Windows Vista Editions revealed

Microsoft to ISVs: Wipe them out, all of them?

http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/47665/47665.html?Ad=1

Windows IT Pro has apparently learned that Microsoft is about to announce the specific editions of Windows Vista.

First there's Windows Vista Starter Edition which is essentially a crippled version that only allows for a few apps to be run and is designed for "emerging" markets.  We'll code-name this version as "let's see how bad we can look compared to Linux which is free and isn't crippled"

Then there's Windows Vista Home Basic Edition.  This version is equivalent to Windows XP Home of today.

There's also Windows Vista Home Premium Edition: This is like Windows XP Pro of today but with more consumer oriented features.

There's also Windows Vista Pro Edition. This is similar to the Home Premium Edition but without the consumer goodies.

And there's also Windows Vista Small Business Edition which includes "pre-paid" access to Microsoft Office Live and other Microsoft-specific services.  We'll code-name this version as "DOJ Reactivation Edition"

Moving on there's Windows Vista Enterprise Edition which is like Small Business Edition but also has a host of intensive security features.  We'll call this the "Eliminate vertical ISV edition and monopoly enhancement version"

And then finally, best of all we have Windows Vista Ultimate Edition.  This version could be summed up as "Some Microsoft interns scoured the net, saw a bunch of programs that look popular and now MS is going to try bundling them with the OS because it'll make them feel cool".  We'll code-name this version as "Linux ISV migration Edition".  Apparently someone at Microsoft is envious of MacOS and it's 3% marketshare and thinks that the best way to lower Windows's long-term market share is to emulate Apple's ISV strategy.

This version apparently has all the features of Premium and Pro plus features such as a "Game Performance Tweaker", Pdocast creation utility, an iTunes store like feature, Movie downloads, Onlight Spotlight, Custom Themes.

Now at first glance, some people might say "Hey wow great! Microsoft is bundling more stuff with the OS! That's terrific!"  And more stuff is very good for consumers -- in the short term.  But in the long term, it kills innovation.  It's these very same third parties who come up with cool stuff that Microsoft eventually bundles in.  And here's the kicker -- once bundled in, it never gets updated. Innovation ends.

In the late 90s, "Push technology" was getting interesting. There was a technology called PointCast that was up and coming.  So Microsoft throws in an half-assed PointCast clone in Windows 98, kills PointCast.  Now, "Active Desktop" is essentially gone.  For years, Stacker and other disk compression programs were moving leaps and bounds forward. Then Microsoft bundled that with the OS. Killed them off and hasn't touched it since.  The compression we have today in NTFS is ancient, inefficient, and often not used. Why improve it?  For awhile, grammar checking was improving in leaps and bounds.  Then Microsoft bundled a half-assed version in with Office killing off the third party Grammar checking developers.  Grammar checking hasn't been updated in any meaningful way since. (and based on the emails I receive, it's sorely needed! <g>).  ZIP was integrated with the OS with Windows XP (and before but not to the same extent).  Has it been updated? Nope.   Microsoft bundled MS Movie Maker with the OS.  They updated it some just after release but it's not progressed much since.  Meanwhile, the third-party video editing market has been lost to consumers (even we use MS Movie Maker for our stuff because it's "good enough").

But by bundling these things, they take away the incentive for third-parties to kee updating the technology.  Third parties can compete with what's bundled to a certain extent but there's a threshold where the ISVs either have to go work on something else or go to a different platform (such as Linux which sees more and more ISVs moving to it because of competition from Microsoft). 

Some naive users think Microsoft's bundled stuff is "better" than third party versions.  You see this in forums all the time.  The only difference between the two is bundled is..well bundled, it ships on the CD rather than requiring a download. 

So while a Podcast creation utility is nice in the short term, it takes away the incentive, in this emerging area, for third parties to make more sophisticaed podcasting software. But why bother if the bulk of users would be satisfied with the "free" version.  That's just one examle, the whole "Online" club services are another example.  Imagine if Microsoft included a direct, part of the OS mechanism for people to get more themes, skins, icons, wallpapers for Windows? It took you to some MS site where you could download them.  Why bother going to a WinCustomize? The same is true of many other types of websites, services, etc. 

