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The Tale of 2 headlines

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Here are 2 headlines from that AP:

"A 13-year-old giant panda gave birth to a cub at San Diego Zoo, but a second baby died in the womb, officials said Wednesday."--Associated Press, Aug. 3

"A cancer-ravaged woman robbed of consciousness by a stroke has given birth after being kept on life support for three months to give her fetus extra time to develop."--Associated Press, Aug. 3

Note both are from the same day.  Also note that an unborn panda is a baby, but a child born to a brain dead woman is still a fetus.

This is your brain.  This is your brain on stupidity.

Any questions?

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top

The way I see it, this could also be read as saying that, at the time 3 months ago when the mother was kept on life support, her child was a fetus. It says nothing about the mother "giving birth to a fetus." It says that the mother was "kept on life support for three months to give her fetus extra time to develop." If her child, at the time that the decision to put the mother on life support was made, still needed 3 months in order to develop enough to be born healthy, I don't think that the term fetus is misused.

Split it anyway you want, but dont say she gave birth to a fetus.  She gave birth to a baby and calling it a fetus is the PC way of saying "We wont piss off NARAL".  TS!  My ex miscarried a BABY, my BABY, at 3.5 months.  Trust me, it was not a fetus.  And the Panda?  Nowhere did it say when the panda baby died.  It may have been dead in the womb long before viability since pandas are so small when born.  Yet it was still a baby.

It sucks, and so does the idiocy of what passes for today's journalist.

Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top

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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
But since it was not human, it was safe to call it a baby.


go to google news and search for the keyword phrase: panda baby dies in womb and you'll see the top (and possibly only publication) that appears is THE CONSERVATIVE VOICE

if you'd not screwed up your links we coulda seen if that's where you got your information

as it turns out here's what happened in the panda's case.

"Two fetuses were detected last month during a routine check. However, on Monday the zoo's veterinary staff said one of the fetuses was reabsorbed in the womb, a process that may be common in pandas."


and here's part of an article from the catholic news agency about the burial of a spontaneously aborted fetus found in a wastewater plant in colorado.

Robert Latham was on duty at the Middlesex County Utilities Authority when the fetus was discovered in a bar screen used to catch large objects within the waterway. He reported the finding to authorities.

He said medical examiners believed a woman must have had a “spontaneous miscarriage” and flushed the fetus down the toilet.

“It just seems like [the mother] panicked and didn’t know what to do,” O’Brien told the newspaper. “We want this mother to be at peace and know that he is taken care of.”

Latham said the funeral was a “wonderful” idea. He attended, along with his wife and their six children.

The baby was to be buried in a part of the Catholic cemetery dedicated to infant deaths, but Fr. Krull decided to bury the fetus at the entrance of the cemetery instead, below a statue of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, as a reminder “of the beauty and dignity of life.”

outrageous huh? they used the word 'fetus' rather than baby three outta four times.

here's a clue. babies cry and breathe. fetuses don't
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
The Fetus in question was fully formed, so what is your point?


"Two fetuses were detected last month during a routine check. However, on Monday the zoo's veterinary staff said one of the fetuses was reabsorbed in the womb, a process that may be common in pandas."


oops i guess you were wrong.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
The way I see it, this could also be read as saying that, at the time 3 months ago when the mother was kept on life support, her child was a fetus. It says nothing about the mother "giving birth to a fetus." It says that the mother was "kept on life support for three months to give her fetus extra time to develop." If her child, at the time that the decision to put the mother on life support was made, still needed 3 months in order to develop enough to be born healthy, I don't think that the term fetus is misused.


exactly. apparently three people know how to read and comprehend.
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
Split it anyway you want, but dont say she gave birth to a fetus. She gave birth to a baby and calling it a fetus is the PC way of saying "We wont piss off NARAL".


Nowhere did it say anything about anyone giving birth to a fetus.

My ex miscarried a BABY, my BABY, at 3.5 months. Trust me, it was not a fetus.


Im sorry, I can't imagine what that must have been like to go through...I agree with you on the point that I personally would use the word "baby" regardless...I just think there's more than one way to read the headline you quoted...and the way I'm seeing it, I don't think the term fetus is misused.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top

go to google news and search for the keyword phrase: panda baby dies in womb and you'll see the top (and possibly only publication) that appears is THE CONSERVATIVE VOICE

Baaaappp!  Sorry, that was an AP headline.  Care to surf over to them?

Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top

outrageous huh? they used the word 'fetus' rather than baby three outta four times.

here's a clue. babies cry and breathe. fetuses don't

Here's a clue.  Babies are conceived, not Fetuses.  Now you have a clue.  use it.

Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top

oops i guess you were wrong.

No, you are!  The fetus was re-absorbed?  Guess the Human Fetus was more developed than the Panda Fetus (as you just proved).  But one is called a baby, the other a 'fetus'. 

