to manage a class for one day in a school setting. Right now, im subbing in the local high school. What is your classroom managment plan when kids come to class late, and dont care? What would you do hen a student comes up to you and says "FUCK YOU" and walks out. What would you do if a student told you they cheated, copied off someone elses homework and simply didnt care because 'Im going to flunk anyways?'

"Well easy, Id make them get a tardy slip, Id ask them to apologize...Id give them a zero and give them a pep talk about how school is so important." Yeah right. The problem is Im being told by backseat teachers how to do my job. BUT, when I as a teacher offer anything of importance from my side of the fence...I get shot down from people who are not teachers. I have umpteen people telling me how I should do my job or this or that...these same people who have no idea what its like in a classroom outside of volunteering; or substitute teachers whose only job it is (most of the time), is to go in, teach, or do what the teacher wants, and leave...with no responsibilities outside of that.

If I was a fraction as bad of a teacher as some of you claim, then I would certainly had parents like you who would make sure Im no longer teaching. I get evaluated multiple times a year to make sure Im doing a job...by people whos job it is to find my mistakes and point them out. There is a reason Im probationary...because if I didnt fix my issues, they could let me go...which occurs more often than youd think.

Sorry, but there are a whole LOT of people out there with WAY more experience than the two of you COMBINED...in both teaching AND parenting. A little humility really wouldn't hurt you, ziggy.

I know that. I once again, never said I know everything. I just know more about education than many parents out there that think they have the system figured out. I know as well that Im a brand new teacher and I have a lot to learn...but I simply draw the line when people say things that are false about schools. My mother has been teaching for 39 years. She is one of the most tenured people in her district; she is high up there in her standing with the union, fighting for the rights of the teachers. I hear the good AND ugly of the school system...some of which you wouldnt even believe. I have made it a point to learn from my mother and from my previous teachers to be the best teacher I can be; and on here...my comments, not actual obvservations of my classroom...have garnered me insult after insult of my ability to teach. If I knew anyone of you were in my area, Id in a heartbeat, invite you to come into my classroom. But then that would mean that youd actually see how I run my room, how I treat my kids, and what kind of person I am...but that invitation standing...I dont feel Id get one taker.

Yeah, Tex has some qualifications that she DOESN'T feel the need to rub people's faces in.

I dont rub it in either. I just talk about how I am qualified and use the knowledge, education...etc that I have to make my point. That eduation I have, doesnt replace being a parent. But, on the same hand, being a parent and raising kids, does not make you more able, capable, qualified to be a teacher. Many teachers out there are NOT qualified to teach...only teaching on a voucher.

I think that Ziggy has some huge isues with inadequacy
Nope. Im Italian.

Anyone else who wants to see the issue discussed can visit the link I posted and decide for themselves.

Well yeah...if I ripped into people big time, started my own blog entry and blacklisted that person from posting...Id want people to see my one sided entry that only allowed my voice to be heard as well, compared to the actual full schpeal.

Don't forget, either, that you are on DHARMA's blog right now--and if she wants you to stop, then stop you will. At least here. Then that would be, not your choice then, wouldnt it. As far as I know...Marcie and I are the only vocal teachers on JU. We give our stories, our sides and opinions. Thats all Im doing. You Blacklisted us, Karma (the "Admin") blacklisted us as well. If Dharma wants to stop me from replying and making my side of the profession heard, then so be it.

As far as I know...Marcie and I are the only vocal teachers on JU.

Just a note: Lobsterhunter, InBloom, Myrrander, lostintexas, alisonwatkins, and Leaping Lizard all are, or have been, classroom teachers.

All but one of those (lostintexas) have written articles about the profession. Whether or not you consider them "vocal", you might want to look at their sites and check out what they've had to say (and what others have had to say to them).

Not only did you respond NINE times, each and every one of them was a freaking epistle, paragraph after paragraph of repetition, denial, and irrelevant personal details.

Yeah, I know you have a problem with my replies. Keep forgetting to simplify it. I do tend to lengthen things out because I give examples many times to prove my point. Id give an example here, but that would lengthen this out..and thats obviously a no-no. Reptition, yes; I kept repeating myself trying to set the record straight despite your attacking of my persona. Denial; well yeah, duh. Of course Im going to deny things that are untrue about me. Personal details; so I cant give out information or examples that help prove my point? Man, it sounds like basically, if I say something that you want to go off on, that I should basically just not even bother replying and let you do whatever tickles your fancy.

But what you just said there is an outright LIE.

Hey there, welcome to my world.

You were given ample chance to express yourself, and when you did, you disgusted us ALL so much that I finally gave you the boot.

er...or you could change that to "you were given ample chance to express yourself, and when you kept on insisting you were not against disabled people and that my various comments about you being abusive...etc were far from being correct, I gave you the boot."

But you just keep on and on and on, ziggy,

Because you think you are right about the way that I teach and how I am based on some things I have written. I didnt intend to hijack Dharmas thread (and I apologize Dharma if I did). Im certainly not trying to make it about me. But I am trying to make myself clear, and that is that I am not the person that you present me to be. I cant even make a post about education related issues with out some derogative comment from you...

it's no secret that I find Ryan to be utterly devoid of empathy for his fellow man, as well as one of the most consistently childish 'adults' I've ever seen express themselves here,

Id like to comment on eduacation related topics (Dharma I see has some others) so I can give the teachers side (both good and bad), but that doesnt seem possible without getting jumped on.

Just a note: Lobsterhunter, InBloom, Myrrander, lostintexas, alisonwatkins, and Leaping Lizard all are, or have been, classroom teachers.

TW, you are right. I dont know the other teacher bloggers on here (outside of Myrr responding to some of my blogs). I meant vocal in the context of focusing mostly on education issues and replying to others blogs from a teachers point. A majority of Marcies blogs were education related, as are many of mine; and Id say that whenever we see a blog on education issues, then we usually respond to it.