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The 21st Century Tower of Babel

The 21st Century Tower of Babel

Idiocy from the heartland

http://press.arrivenet.com/pol/article.php/677871.html

In what can only be described as stupidity, the Denver public LIbrary has decided to make 7 branches 'Hables Espaniol'.  They are banishing english books to the back rooms and going with a spanish motif.

While this may seem like a 'feel good' policy, in actual fact it is just another attempt to keep a minority down.  It is stupidity at its worse.

There is nothing wrong with speaking spanish.  Indeed, I speak a very little and my wife is also fluent in it.  But if Spanish is the only thing you are going to speak, you are not going to get very far in the USA.  Mexico?  Sure!  You can become president there, but not in the USA.  By coddling spanish only speakers, these denizens of dunce have decided that apparently America does not have enough janitors and yard workers, so we must cultivate a permanent underclass.  One that will be happy with their low standard of living and never aspire to better themselves in this country.

For that is what they are doing. It is another example of a PCism that I am sure is being done for all the right reasons, but the effect is to create a permanent low income group of people.  And that is by far worse than any 'feel goodism' that can come of this idiotic attempt.

So chalk another one up for the ignoramuses that poo-poo the citizens trying to make the official language of the US, english (one of only a handful of countries in the world that does not have an official language by the way).  No, those who look to raise all the boats instead of lower the water are just a bunch of small minded jingoistic racists who would deny every culture their right to live in isolation and poverty in the richest country in the world.

Losers is now spelled Denver Public Libraries.

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Reply #26 Top
That is his name, and it is pronounced fah jay.


Hahahaha...I realize that...and yet...hahhahahaa...no offense intended...
Reply #27 Top
You like to make off handed claims, why dont you back one or two of them up every now and then?
Maybe because it is just wishful thinking on your part?


i'd be willing to bet hard cash money i spend more time verifying my comments with authoritative sources than several of yall highly ranked posters do your entire articles.

this one is a perfect example.

the author is employed by us english inc.

his sole quoted source is the chairman of the board of us english, one mauro e mujica who claims denver "is creating a public institution that intentionally excludes native-born Americans."

senor mujica then goes on to say

"In a nation of immigrants, focusing on a single non-English language is the type of favoritism that we should have abandoned years ago. The taxpayers of Denver -- residents who speak 68 languages -- should not stand idly by while their money goes to support immigrants from El Salvador or Colombia over immigrants from Vietnam or Egypt."

he neglects to mention hispanics make up 34% of denver's population. if you believe he's truly worried about vietnamese or egyptian speakers, i don't know why im wasting my time reading anything you post.

the most revealing portion of this press release--cuz that's that you call an article consisting of quotes from your organization's board of directors--is the pernicious allegation that these 7 libraries will be 'banishing English language books to the backroom.'


one of the quoted sources in a washington times' article Link about the proposed change is a denver library official named beth elder. ms elder points out 'the library has long acted as a "gateway" for immigrants, helping them adjust to life in their new country. "Libraries have always welcomed immigrants and always been a resource for immigrants to improve their lives," she said. "Libraries have always had a role in helping them become members of the community."

in fact, instead of turning these buildings into aztlan temples or la raza fortresses, here's what's planned:

library officials said the "Language and Learning" branches would feature an increased Spanish-language book and periodical collection, a bilingual staff and classes for Spanish speakers on subjects such as English acquisition, high school equivalency and computers.

¡motorolas! y ¡madre de dios!

the same article reports that only 6.8 of denver's library expenditures are currently used to purchase spanish books.

and guess what? there will also be english language materials because they're not being 'banned' nor put in the basement as you proclaim (did that come to you in a dream or did you just pull it outta your ass?).
Reply #28 Top
You like to make off handed claims, why dont you back one or two of them up every now and then?
Maybe because it is just wishful thinking on your part?


i'd be willing to bet hard cash money i spend more time verifying my comments with authoritative sources than several of yall highly ranked posters do your entire articles.

this one is a perfect example


Want to try again?


Spanish Set to Become Official Language of Seven Denver Public Library Branches

Distribution Source : U.S. Newswire

Date : Wednesday, August 03, 2005



To: National Desk

Contact: Rob Toonkel of U.S. English, Inc., 202-833-0100

WASHINGTON, Aug. 3 /U.S. Newswire/ -- In a sharp break from American tradition, the Denver Public Library is promoting a plan that would make seven of its branches "Spanish focused," banishing English language books to the backroom. The "Languages and Learning" plan would dramatically increase Spanish language offerings and staff, designating some locations as Spanish dominant. The proposal is currently under review by the Library Commission and an advisory board.



