BBC says Men really are smarter than Women

British Journal of Psychology says that men are on average five points ahead on IQ tests

Actually BBC is just reporting what the British Journal of Psychology have found, which apparently says that men are on average five points ahead on IQ tests

But do these reports really mean anything, and if so, what?

Read on (headline is linked) for clips from the original article, and some more comments about what I suspect is really going on here. I may surprise you.




'Men cleverer than women' claim

Academics in the UK claim their research shows that men are more intelligent than women.

A study to be published later this year in the British Journal of Psychology says that men are on average five points ahead on IQ tests.
Paul Irwing and Professor Richard Lynn claim the difference grows when the highest IQ levels are considered.
Their research was based on IQ tests given to 80,000 people and a further study of 20,000 students.


'Widening gap'

Dr Irwing, a senior lecturer in organisational psychology at Manchester University, told the Today programme on BBC Radio Four the study showed that, up to the age of 14, there was no difference between the IQs of boys and girls.
"But beyond that age and into adulthood there is a difference of five points, which is small but it can have important implications," he said.
"This is against a background of women dramatically overtaking men in educational attainment and making very rapid advances in terms of occupational achievement."
The academics used a test which is said to measure "general cognitive ability" - spatial and verbal ability.
As intelligence scores among the study group rose, the academics say they found a widening gap between the sexes.
There were twice as many men with IQ scores of 125, for example, a level said to correspond with people getting first-class degrees.
At scores of 155, associated with genius, there were 5.5 men for every woman.



... more at original article


Interesting findings, but again, what does it really mean? Are men smarter than women? Maybe. But enough so to show the results that are reported at the high end of the scale? I'm not so sure.

Is it more likely that these results, much like standardized test scores in the U.S. are showing a bias that exists behind the scense in the testing methodology or test materials? Probably much more likely.

All tests have biases. Whether intentional or not, there are always some people that are going to find some tests easier than others. The questions are never as indiscriminate as they could be. They may have been intentionally designed to mislead, or they mislead because of unintended factors. Peoples life experiences and their own biases and mannerisms will influence their results.

Some people tend to think more "logically" than others, according to a fairly common standard, but it doesn't mean that another persons thinking is any more or less logical, or for that matter correct or incorrect because they choose a different answer.

There are tests which should be simple. True or false: The moon orbits the Earth. Such a question should be easy to answer, but yet there are some that may still believe the answer is false. Their own eyes tell them that the moon is in the same place in the sky virtually every nite. If that is true, then perhaps the moon doesn't orbit the earth at all. It may just stay in the same place, right?

Anyway, it's an interesting article, and great material for discussion on either side.
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I think it depends on what you define intelligence as.

I do think, especially as men and women grow older, that men gain a lead in analytical intelligence while women seem (generally) more focused on nurturing skills.  Whether that's meaningful or not (i.e. important) to humans as a species I have no idea.

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I do think, especially as men and women grow older, that men gain a lead in analytical intelligence while women seem (generally) more focused on nurturing skills. Whether that's meaningful or not (i.e. important) to humans as a species I have no idea.


Surely you believe it must be important. If it wasn't then why would men and women have evolved in that manner? (he says, evoking yet more debate over theories of evolution).
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Were these findings by a man? That would say a lot,!

Seriously though, I've seen wherein women are smarter than men...so who's to know which is correct. As a woman and being totally biased to my gender, and of course having kids and a husband and a male boss and previously male bosses and working in a male dominated environment.....women are smarter!

No disrespect to all you men but I had to tell the truth. : )
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Thanks for the article. Interesting stuff.
Apparently "emotional intelligence", which seems to be more important from a functional aspect, shows no overall gender difference.

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In this Age where assessment of Multiple Intelligence (one of which, "emotional intelligence", as already pointed out by Dr. Donald) evokes keener interest, it's curious to see the traditional IQ Test put to work to bring out a conclusion that women have struggled half a century to prove more mythical than verifiable. Although the numbers in the study seem formidable,and as a guy , I just should just remain flattered (and shut up), I'd like to know the selection criteria applied to the study (like how many of the females studied were working mothers, etc. versus how many of the men studied were college graduates, etc.) as well as the statistical test used. Was the difference statistically significant ? Sorry, guys, but it's details like these that can really skew a potentially good study and produce misleading results.
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See my article at "http://philosborn.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=26396" for the explanation of this. As I've discussed elsewhere at length for a couple of decades now, while most men and women fit in a general median area, in which various aspects of intelligence overlap and mix in all kinds of interesting ways, the facts are that:

1> For most major categories of intelligence, the median for men vs. women is skewed, as with men having better logical/mathematical/spacial visualization abilities, while women have better linguistic skills. However, women's linguistic skills are at the expense of their mathematical skills, being driven by the child-bearing related hormones. Women's math skills are nearly as good as men's until puberty, when they suddenly and drastically drop by about 15%. When menopause hits, women's math skills suddenly rise back to nearly par with men. Those women who as young girls had a flair for math, but then lost it for several decades, often suddently rediscover an interest - and a talent - in numbers in their fifties. Men, also, who have undergone sexual transforms into fake women, and taken the hormones to grow breasts, etc., typically say that the hormones are like a major heavy tranquilizer, not valium, which makes you stupid, slow and sleepy, but librium, which makes you talk, talk, talk, even if you come off as a complete airhead.

2> As my article discusses, the evidence is that major genetic determinors of intelligence and temperment are located on the sex chromosome. Men only get one working copy, so if they get a code for high intelligence, it shows up in 100% of their cells, while women get two copies, which means that typically, on a random basis, one gene is expressed in each cell, but not the other. So, unless they get both copies for the high intelligence, they will only get half the effect, ceteris peribus.

3> There are both a LOT more men geniuses, and a LOT more men idiots. You might get just one copy of the idiot gene, too, while a woman will likely get a normal gene activated for half her cells. I.e., the intelligence curve for men is significantly flatter, stretching out to both extremes considerably further, which is why you see that the higher up you go in business or the arts, the fewer women you see - but the same is true in the insane asylums and homes for the retarded.

4> This is bad news for those men who are out there away from the median, as finding a female life partner of equal abilities is not going to be mathematically possible for most of us.

5> And the reason for all of this, is that males are the selection system for evolution. Evolution doesn't need for most of us males to survive, while every missing female means fewer babies. So, we are the test bed. All those bad or good genes get expressed and not masked as in women.