Response to a comment on a recent article, and

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from JoeUser Forums
I don't mind LW and others doing it once to get an article on the forums... but what I do find aggrivating is people like Lucas Bailey who bump an article to get it on the forums, then when it generates zero responses he bumps it again a few days later....I've seen him do that a few times. It's as if they can't stand having no responses to an article, they can't handle being ignored so they have to bump and bump and bump. THAT drives me nuts.
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--Now, the reason i have bumped certain articles, 2, sometimes three times, is that i get a bit frustrated that, i worked hard on them (not all) and i post it....but yet i see some (not all) readers dismiss the article because it doesn't seem adequate enough...perhaps i'm wrong...i really don't know...i just am frustrated with working on articles/posts and have them flop...for example, i have been working on 2 articles, one on colonizing mars, and another on earth and nuclear weapons, but when i post them, will i get any reviews...most likely not...

@#$%^&*()! :O

oh, btw, my moms car died, the fuel tank (apparentl) had a four inch diameter hole...so now, after having other parts of it fixed( cost ($345) she has to get a new fuel tank, etc...($155-$165)....and also, we got an eviction notice, because we are behind on rent to HUD (my mom did have 2 jobs, but when i was in the hospitol, she had to take time off to help me and the doc, despite my insistance for her to go to work, and she was "let go" from the other job, at that time our rent was at 315 (give/take) and my mum brought home about 295...(give/take) and after my mom reported the drop in income, they (KHA/HUD) kept the rent the same for another 2 months, when she was bringing home less than $140, normally, they are supposed to adjust the rent according to the income....) so things have been "Wonderful!" here..... X-( we might end up moving in with my sister...and her 3 bedroom duplex...


-I guess i could be describe as somewhat of a cynical dreamer...hoping that things get better, working to get things better...but knowing, that the world F------ sucks, and if you don't play the little games (blackmail, etc..) you'll get screwed...
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hello, Lucas. You ever feel like yesterday's news? Because, in all honesty, that's what you are. This is not the end of the world. I've been yesterday's news around here at least four times that I can think of.

It isn't the quality of what you write, it isn't the subject matter -- these things are important, but they don't make winners in and of themselves? What does? I wish I could tell you. I've had articles make me a pariah that I thought were non-controversial. I've had articles I wrote for controversy that died a quiet death. I've been featured for things I thought were just fluff and I've had things ignored that I thought were feature worthy.

You know what? It keeps me on my toes -- always a good thing. The best thing I could say is just to write what you write. Blogging on JU -- hell, blogging anywhere -- is like playing darts with a blindfold on. Sometimes you hit, most often you miss. The Stardock team is speeding JU up a lot -- I've found it unnessecary to "bump" my articles onto the forums for the most part. Perhaps you should try the same experiment.

Look to the quality of some of the best blogs here. I mean guys like Bakerstreet and Gideon MacLeish and ladies like Texas Wahine. It's about the writing, not the comments, or the forum position.

Think on it, and keep writing.

Cheers.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top

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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Like you, I feel more gratified than not when someone comments on my articles, but it's really not the most important thing. I write mostly for myself, even though in my style of writing I'm clearly 'addressing' a JU readership. If I am satisfied with what I write then that's the most important thing (as it happens, I'm usually 'moderately satisfied').

My very first JU article got 107 comments. Article no. 2 got '0' comments, until I added a little haiku mocking my own wordiness. Subsequently I have taken the decision not to *bump*. I've had to stare at a few '0' comments before, but that's fine. Eventually someone comes along to relieve my loneliness

There are all kinds of reasons why people choose not to comment. Maybe people do think your article isn't 'adequate enough', maybe you've covered it all leaving nothing else to say. Who knows. You make a good point about feeling "frustrated with working on articles/posts and have them flop". The solution is to change your measure of success. Much as I love praise (even more than agreement ) my measure of success is my own satisfaction with what I have written. It's not a bad way to look at things ...

... just keep on doing your thing.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Moderator hat on:Do not put member's names as the topic of an article.