Or this:


Clandestine changes
Sources within the Denver Public Library (DPL) system told CAIR's director that:

Specific Denver Public Libraries are allegedly throwing out English books and replacing them with Spanish language books. This raises the question as to where the funding comes from for the new Spanish books.
Some of the Spanish language "books" brought in include novellas - pornographic comic books. See explicit photos.
The code name for Spanish language libraries is "Language and Learning Libraries".
It is rumored that the Blair-Caldwell African-American research library will be converted to a Language and Learning Library, and that a new Language and Learning Library will also be built.
By November, 2003, library staff began hearing rumors that some branches were going to be changed to Spanish language libraries.
On August 24, 2004, management started having meetings with staff to discuss the changes. Management also began to referring to "English speakers" and "senior citizens" as "non-dominant customers".
Rick Ashton, city librarian, allegedly wants a mill levy for library funding in order to move funding for the library system from under city control. Rick Ashton is allegedly negotiating with Mayor Hickenlooper to place the mill levy on the next November ballot. Mayor Hickenlooper is allegedly proposing a $40 million funding deal, with $25 million from the general fund and $15 million to be obtained from property taxes (an increase of $30/home/year). (See questions regarding funding).
The DPL is trying to find a way to give illegal aliens access to the library. Employees were verbally told to accept Mexican drivers' license. DPL allegedly worked for two months to be able to accept the bogus Matricula Counselar IDs - illegal to accept in Colorado - but the Denver City Attorney finally said no way.
DPL allegedly received a $500,000 grant. Management allegedly discussed using these funds to send staff to Mexico to "better learn Spanish". A possible source of this grant is a Carnegie Corporation 1999 grant of $500,000 for "Special acquisitions for foreign-language collections; ... The population of Denver is changing fast. The acquisition of new bilingual materials in Spanish, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Russian, and English is crucial in ensuring that the library keeps pace with public demand."
This is all driven by federal money - according to some sources, the City allegedly falsified demographics to get LEAP money from the Department of Homeland Security.
Raises/promotions allegedly will not be given to anyone who does not speak Spanish.
A DPL employee was allegedly fired for releasing information to the media.
(The Denver Public Library has pulled material about the library changes, and the public comment form from their for these changes from their website. You can still submit your comments here.)

Reply #29 Top
Want to try again?


dr,miler you ignorant slut...the first one is the same source linked to drguys article. why dont you start reading more than the first sentence of my comments? it's never to late to learn somethin. or so they say.

the second source is really authoritative and objective. you can tell cuz all the allegations are made by anonymous sources. furthermore they all make such perfect sense...if youre a fuckin anti-hispanic bigot.

but here's where they screwed up and lied too obviously.

This is all driven by federal money - according to some sources, the City allegedly falsified demographics to get LEAP money from the Department of Homeland Security.
Raises/promotions allegedly will not be given to anyone who does not speak Spanish.


what municipality with a population greater than 80 residents has received any homeland security money except for those lucky locations where they agreed to use the funds to buy racing tractors? the idea that it would be used a. for homeland security or b. for anything useful is so ridiculous i woulda thought even you mighta seen it.

oooops i guess i shouldnt be so flippant. now i'm prolly gonna be double secret blacklisted.
Reply #30 Top

And since they're helping to pay for the libraries, that makes it totally bogus.

Besides the cultural arguement, that is a very good one.

Reply #31 Top

Surely they could simply allocate some space in existing libraries for Spanish volumes


although I still don't agree that providing specific language libraries is going to keep those people marginalised. But hey, we don't have to agree on everything.

They already do.  However, I base my opinion (keeping them marginalized) by observing what is happening in many areas of the US.  By of course well intentioned idiots.

Reply #32 Top

Hahahaha...I realize that...and yet...hahhahahaa...no offense intended...

Growing up with it, you probably cannot imagine what I have heard.

Hey, if you think it is funny and want to laugh at it! Great!  that is a lot nicer than some of the other comments I have gotten.

Reply #33 Top

i'd be willing to bet hard cash money i spend more time verifying my comments with authoritative sources than several of yall highly ranked posters do your entire articles.

Still avoiding the challenge I see. You talk the talk, you just refuse to walk the walk.

Reply #34 Top

nor put in the basement as you proclaim (did that come to you in a dream or did you just pull it outta your ass?).