Microsoft needs to remember is that one of the reasons why it has 95% of the market and the Mac has 3% of the market is that Microsoft, for a long while, didn't leverage their OS monopoly blatantly to compete with its ISV partners.  Mac ISVs have to contend with Apple bundling everything with the Mac. When Apple decided to compete with Konfabulator by bundling Dashboard with the OS, the result was Konfabulator for the PC.  What Microsoft's bundling mania is ultimately doing, and you can already see this, is drive ISVs to Linux.  Microsoft, in effect, is creating their own OS competitors. 

And in the meantime, consumers suffer unknowingly because they're stuck using the half-abandoned bundled stuff that Microsoft threw into the OS on a lark years earlier that managed to kill off third party innovation. 

I hope Microsoft really thinks carefully about these myriad versions of Windows Vista.  Because this time around, we're not talking about Microsoft squashing some shareware author, they're going after increasing chunks of Symantec, CA, Adobe, and many other large companies (strangely, Microsoft never sees fit to bundle an office productivity suite... it's almost as if they know what the effect of bundling after all -- when it's their stuff they'd be competing with). 

Companies that specialize on their core competencies are usually going to do better than Microsoft.  Microsoft should quit looking at what to bundle and focus on making a stable, reliable OS that improves on the kinds of technologies that only the OS vendor can put in.

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Reply #1 Top
Great article Brad!

Doing a good job shining the light on the stuff that "normal" users
don't think about and much less care about.

Many thanks.
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I don't usualy read any news that comes up on any home page, but the word "Vista" catched my eyes. I wanted to know what the new platform will be like, and started reading this article. I never thought about everything you said, but still, I believe you have a point there. Thanx for the 'eye-opener'.

Shaun, (South-Africa)
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Will Object Desktop programs work with Vista? (WindowBlinds, DesktopX, Enhanced Dialog, ObjectDock etc...)
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Will Object Desktop programs work with Vista? (WindowBlinds, DesktopX, Enhanced Dialog, ObjectDock etc...)

They should.  WindowBlinds, DesktopX, and IconPackger should directly benefit from Vista.  Enhanced Dialog we don' t know.  ObjectDock probably won't be affected either way.

Reply #7 Top
Hi Edawan!

"ISV" usually means Independent Software Vendor.

And remember, there are no stupid questions only stupid answers.
Reply #8 Top
Thanks Brad.
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Nice article Brad. I totally agree with you on these topics. Please make our voice heard when you go see these guys. I often find that MS doesn't know how to bundle stuff very well anyway. I always buy third party software to do my chores. MS needs to focus on a superb and stable OS that we can be proud to say we run Windows! Can't wait to read your findings!
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Imagine if Microsoft included a direct, part of the OS mechanism for people to get more themes, skins, icons, wallpapers for Windows? It took you to some MS site where you could download them. Why bother going to a WinCustomize? The same is true of many other types of websites, services, etc.



Personally, I would still come to Wincustomize, if ever that became the case, because MS is fairly set in its ways and would offer rather limited content...whereas WC offers such diversity on a wide spectrum of user interfaces, and so much more

And in the meantime, consumers suffer unknowingly because they're stuck using the half-abandoned bundled stuff that Microsoft threw into the OS on a lark years earlier that managed to kill off third party innovation.


Whilst it is true that MS bundling various applications with its OS' can cause them to become developmenally redundant, let's hope it can be said that discerning and power users will, by demand, encourage or enforce the larger ISV's to continue being innovative in development and design. Companies such as JASC and Adobe have strong footholds in the market, almost cult-like followings, so MS is unlikely to be able swallow or bury them by bundling anything that could or even would compare with PSP and the like. Smaller developers, however, may fall by the wayside and get squashed by the juggernaut.....let's just hope that the majority find alternative IT employment, other than at MS to further strengthen the titan's grip.
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In the late 90s, "Push technology" was getting interesting. There was a technology called PointCast that was up and coming. So Microsoft throws in an half-assed PointCast clone in Windows 98, kills PointCast.



I'd never heard of PointCast until this article but it seems that PointCast didn't get killed by Microsoft but by various other factors. And Apparently, Microsoft didn't bundle a PointCast clone but the PointCast application itself.


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For awhile, grammar checking was improving in leaps and bounds. Then Microsoft bundled a half-assed version in with Office killing off the third party Grammar checking developers. Grammar checking hasn't been updated in any meaningful way since. (and based on the emails I receive, it's sorely needed!


First, Office isn't part of Windows or bundled with the Os. Second, are you suggesting that Microsoft should have never included grammar checking in Office? That's absurd. Grammar checking is a very very basic feature that every advanced word processor should have. In fact, every application with text entry should have grammar and spell checking.