--Eeek! *runs* (sorry, i think i'm gonna print out the TOU/TOS and put it near the computer, for quick reference...I think i remember user names in topics before...but anyway, i apologize, won't do it again...)

Hello, Lucas. You ever feel like yesterday's news? Because, in all honesty, that's what you are. This is not the end of the world. I've been yesterday's news around here at least four times that I can think of.


--I never said its the end of the world, i just am frustrated with it...thats all...doesn't mean i'm gonna start jumping up and down ranting and raving...(well....)

It isn't the quality of what you write, it isn't the subject matter -- these things are important, but they don't make winners in and of themselves? What does? I wish I could tell you. I've had articles make me a pariah that I thought were non-controversial. I've had articles I wrote for controversy that died a quiet death. I've been featured for things I thought were just fluff and I've had things ignored that I thought were feature worthy.



--If quality doesn't matter, then why is it i keep getting comments on things that are "drivel"... what, drivel means totally fantastic...? I mean, i've been hammered because my articles/posts weren't quality, that they were irrelevant drivel...

It's about the writing, not the comments, or the forum position.


--And i write...i've written bits about 9/11, BTK Killer, religion, philosophy...etc... but they have gotten (some) few hits... but i see others, write about the exact same topic, and bam! they get numerous hits...IMO that shows that reputation is also a factor, and perhaps quality comes second...i don't know...thanks for the comment...
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Like you, I feel more gratified than not when someone comments on my articles, but it's really not the most important thing. I write mostly for myself, even though in my style of writing I'm clearly 'addressing' a JU readership. If I am satisfied with what I write then that's the most important thing (as it happens, I'm usually 'moderately satisfied').My very first JU article got 107 comments. Article no. 2 got '0' comments, until I added a little haiku mocking my own wordiness. Subsequently I have taken the decision not to *bump*. I've had to stare at a few '0' comments before, but that's fine. Eventually someone comes along to relieve my loneliness There are all kinds of reasons why people choose not to comment. Maybe people do think your article isn't 'adequate enough', maybe you've covered it all leaving nothing else to say. Who knows. You make a good point about feeling "frustrated with working on articles/posts and have them flop". The solution is to change your measure of success. Much as I love praise (even more than agreement ) my measure of success is my own satisfaction with what I have written. It's not a bad way to look at things ...


--thanks for your comment
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
my measure of success is my own satisfaction with what I have written. It's not a bad way to look at things ...

... just keep on doing your thing.


that's the thing, that's perfectly it. you gotta look at yourself and wonder if you like what you've done. kill that stuff if you don't. do better. that's the key.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
reputation is also a factor, and perhaps quality comes second


Of course, Lucas. I used to get nearly 50 comments an article, now if I get 25 i feel happy. Why? Because my reputation here is one of being a leftist socialist jackass who will tell you to fuck off nearly as quick as he'll tell you hello. It's not an undeserved reputation. Don't get down because there are 6 people who can be on here almost 24/7 (no names but they are A) retired B) disabled C) unemployed or D) republican (that includes A B C) and they want to fuck you up.

10% of people who see JU do 90% of the commenting. Don't let it bug you, man. Just keep trying to write a solid article and put a catchy title on it. Give yourself some time from your last fiasco. It'll pass -- I promise you.

Just keep writing. That's really the only important thing. If someone comments to tell you that you suck, well you obviously imprinted something on them enough to make them tap the keyboard.

I don't know any one secret as to what makes a blog popular but this: I write about controversial thing both here and on my blogspot site. I try to do this with every ounce of skill I know -- that doesn't make me skillful, just conscientious. I get hits, and I get comments -- even from people who hate what I say but respect how I say it. I frequent other blogs for the same reason -- i like the style, even if I hate the idea.

keep posting. if YOU don't like what you said (and be honest and harsh) then kill it. If you do, then keep it even if no motherfucker say shit.

Silence isn't the worst enemy. Being dissatisfied with what you write is.