You are the only one claiming they are going to be put in the basement, and last I checked, you have not crawled up my ass.  SO it must be yours you pulled it out of.

Reply #35 Top

dr,miler you ignorant slut..

kb, you are no Dan Akroyd.

Reply #36 Top
dr,miler you ignorant slut..

kb, you are no Dan Akroyd.


He's "partially" right. Even my wife says I'm a slut! As to the ignorant part, don't let him look in a mirror.
Reply #37 Top
Still avoiding the challenge


avoiding what challenge? in comment 27, i did exactly this...

i'm sure i coulda easily found one that wasn't totally biased against the idea and included ridiculous claims about locking all the english books in the basement (presumably where the spanish books are now)


You are the only one claiming they are going to be put in the basement


back room, basement...same concept. (i don't believe they have back rooms in libraries; you must be thinking of an adult book store or somethin like that). both you and the author of your article claim the english books are gonna be hidden away somewhere.

ya know i saw one of dabe's articles the other day in which she did something ive never seen you or drmiler do. she was informed the figure on which her post was based had been proven wrong. she re-checked it, discovered it was incorrect and admitted shed been mistaken.
Reply #38 Top
kb, you are no Dan Akroyd.


good thing too. i much prefer aykroyd.
Reply #39 Top
ya know i saw one of dabe's articles the other day in which she did something ive never seen you or drmiler do.


And you'd be so wrong on that. So wrong in fact that you would look downright dumb! Because I have. Most recent was an apology to LW for me being wrong. So go pound sand!
Reply #40 Top

He's "partially" right. Even my wife says I'm a slut! As to the ignorant part, don't let him look in a mirror.

Yea, well I dont go for the ignorant part either!

Reply #41 Top

back room, basement...same concept. (i don't believe they have back rooms in libraries; you must be thinking of an adult book store or somethin like that). both you and the author of your article claim the english books are gonna be hidden away somewhere.

No, it was you that said basement.  The library said backroom.  And you are still avoiding the challenge.  I dont blame you.  It is a losing cause.

Reply #42 Top

good thing too. i much prefer aykroyd.

Ok, you can correct my spelling all you want, but you are still no aykroyd!

Reply #43 Top

ya know i saw one of dabe's articles the other day in which she did something ive never seen you or drmiler do. she was informed the figure on which her post was based had been proven wrong. she re-checked it, discovered it was incorrect and admitted shed been mistaken.

Guess you dont read me that much do you?

Reply #44 Top

And you'd be so wrong on that. So wrong in fact that you would look downright dumb! Because I have. Most recent was an apology to LW for me being wrong. So go pound sand!

Funny how liberals forget our admissions of mistakes and glorify theirs.  Why?  cause their's are so few.

kingbee, you really stepped into this one.  All you have to do is check my blogs and the other Docs comments.  When we are wrong we admit it.  That Dabe did (and I did miss it altho I do read all of her postings as I like her) was the exception that just proved the rule.

Reply #45 Top
The library said backroom.


you won't mind providing that statement.
Reply #46 Top
you are still avoiding the challenge.


no. you continue to avoid my response. comment #27. i said i could find an objective report. i found it and i provided a link.
Reply #47 Top
The library said backroom.


you won't mind providing that statement.


Don't read to well do you?


Spanish Set to Become Official Language of Seven Denver Public Library Branches

Distribution Source : U.S. Newswire

Date : Wednesday, August 03, 2005



To: National Desk

Contact: Rob Toonkel of U.S. English, Inc., 202-833-0100

WASHINGTON, Aug. 3 /U.S. Newswire/ -- In a sharp break from American tradition, the Denver Public Library is promoting a plan that would make seven of its branches "Spanish focused," banishing English language books to the backroom.

Reply #48 Top
Don't read to well do you?


considering the fact that the denver public library didn't issue that statement, i'd say you're the one with the reading problem.
Reply #49 Top
Don't read to well do you?


considering the fact that the denver public library didn't issue that statement, i'd say you're the one with the reading problem.


This is a VERY typical liberal answer. You ask for proof, proof is given. You don't like the answer in given proof so you either bash the replier or dismiss the proof as false.
Reply #50 Top
This is a VERY typical liberal answer. You ask for proof, proof is given. You don't like the answer in given proof so you either bash the replier or dismiss the proof as false.


you didn't prove anything. i asked for the library's statement, you gave me the idiot who wrote the original article's statement.