Shoot first ask questions later: Revisited

new evidence

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A while ago I wrote an article on the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes
Link, and got a lot of feedback (a lot of it negative). Now, it seems like there is some new evidence (or someone lied to us all) regarding the killing.

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First, we have the jacket. The new evidence states that it was a denim jacket, not the "unseasonable" bulky jacket it was made out to be. This shows that he probably didn't have as good of an ability to conceal a bomb underneath it (there is a picture on one of the links), meaning something is fishy here.

Second, his actions. Here, it seems he picked up the paper, walked at a normal pace, and ran to the train (most likely because he thought he might miss the train). He sat down, and when the police came, he got up and advanced towards them, but was restrained, then shot 7 times in the head and once in the shoulder. Now his actions appear normal, plus he was already restrained when he was shot in the head.

And now Scotland Yard "initially resisted" an inquiry. Now, when someone dies and the police don't want to investigate, that's suspicious.

And this is why I'm glad I don't live in Britain. Hopefully I can trust Canadian politicians to not turn Canada into a police sta...nope, we're all screwed.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
And this is why I'm glad I don't live in Britain.

I might agree with that but for different reasons.

I've also read the news items that you mention, but I don't draw the same conclusions.
So 'someone' said Scotland Yard "initially resisted" an enquiry. So what? Not much of a surprise there. The thing is, according to news reports, Sir Ian Blair may have "initially resisted" an independent enquiry (he would have preferred an internal enquiry), but the independent enquiry is happening anyway. Isn't that a good thing about life in Britain? It's the whole glass half full or half empty thing.

So 'someone' lied to us all? I wouldn't be surprised. But the truth is emerging anyway. It's great that Britain has free media like the BBC and the Guardian. Another good thing about living in Britain (although clearly not for you or I).

You see, same facts different conclusions. I understand why leftists always want to see that the glass as half empty, been there, done that myself (a long time ago).

Open your eyes. Have a look at the big bad world out there. There are some real police states in the world (I live about an hour's drive from possibly the scariest of them all!) Get a sense of proportion. UK, North Korea, North Korea, UK. Sorry, no comparison.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
The officer in charge was suspended Link

Good call. I hope this may tempers Scotland Yard's approach. Yeah Canada's yesmen are screwed.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
It's a sad and scary day for democracy. Regardless of the new evidence.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think the scary thing is that if it wasn't for this guy, we might never have known the truth, and the police would be able to kill people without consequence. I mean, they hid it from us for so long, lied to us, and one guy who knows someone at ITV is the only one to tell the public the truth.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
The officer in charge was suspended


Not so. A clerk working for the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) has been suspended for allegedly leaking information from their on-going investigation to the press before it is completed.

It's a sad and scary day for democracy.

What's sad and scary? That the truth seems to be actually emerging? How is this scary?

I think the scary thing is that if it wasn't for this guy, we might never have known the truth, and the police would be able to kill people without consequence.

This is not even logical. If the information that has been leaked comes from the IPCC's investigation, then that means that the IPCC have been getting to the truth (whatever that may turn out to be). So, presumably in the fullness of time the IPCC's publically issued report would contain the very information that you believe is being 'hidden' from us. There are reasons that this information is kept confidential until the investigation is complete, one being that the family of Mr de Menezes have the right to be the first to know what the IPCC have concluded and another, obviously, is that the IPCC cannot conclude anything until their investigation is actually completed.

This is a disturbing case and there are a lot of questions that need answers. I am glad in a way that the Left is on the case on this one. However, unbalanced rhetoric about the UK 'turning into a police state' and suggestions that we would never have got to the truth but for this leak ought to be challenged.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
That the guy was shot.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
That the guy was shot.


Yes, the whole point is that the guy was shot for basically nothing. He wasn't doing anything suspicious, just getting on a subway train.