ZIP was integrated with the OS with Windows XP (and before but not to the same extent). Has it been updated? Nope.


Updated to what? What features should Microsoft have added? ZIP compression is another (fairly open) internet standard and should be included with every OS. One shouldn't have to download shareware to view ZIP files, and more than one should have to use shareware (or freeware) to view txt or rtf files. Because ZIP is a fairly open file format, ZIP programs compete on more advanced feature sets and Microsoft only includes basic ZIP functionality (but still fairly complete) so that those programs can still exist while allowing consumers the ability to do basic zip operations.

Microsoft bundled MS Movie Maker with the OS. They updated it some just after release but it's not progressed much since. Meanwhile, the third-party video editing market has been lost to consumers (even we use MS Movie Maker for our stuff because it's "good enough").



You use Windows Movie Maker because it's better than just about anything else under $40 (for PC). Have you looked at the video editing software that comes with most PC's and camcorders? They suck for average people. Sony has their own movie software and it's largely garbage. Sony offers Premiere LE and Premiere 6.5/Pro on their machines and that is far too complicated and pricey. Pinnacle dominates the low-end video editing market and their software has always been super buggy and crappy. Only recently have Premiere Elements and products based on Sony Vegas come out and proven to be solid and of decent quality. The low-end video editing market was horrible when WMM came out and i many ways still is... Microsoft filled an obvious void that no one else was able to fill until recently. And all along, you have to remember that Microsoft doesn't determine the configuration that most people get, OEM's do. That's why Dell computers ship with Premiere Elements, Sony's with Movieshaker, and others with other video editors. Microsoft didn't hurt anyone with a decent product by releasing movie maker with Windows ME/XP.

So while a Podcast creation utility is nice in the short term, it takes away the incentive, in this emerging area, for third parties to make more sophisticated podcasting software.


I agree on this point because Podcast creation is not something I consider a "core function" like word processing, basic video editing, basic photography tools etc. so Microsoft is overstepping their bounds here but I'm not even aware of any Podcasting tools so I'm not against Microsoft bundling one with their Premium OS. It would be another matter if they bundled this stuff with their basic OS (Vista Home) but Microsoft should be able to create the OS of their choosing (with all the bundled software they want) as long as they offer it as an option and not the standard that is forced upon the world.
That's just one examle, the whole "Online" club services are another example. Imagine if Microsoft included a direct, part of the OS mechanism for people to get more themes, skins, icons, wallpapers for Windows? It took you to some MS site where you could download them. Why bother going to a WinCustomize? The same is true of many other types of websites, services, etc.


If the Online Spotlight is anything like the one in Media Center 2005, WMP10, and on the Xbox then WinCustomize will be able to appear there too. The Online Spotlight is basically just an advertisement for third-party vendors and ISV's so I don't see what you're complaining about. In fact, isn't Microsoft opening up the theme engine by not requiring users to hack uxtheme.dll so that Stardock and others can have an easier time getting users to use themes? Just the fact that they are opening up the theme engine to other ISV's means a lot more than them providing a link to Microsoft supplied themes. This can only help Wincustomize.

Microsoft needs to remember is that one of the reasons why it has 95% of the market and the Mac has 3% of the market is that Microsoft, for a long while, didn't leverage their OS monopoly blatantly to compete with its ISV partners. Mac ISVs have to contend with Apple bundling everything with the Mac. When Apple decided to compete with Konfabulator by bundling Dashboard with the OS, the result was Konfabulator for the PC. What Microsoft's bundling mania is ultimately doing, and you can already see this, is drive ISVs to Linux. Microsoft, in effect, is creating their own OS competitors.


Apple is doing something completely different from the examples you gave. Apple bundled Sherlock, Lightswitch, and Dashboard with their OS by making nearly bit-for-bit copies of third party products. They basically wiped out two of those products. Microsoft hasn't done that. They didn't wipe out any ZIP products, they didn't wipe out any video editors, and they didn't wipe out any theme sites nor did they provide bit for bit copies of other products. In fact, the reason they gave for not updating Outlook Express or IE6 was to not kill off third-party products like Maxthon, Avant Browser, Eudora, Thunderbird, and Firefox. In the end, all people did was complain that they didn't bundle a better product with Windows. If they bundle something great with Windows then you say they're killing ISV's, if they bundle something crappy (IE) then you say they aren't progrssing, and if they don't bundle anything at all then people say they are lagging behind. What Microsoft has choosen to do is to make a Premium and optional version of Windows that has all the things they would like to bundle while making the main version of Windows relatively free of that kind of software to promote third-party software. If you want the Microsoft bundled stuff then you pay extra for it (and it's a choice not the default), if you don't want it them you don't get it. I don't see how they could make a better decision concerning both their third-party developers (who don't like bundled software) and users who do like bundled software.
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Well written article Brad... and equally good reply Bgzzy.

