Language (crude) and every-day life, must we hear it?

I was reading through The Washington Times this evening and hit the Family Times section. There-in was an article that reminded me of my visit to the ball park yesterday with my son. My son isn't that young any more, and he's certainly heard his share of foul language (and uttered his share as well), but I've tried over the years to remind him to be respectful with his language, and not toss around foul and vulgar language at every opportunity.

While sitting at the game (sadly, watching our favorite team lose), we were sitting next to a family with a young girl in their group. Best guess, the young girl was probably between 10 and 13. I really don't estimate ages that well (I'd never make it as an age / weight guesser at a carnival), but that's not the point. Beside the young girl beside us, there were also several younger people behind us, as well as a few in the rows in front of us.

Things were fine for everyone until a group of late arriving college aged young people showed up and took seats in the row behind us. At that point, the beer fueled young people decided to show everyone around them what a great mastery of the English language they have. Or at least what a great mastery of about six 4 letter words they have.

As noted above, I'm certainly no prude. I've used a ton of "colorful" language myself. I can curse with the best of them, and use language that would embarass an old grizzled Marine at times. My son is much the same. But between the two of us, I could tell that my son was less than impressed with the behavior and language of the group behind us.

Getting back to the article that reminds me of the issue, the 'Then Again...' column of the Times (by Marybeth Hicks) deals with the same issue. Read on for a snippet, and click the link to read the entire article.




Mother swears there will be no more cussing

The canopy of cool, green leaves overhead offered a welcome umbrella from the late afternoon sun. I stood against a tree waiting to cheer on my two high school runners as they competed in their first cross-country meet of the season.
Then, emerging from a well-worn dirt path came two teenage idiots.
This probably sounds judgmental. I try hard not to make sweeping generalizations about people. So I wasn't about to draw any unfair conclusions about them just because they looked scruffy, had cigarettes dangling from their lips and soft-pack coolers slung over their shoulders.
In fact, I didn't just judge these boys by their appearance, or because they were playing "disk golf" -- a game that looks a lot like "hit a tree with a Frisbee" -- while, all around them, more than 100 other teens exuded health and fitness by participating in a 3.1-mile running race.
The basis of my conclusion was this: The teen "disk golfers" emerged onto the path in the woods to play the next "hole" of their game. Just before they could fling a disk toward its target, the crowd of spectators yelled "runners" to clear the path -- and keep the golfer-teens from being trampled by a herd of approaching racers.
Apparently this annoyed said "golfers" because they shouted back something about it being a public park, and their retort included an expletive heard most often in rap and hip-hop music and sometimes in the halls of Congress.
Did I mention there were children lining the path to cheer on their older siblings? And grandparents? And others who find it uncomfortable, at best, when people drop an obscenity in public, loudly enough to reverberate through the trees and create a verbal mushroom cloud billowing upward toward the heavens?
It seemed all of us shook our heads in unison at the selfish, uncouth behavior. I thought to myself, "Idiots." Thankfully, at about this moment the first of the cross-country runners appeared from around the bend. If there was more swearing, it was drowned out by the enthusiastic screams of support from the families and friends of the racers.
{ snip }
If nothing else, the explosive language I heard from the "disk golfer" reminded me why it's important to teach my son that regardless of the messages our culture sends about casual cussing, it's still offensive and thoughtless. Swearing inappropriately -- not to mention brash guttural outbursts -- will cause people to conclude he's an idiot.
Of course, there are many more reasons to reassert a more respectable vocabulary than simply to avoid making a bad impression. Careful speech is a way to demonstrate respect for those around us. Worse, constant cussing seems to promote a coarse and caustic attitude.



... more at linked article

And there-in (in the last few sentences at the end of the clipping) is what I've tried to instill in my son over the years and what I've tried to suggest (politely if possible) at times to some others here at Joe User.

Communication is best done with real words, and respectful language, not colorful epitaphs that just become noise that everyone tunes out.
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---- yeah! Right ----ing on!!!
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As a parent, I couldn't care less about cussing. I don't see cussing very much on network TV, but I see sexism, insubstantial atitudes, shallow vanity, and a host of other things I deem far more destructive. Paris Hilton being allowed on TV, much less being LAUDED on TV, is more destructive to a child than profanity.

Given the choice, I'd rather my child hear the F word once or twice an hour than to see a TAG bodyspray commercial once a week. I think all you do when you limit language is cause people to disguise their sickness even more.

There's no "f" word in those body spray ads, but that is all they are about. I'd rather it be called what it is. An image of a woman walking out of a dressing room with the imprint of a hanger on her back screams "f" word, whether it is said or not. In the process, it creates a horrible image of women who screw based upon a smell...

I don't oppose the spirit of what you are saying, terpfan, I just think they say the same things all the time using "appropriate" words. It isn't the words that are the problem, it is the ideas behind them.
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You have a valid point in the examples you make Baker, and you could certainly add on a bunch of other commercials as well (including Cialis, Tampax, Summer's Eve, and a batch of others).

Still, it seems that some people have to push the envelop no matter where, and no matter when. Would those same individuals stand in front of their own parents, or worse, their grandparents as an example and use that language? Would they object if someone stood up and told them to just shut the f--- up, or f--- you and such? Would they be unhappy if someone cursed their grandparents with the same language?
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Really, though, what controlled that behavior before? Was it propriety, or the fear of getting smacked in the mouth? I remember an article, I think by Gideon, about how we don't have the right to pop someone who speaks to us in that fashion. So, you can say basically anything, and you can't do anything to prevent anyone from saying anything.

I don't think caustic attitudes are promoted by cussing, I think cussing is a symptom of nihilistic, caustic attitudes. I have one, I don't deny it. I have a bleak sense of futility, and when it really feels like nothing I say matters, well, nothing I say matters to me, either. I know for a fact that my own feelings of social impotence cause me to act up. No one listens, no one cares, people can dump on you and you just have to take it. That venom has to come out some way.

We've worked our asses off in the US for the last 50 years to squash and eradicate every system of social values. We've elevated freedom of speech to an insane level, and reduced personal responsibility to the point that it is non-existant.

I'd be willing to bet that 50% of the reason people didn't usually say "Go F**k yourself" 50 years ago was because they feared physical reprisals. A good portion of the remainder was because people were in fear enough that they were respectful and didn't give others that much reason TO say "Go F**K yourself".

For instance, go to your local, smelly dive bar, pick the nastiest group of people in the place, and have a conversation about politics. When one of them differs, gauge the chances of you telling him to "F**k yourself". Progressives can say what they like, but I don't think they'd feel free to say it, either, and it wouldn't be out of a sense of propriety.
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See, there was a time when someone would have turned, slapped the infantile idiots across the face and reminded them what acceptable behavior in public is all about. Now, in our more "enlightened" age, the most offensive vermin who oozes across the earth gets to set the standard everyone else must put up with. yeah, that's who we should be letting set our standards for us.
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You have a valid point in the examples you make Baker, and you could certainly add on a bunch of other commercials as well (including Cialis, Tampax, Summer's Eve, and a batch of others).


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