Cheers again.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
--Strong words...thank you...and i agree with some of it...

and they want to fuck you up


--How so?
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Silence isn't the worst enemy. Being dissatisfied with what you write is.


if you disagree with all else, agree with this
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes, continue to write...

--And i write...i've written bits about 9/11, BTK Killer, religion, philosophy...etc... but they have gotten (some) few hits... but i see others, write about the exact same topic, and bam! they get numerous hits...IMO that shows that reputation is also a factor, and perhaps quality comes second...i don't know...thanks for the comment...



I thought about that same shit when I first started here. Does my articles suck just because I didn't get one single comment? Ehh.. So after a while, I said to my self FUCK-IT. When I write here, I only write for myself and maybe there is some one here that I happen to catch their eye and they do comment, hey, that's great. But I really don't care. Hell, I just write an article on the spur of the moment most of the time anyway. But anyways, I hope things work out for you and just keep trying.

-mx-
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top

Lucas, some of my best work gets no responses or maybe 2.  Some of my hasty stuff is still going (I got one form Aug 1 that is still getting comments).  I neither know the reason or care.  What I care about others do not.  if one that I care about gets nothing, I dont bump it again.  I let it go.  But if someone brings it up again,I will link to my original, but still not bump it.

If it dont fly with the first try, dont bump it a second try.

Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Ever hear of the EDIT button, Lucas? I know you have because I've seen you change articles and titles after you've posted them before. I suggest you change this article's title PRONTO and remove dharma's name from it. Saying "oops" and then letting it stand as is just doesn't cut it.


--I tried to last night, but i got a message saying i was unable to cause i didn't have the right access level or something, but i just tried again, and was able to...so its taken care of..

You've gotten the whole concept ass-backwards there, Lucas. Produce quality articles, do it consistently, and you will build a reputation that draws people to your blog.Unfortunately, the reputation you chose to build over the past year has not been a good one at all. You have a reputation for posting bare links, plagiarized articles, cut and paste jobs from odds and ends you've found while surfing, and fabricated stories about a life you were merely fantasizing about complete with a fiancee/wife that never existed, a job you never worked, and a degree you never earned.Add poor grammar, spelling, and tons of careless typos to all that, and well...is it any wonder that scads of readers aren't beating a path to your door?Building a good reputation takes time and effort. Do you think that I always got this much traffic on my blog? That even now I don't write the occasional dud that gets few or no comments? That we're all in some sort of secret club that you haven't been invited to join?The people that you see posting on a topic that you've already posted on yet are getting far more hits and comments than yours did have built their readership up over long periods of time. They are simply better writers, Lucas, time for a dose of reality.If someone reads one of my articles for the very first time and finds it interesting, well written, or just enjoyable to read, they are more likely to click on the next article I post, hoping for more of the same.On the other hand, if someone clicking on a little-whip article for the very first time finds an incoherent mess of a post, grammatically mangled, atrociously misspelled, and carelessly typed, how likely are they to check out my next offering?The reputation comes from the quality of your writing, not the other way around, and building a good reputation takes time.Re-building a damaged reputation takes much longer, and on occasion proves impossible to do at all. It really just depends on how long people's memories are.After some of the things you've pulled here, it may take a very long time for some people to give you another chance, and some just won't. Ever. No matter how much you bump your stuff up into their face, some people just aren't going to give you the time of day ever again. I suspect dharma is one of these, and that's her perogative, right? She "owes" you nothing, not even her attention.I'll give you the same advice others have though, just keep blogging, do your best, work on your writing skills, and in time you may build yourself a nice little readership.Then again, you might not.


--Quality, as in whats in the article or how the article is written...i always thought it was the former... ehhh...

--I have no doubt that there are better writers...better than me, you...every other writer on here has someone better than themselves...

-- If reputation matters, then why do some still post on the "loony" posts...hmm? they have reputations that certainly don't flatter any one...yet they get posts...am i to start posting stuff like that? (i wouldn't)

cut and paste jobs from odds and ends you've found while surfing


--and references have been made to there owner, and comments made on how i feel about it, etc... others have done it, whats the difference, should i make them longer...(sarcasm)

On the other hand, if someone clicking on a little-whip article for the very first time finds an incoherent mess of a post, grammatically mangled, atrociously misspelled, and carelessly typed, how likely are they to check out my next offering?