I think that the main thing is that any bundled software is optional, or at least completely removable if it is automatically installed. Really, we shouldn't have to scour the internet for a program or registry change just to remove Messenger.

If Microsoft want to create bundled software, good on them, but like Brad said, the operating system must still be the main thing that is developed and made to be stable and powerful. If third party software is good enough and has good features, it should be able to survive even against bundled software.
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Very nice article, but you didn't mention a few things that are up and coming. Which I feel probably will affect MS a lot more in future releases. The main one is the MacOS going to Intel Processors. This means that the OS will work on PC's and people will finally have a 'Choice' between MS and MacOS. Granted a lot of frowning about this move has been going on, but look at it this way. With them going into the PC market, they'll gain more ground and force MS to own up and pay more attention in the future. As for now, we're stuck until Major Software Manufactures wake up and start making Linux versions of their applications ( Some have, need more to do it though ).

I know, there is an argument there too. Linux is Open Source, but that does not mean that everything FOR Linux needs to be. I'm willing to pay for good quality software ( Photoshop, Corel, Macromedia which is now owned by Adobe, etc... ) for the different things I do. At the same time though, there is no arguing that Linux far exceeds and out performs Windows and even the MacOS on its own machines. So why some Companies don't recognize this or at least make a version for this platform is beyond me.

Anyway, the long and short is. Let MS screw up even more this time around, all they're going to do is convince the Consumers to try other avenues for better quality. Be it the MacOS or Linux, either way they'll end up hurting themselves with the new competition coming. Frankly, I can't wait. Almost all of my programs work on both Mac and PC, the MacOS would be a clean change in my oppinion!

And yes, I know, this article wasn't about the MacOS, but I did feel it worth mentioning. Mainly because I'm hoping like others, for a firm boot on MS's hind end! Basically a wake-up call to either improve or lose a large chunk of their foothold on their monopoly they have on a great many things.

Cheers everyone! Live your best life!

"In fact, the reason they gave for not updating Outlook Express or IE6 was to not kill off third-party products like Maxthon, Avant Browser, Eudora, Thunderbird, and Firefox."

I had to add this, to the poster above, you're wrong. The only reason they've not updated IE6, is because they're not worried about anyone else. They hold a large, very large margin of the browser technology. If you run a site monitoring program on your websites, you'd see that the majority are using IE, which means they're more than likely using Outlook Express, as I know quite a few that are in fact doing just that. So to say they gave a reason for not doing something, like not upgrading IE6? Is to not read between their lines. They've already accomplished what they wanted, by packaging it in Win95/98. Damage has already been done there my friend. Eudora, Avant, Maxthon, arean't even in the running. Firefox, Thunderbird and Opera are good contenders, Netscape took a dive when AOL took it over. So no, MS doesn't need to really update IE yet, just only to fix it's
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Anyway, the long and short is. Let MS screw up even more this time around, all they're going to do is convince the Consumers to try other avenues for better quality.


Did you at least read about Vista or watch video demos? It doesn't seem to me they're going to "screw up". The way I look at it, it's like they finally understood that their previous Windows releases had "glitches" - minor or major - look at it in a critical and constructive way, get more feedback from partners and customers and then act on it.
I do get your point. Healthy competition is good for consumers. However bashing Microsoft come what may is neither healthy, nor constructive...
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Anyone notice on Thurrott's site the explanation of these versions: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp

Notice on the list of features - the ONLY edition that includes "consumer" items, and 2 processor support, is Ultimate. The question to be asked is - how are they counting processors? Do Dual-Core processors show up as 2 processors? Does this mean that any of us who are running dual core will be forced to buy Ultimate for our consumer activities?
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The question to be asked is - how are they counting processors? Do Dual-Core processors show up as 2 processors? Does this mean that any of us who are running dual core will be forced to buy Ultimate for our consumer activities?


That's a good question that needs to be answered. I hope not. It wouldn't make sense!