Why thank you kingbee for validating the whole article!

Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top

and the way I'm seeing it, I don't think the term fetus is misused.

If you abort a baby, fetus is acceptable.  if a baby is born, why not call it a baby?  Afraid to?

Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
If you abort a baby, fetus is acceptable. if a baby is born, why not call it a baby? Afraid to?


Fetus was used in reference to the time 3 months ago when the baby needed more time to develop. The word fetus was used in reference to a time before the baby had been born.
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
Babies are conceived, not Fetuses


a perfect example of abyssmal ignorance.

next you'll be telling me you can see little faces on sperm cells if you look at em thru a microscope.

conception is the process by which a sperm cell fertilizes an egg and and a zygote is formed. once the zygote attaches to the endometrium and cells begin to divide it becomes an embryo. eight weeks later the embryo becomes a fetus. every baby is a fetus til it's able to survive outside the womb.
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
Why thank you kingbee for validating the whole article!


thank the conservative voice for gettin it wrong and you for carryin it to wild extremes.
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top

Fetus was used in reference to the time 3 months ago when the baby needed more time to develop. The word fetus was used in reference to a time before the baby had been born.

The baby had been born and they were still calling it a fetus.  Typical NARAL and MSM hypocrisy.  They cant even stand to admit that some people dont want to abort a BABY.

Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top

a perfect example of abyssmal ignorance.

next you'll be telling me you can see little faces on sperm cells if you look at em thru a microscope.

Nice of you to avoid the issue again.  SO you have no children cause you only conceive fetuses.  No wonder you are sterile.

Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top

thank the conservative voice for gettin it wrong and you for carryin it to wild extremes.

You are the one that wont look it up on the AP.  You can use whatever source you want. I quoted their headlines, not your source.  So why are you even using it?

Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
SO you have no children cause you only conceive fetuses. No wonder you are sterile.


good to know dr frist aint the only one who can diagnose atta distance.

i don't know where you got your medical degree...but they oughta be investigated.

all babies were once feti. all babies were conceived. therefore all feti were conceived.

unless, of course, you know somethin nobody else does.
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
The baby had been born and they were still calling it a fetus. Typical NARAL and MSM hypocrisy. They cant even stand to admit that some people dont want to abort a BABY.


Let's say that it's five years down the road, and some newspaper is doing a follow up article. In the article, the sentence "the baby was born to a comatose mother" appears. Will you be calling the paper out for inaccurately referring to the now 5-year-old child as a baby?
Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top

good to know dr frist aint the only one who can diagnose atta distance.

i don't know where you got your medical degree...but they oughta be investigated.

Never said I had a medical degree.  In fact if you read my blog regularly, you would know that I do not.

And I did not diagnose anything.  I merely extrapolated from the facts you presented.  You can refute the facts you presented, or you can affirm them.  That is your choice.

Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top

Let's say that it's five years down the road, and some newspaper is doing a follow up article. In the article, the sentence "the baby was born to a comatose mother" appears. Will you be calling the paper out for inaccurately referring to the now 5-year-old child as a baby?

While as inaccurate as the headlines cited, it is much less of a controversy.  For it is still a life.  They just try to cheapen it by trying to call it a fetus, when in fact it was indeed and is a baby.  There is a time to drop your blinders even if you agree with pro choice.

Extremism never furthered a cause, it just placates the current believers.

Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top
They just try to cheapen it by trying to call it a fetus, when in fact it was indeed and is a baby.


I'm not sure how the term "fetus" cheapens life? It's a noun that describes a human at a certain stage in his or her development. I'm not sure why some view it as such a controversial or demeaning word.
Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top

I'm not sure how the term "fetus" cheapens life? It's a noun that describes a human at a certain stage in his or her development. I'm not sure why some view it as such a controversial or demeaning word.

To the NARAL crowd, it denotes non-human, and thus can be discarded.  like the Post partum one in Colorado.  To call a baby a 'fetus' means that you can kill it and not be subject to murder charges.

They are so afraid that perhaps one day, real people will discover that PBA is murder as they are not fetuses, but actual babies.

Reply #48 from JoeUser Forums Top
They just try to cheapen it by trying to call it a fetus, when in fact it was indeed and is a baby. There is a time to drop your blinders even if you agree with pro choice.


It also, in fact, was a fetus. I will drop my blinders when you take off your "I hate NARAL" glasses and accept the possibility that this is not some conspiracy, but a horrible writer who wrote a horrible sounding, but not scientifically incorrect, headline.
Reply #49 from JoeUser Forums Top

I will drop my blinders when you take off your "I hate NARAL" glasses

After their latest slander, I guess you are going to have to keep your blinders on.

Reply #50 from JoeUser Forums Top
After their latest slander, I guess you are going to have to keep your blinders on.


What did they do?