--But what does it matter if it has misspellings,etc... i'm sure others have better english skills, they shouldn't focus on how it is written, but what is written...


No matter how much you bump your stuff up into their face, some people just aren't going to give you the time of day ever again. I suspect dharma is one of these, and that's her perogative, right? She "owes" you nothing, not even her attention.


-fine...thats her right...
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Bailey,

As one of this site's more prolific writers, people tend to think that my articles get an undue amount of attention. In fact, the reason that my articles are seen is that I write many, in various subject categories, and I try to be consistently interesting without having too much of a negative attitude. As for featured articles, I've come to the belief that the best way to be featured is to write a concise, general interest article of original material with great attention paid to grammar and punctuation. If your piece is an op/ed piece, supporting the piece with hard facts and raw data tend to catch Brad's eye better than a piece built on conjecture, conspiracy theories and questionable sources.

But, by far the best advice I can give to you to boost your own articles is to respond FAR more than you write. If you continually leave insightful, intelligent responses on others' threads, you will interest them in examining your own work (do NOT link your own articles unless it's relevant to the article or HIGHLY relevant to your response). By reading others' works extensively and responding you will also develop a relationship with potential readers and discover some incredible talent on this site that will help you hone your own writing skills.

The key to building up your blog on JU is to be symbiotic, not parasitic. You MUST give MORE to other bloggers than they give to you. They will, in turn, respond.

You obviously have a keen interest in being part of the blogging community. Of that there is no question. So it would be wise for you to listen to the advice of others.

Best of luck.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top

ut, by far the best advice I can give to you to boost your own articles is to respond FAR more than you write.

Bling, Bling!  Insightful there Lucas.

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Oh, you're writing about me! I'm so flattered! What was the original title of the article? I'd really like to know....I mean, it IS about me after all. I've told you in no uncertain terms how I feel about you, I think that the least you could do is return the favor. My email address is on my page, underneath my blogroll...the next time you're going to write about me, do me a favor and give me a heads up, please.

--Now, the reason i have bumped certain articles, 2, sometimes three times, is that i get a bit frustrated that, i worked hard on them (not all) and i post it....but yet i see some (not all) readers dismiss the article because it doesn't seem adequate enough


You worked hard on the three liners that you bumped? You worked hard on the things that you cut and pasted? On the picture of a polar bear? On the essays that you plagarized?

Yes, people dismiss your work. It happens to me too. In fact, it's happened to most everyone who blogs here. You can't MAKE people read what you write, Lucas. You just have to accept that some people will like what you have to say, and some won't. Your comment here makes it seem that you want EVERYONE at JU to stop whatever they're doing and listen when you speak, and that just aint gonna happen, brotha.

Who are you writing for, anyway? WHY are you writing? Are you writing for you, or for other people? Are you writing to get comments, or to release whatever angst it is that you're feeling? Perhaps if you quit being so needy and intense, you'd find that people would be more receptive to listening to what you have to say and responding. I think that seeing multiple bumps on a thread puts a lot of bloggers off responding.

Write for YOU, Lucas. It's much more satisfying.

--And i write...i've written bits about 9/11, BTK Killer, religion, philosophy...etc... but they have gotten (some) few hits... but i see others, write about the exact same topic, and bam! they get numerous hits...IMO that shows that reputation is also a factor, and perhaps quality comes second.



Because you have successfully pissed off or alienated a fair old chunk of the community with your repeated lies and underhanded behaviour. You also simply don't write as well as other bloggers.

The key to building up your blog on JU is to be symbiotic, not parasitic. You MUST give MORE to other bloggers than they give to you. They will, in turn, respond.


Gideon has some excellent advice there. You scratch other bloggers backs, and they'll scratch yours. Your mistake in the beginning was not only lying but being so needy....instead of scratching someone else's back, you sank your talons in and you just wouldn't let go.

