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Embryonic Stem cells without the Embryo

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166378,00.html
from JoeUser Forums

Contrary to what most on the left believe, Science has marched on with the limited goverment assistance that so many were decrying as stifling the creative genius of scientists.  Scientists at Harvard have managed to fuse embronic stem cells with adult stem cells thus opening the door to do away with harvesting human embryos for their cells.

All this comes about at the same time that many democrats are decrying the fact that Bush has stood firm on his beliefs and not swayed back and forth witht he changing of the polls.

And for many of us, it is not surprising.  Every time man has been faced with a barrier, whether self imposed or of nature's own making, they have found a way to overcome it and advance on in the insatiable quest for knowledge and answers.  Stem cell research is no different.  And these scientist just proved it.

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Bush has stood firm on his beliefs


Firmly
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top

Firmly

Is this what they were talking about on the Grammar stuff?

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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
All I've got to say is... "woooooohoooooooooo!"
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top

All I've got to say is... "woooooohoooooooooo!"

There is no such word as no to a deterrmined scientist!

Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
There is no such word as no to a deterrmined scientist!

Thank God... errrrrr... goodness for that. *g*
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Nearly 400,000 IVF embryos are in storage in the U.S, but less than 3 percent have been donated for research. Almost as many are designated to be discarded each year. Only a fraction of those that do arrive in the labs are suitable for study."

-- Nat'l Geographic, July 2005

What makes it ok to create an embryo and freeze it for a period of time and then discard it, but not ok to create an embryo and use it for potentially life-saving or life-enriching research?
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Thank God... errrrrr... goodness for that. *g*


And Greyhound?
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Texas Wahine, what is wrong with science eliminating the need to even ask the question?

This is great news! The researchers that weren't whining over what naysayers considered a restrictions moved foward anyway. Once again if you give someone everything they think they want, you impede their success and progress, not encourage it!
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
What makes it ok to create an embryo and freeze it for a period of time and then discard it, but not ok to create an embryo and use it for potentially life-saving or life-enriching research?


Tex, what happens when man identifies a source for something organic? Do they increase their search for it? Do they start beating the bushes for it?

Here chickie chickie chickie.

NO! They breed it! Potatoes, Cows,Sheep, Chickens, legumes!

So, do you want them to start breeding embryos for cultivation of stem cells (Excuse me Ms. Jones, your Embryo was accidently given to the National research Institute).

Do you really want to start breeding embryos for research?

I do not. So how is THIS bad?
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
And tex, to answer your question directly and succintly.

The purpose of it. Why do you think 18th century slave owners bread their slaves?
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Texas Wahine, what is wrong with science eliminating the need to even ask the question?


Thank you.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
Texas Wahine, what is wrong with science eliminating the need to even ask the question?


I really don't see this as eliminating the need to ask the question for a couple of reasons.

First, even IF scientists could do away with the need to create and destroy embryos for this research, we still have couples creating embryos that are being discarded. Throwing them away is OK with the folks who have a problem with embryonic stem cell research?

Does no one else see the ethical hypocrisy?

Second, the article, provided via our fair and balanced friends at FOX News, says:

"I can't stress enough that this technology is not ready for prime time right now," Eggan said at a briefing Monday. "It is not a replacement for those techniques that we already have for derivation of embryonic stem cells."

AND

"It could easily be 10 years before the process is usable in people, he said."

AND

Eggan said, "There are still fundamental biological hurdles that have to be overcome."

In other words, "don't count your chickens before they hatch".
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
In other words, "don't count your chickens before they hatch".


No just start breeding people to throw away.

What is wrong with waiting 10 years?
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
No just start breeding people to throw away.


We already do that. No one seems to take issue with infertile couples creating embryos and then freezing and discarding the majority of them. Is this not the EXACT same thing?
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
We already do that. No one seems to take issue with infertile couples creating embryos and then freezing and discarding the majority of them. Is this not the EXACT same thing?


If you cant see the difference, no arguement is going to show you it. You will have to face that brave new world and I hope you have the stomach for it.

I dont, even if I was not a catholic. I could see the difference.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
No one has explained the difference.

I am curious how you justify it?

What's the difference between creating several embryos for a pregnancy, using one or two, and destroying the rest and creating several embryos for a pregnancy, using one or two for that purpose, and then using the rest for medical research?

PLEASE enlighten me, from a religious viewpoint, if that's what works for you. I can't understand how the religious people who are anti-abortion and who believe that life begins at conception can endorse creating embryos for pregnancy and then freezing indefinitely or discarding them. Do explain.

I promise I'm not being antagonistic. I sincerely want to know what you see as the difference.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
True, counting chicken embryos is not a good idea for a breeder (but great when buying a dozen eggs!). ;~D

Yes, this is a great step forward, but not a destination. Might I remind you though, those doing research on Embryonic Stem Cells also tell us we are around 10 years away from being actual treatments based on the technology.

My point was, I don't see any real advantage to crying over limits on embryonic stem cell research, it seems adult stem cells are just fine.

btw, anyone who says that adult stem cells can't do things that embryonic stem cells can do, explain to me how my body does it with adult stem cells every day... ;~D
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
And Greyhound?


You're gone.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top

No one has explained the difference.

I am curious how you justify it?

In Vitro - To create a life.

Breeding for fodder, no purpose of creating life.

Simple.

And no Religion involved.

Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top

Yes, this is a great step forward, but not a destination. Might I remind you though, those doing research on Embryonic Stem Cells also tell us we are around 10 years away from being actual treatments based on the technology.

Part of the problem is that it has become politicized.  So while nothing of substance has actually been discovered with embryonic stem cells, people think they must be the elixir of eternal youth just because they cant breed and harvest millions of lines each year.

Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
What's the difference between creating several embryos for a pregnancy, using one or two, and destroying the rest and creating several embryos for a pregnancy, using one or two for that purpose, and then using the rest for medical research?


IMHO there is no difference. That said...."if" you allow them to use these discarded embryos, how long do you think it'll take before they start creating their own for experimenting? That's why evryone is nay saying you.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top

IMHO there is no difference. That said...."if" you allow them to use these discarded embryos, how long do you think it'll take before they start creating their own for experimenting? That's why evryone is nay saying you.

Exactly Right.  When the wild supply dries up, breed them.  Today for stem cells, tomorrow for spare parts.