LW's right, Lucas. I don't owe you a damn thing. I was trying to help you integrate yourself into the community and get yourself out of your 'room', but now.....I dunno if that's something I want to pursue or not. I think it's just easier to ignore you.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Oh, you're writing about me! I'm so flattered! What was the original title of the article? I'd really like to know....I mean, it IS about me after all. I've told you in no uncertain terms how I feel about you, I think that the least you could do is return the favor. My email address is on my page, underneath my blogroll...the next time you're going to write about me, do me a favor and give me a heads up, please.


--"Response to dharmagrls comment on a recent article and others stuff" --That wa the title...fine i will let ya know if i do...i never looked...i apologize...return the favor? how so. you've gone ahead and made comments about me, and have not forewarned me, sure they haven't been articles...but as this was the only way to...i did it this way...


You worked hard on the three liners that you bumped? You worked hard on the things that you cut and pasted? On the picture of a polar bear? On the essays that you plagarized?


--I said certain articles, not all of them... read it again...

Yes, people dismiss your work. It happens to me too. In fact, it's happened to most everyone who blogs here. You can't MAKE people read what you write, Lucas. You just have to accept that some people will like what you have to say, and some won't. Your comment here makes it seem that you want EVERYONE at JU to stop whatever they're doing and listen when you speak, and that just aint gonna happen, brotha


--I'm not making any one read my articles...obviously... I just am tired of putting effort into certain articles and not feeling any better afterwards.

Who are you writing for, anyway? WHY are you writing? Are you writing for you, or for other people? Are you writing to get comments, or to release whatever angst it is that you're feeling? Perhaps if you quit being so needy and intense, you'd find that people would be more receptive to listening to what you have to say and responding. I think that seeing multiple bumps on a thread puts a lot of bloggers off responding.Write for YOU, Lucas. It's much more satisfying.


--I write my views, for me, but also for others. To debate. I offer what i feel about whatever; even if it is three liners. Like others have said, write for yourself.

LW's right, Lucas. I don't owe you a damn thing. I was trying to help you integrate yourself into the community and get yourself out of your 'room', but now.....I dunno if that's something I want to pursue or not. I think it's just easier to ignore you.


--Did i say that? No. Did i say any one owed me anything? No. Now, Thank you for the help. Why not? Have i insulted you? No. All i did was reply to your comment. Thats it. Its how you have assumed how it was meant that has led to your comment on whether or not to pursue integrating me.

it's out of touch with reality


--I am quite in touch with reality. Its just narrow mindedness on writing (concerning focus on how instead of what) that irritates me.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

To debate

In order to debate, one has to form a opinion of one's own and stick with it.

I have yet to see you do that.

Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
Lucas... I've been here on this site longer than most. I've written a fair number of articles, left hundreds of comments and been featured more than a few times. I'm not a "Top Blogger" here by any means, but I do consider myself fairly successful on this site.

Not everything gets read. My absolute favorite article I ever wrote on this site was completely ignored. It happens. The main thing that keeps it from bothering me is that I write for myself first. If I can write a well thought out article that articulates my jumbled inner thoughts, then I have a successful article. Second I want it to enlighten other people, or amuse them, or in some cases even anger them. If I succeed on this point as well, I've again succeeded, but if I don't, well I already won the important fight by satisfying myself. Good feedback is an extra bonus on top of writing a good piece.

You are being pretty much sumarily dismissed by the community as a whole because of your past behavior. You have shown yourself to be a spammer, a liar and a plagerizer. The quality of your writing has never been that great (this is VERY important no matter what YOU think... if something is poorly written, it's hard to understand. Quality of writing is tied directly to quality of content.) and your positions are inconsistant and you lack the ability to argue or backup your position.

Bumping your articles will NOT help you get the responses you so desperately crave. After the first bump, chances are that people just aren't interested. If I see an article bumped more than once, I don't bother responding even if it's well-written. I don't like to satisfy/encourage attention whores.