If I wanted your political opinion, I'd have asked for it.

Oh how I wish she'd go away, part deux.

Lets' say that you wanted a nice steak for supper, but your freezer is empty.  So, you head out to your local butcher's shop, expecting him to be able to provide you with a nice cut of beef to cook for your evening meal.  When you get there, however, he sits you in a chair, throws a cape around your choulders and proceeds to give you a haircut (and a bad haircut at that; after all he's a butcher, not a barber). 

Would you be surprised and shocked?  A little irritated, even?  I would.  That's how I feel about celebrities who use their notoriety and fame as a platform to talk about their own political ideologies.  I don't like it when they do that.  I'm not interested in what they think about the president or the government, I'm more interested in watching them act, listening to them sing or tell jokes or whatever it was that made them famous in the first place.  I don't want their political opinion, I just want to be entertained.

Janine Garofalo is one such celebrity.  Not content with being funny (and that's a matter of opinion too; I never found her particularly hilarious), Ms G feels that we all should listen to her political POV too. She's very vocal about her dislike of the US and it's policies.  For example, she has this to say about GOP supporters:

'What you have now is people that are closet racists, misogynists, homophobes and people who love tilted playing fileds and the politics of exclusion identfying as conservative'.

Hmm.  And the Democrats are sooooooo much more tolerant, huh?  There are the folks who crap their pants over any display of Christianity in a public place; who, if they had their way, would remove any and all signs of God or Christ from the entire US.  They're tolerant, yeah...as long as it's not white, Christian or Republican. 

She doesn't like Old Glory either, apparently.  Or the founding fathers. 

'Our country is founded on a sham: our forefathers were rich slave owning white guys who wanted it their way.  So when I see the American flag, I go 'Oh my god, you're insulting me'.  That you can have a gay parade on Christoper Street in New York, with naked men and women on a float cheering 'we're here, we're queer!' - that's what makes my heart swell.  Not the flag, but a gay naked man or woman burning the flag.  I get choked up with pride.'

I get choked up too when I read comments like that.  My choking is a result of bile rising and irritating my throat, because comments like that really do sicken me.  People like Garofalo seem to forget that the very same amendment that allows them to spout off anti-American  propaganda also allows folks to be openly patriotic and to practice Christianity publicly.  They seem to think that the First Amendment is a door that swings one way....the liberal way.  I don't have to like what JG has to say, but I will defend her right to say it.  Doesn't mean that I can't consider her a silly cow for saying it though.

Recently JG said to Bill O'Reilly that if she were proved wrong about the Iraqi conflict she'd crawl through broken glass to apologize to President Bush:

O’Reilly: “If you are wrong, all right, and if the United States -- and they will, this is going to happen -- goes in, liberates Iraq, people in the street, American flags, hugging our soldiers, all right, we find all kinds of bad, bad stuff, all right, in Iraq, you gonna apologize to George W. Bush?”
     Garofalo promised: “I would be so willing to say I’m sorry, I hope to God that I can be made a buffoon of, that people will say you were wrong, you were a fatalist, and I will go to the White House on my knees on cut glass and say, hey, you were right, I shouldn’t have doubted you. But I think to think that is preposterous.”

THAT would be the one time I'd make an exception and pay to see Ms Garofalo in action.

 

 

 

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If it makes you feel any better i'm a Dem and i can't stand her schtick either.
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Well you could always think about it this way - how would you act in the same situation? If you were really famous, and everyone wanted to talk to you, would you just sit there and smile politely while answering the same questions every single time, or would you try to push whatever charitable cause floats your boat this week?

I don't think I'd be able to resist the urge to be publicly political if I was them, especially seeing as how I discuss it fairly openly every day anyway. Just if I was famous more people would comment on it, and I might get invites to speak about it. And if I was a celebrity, I'd probably be enough of a media slut to collect on every invite I get.
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If it makes you feel any better i'm a Dem and i can't stand her schtick either.

It does make me feel better...thanks!  Good to see you again, btw...

would you just sit there and smile politely while answering the same questions every single time, or would you try to push whatever charitable cause floats your boat this week?

Charitable causes are one thing.  What JG does is different....she slams the US at every single opportunity.  She bitches, basically. 

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Arnold Schwarzenegger might be one of the few opposite examples, only halfways though. On the David Letterman show rechanneled a bit late to Frankfurts AFN TV, he was talking selfcontradictory naive political crap in my eyes I didnt tune in for either. Now he even learned some grammar to put into his freaky pronouncation (whats mine like? Oh, well, Im not candidating for a leading position), and really became Governor of California, which caused them a financial deficit even though he is rich for technical reasons even before he was signed in.

When I tuned into to the election campaign speeches of Bushs father who already was president but recampaigning against Perot and Clinton, Perot made only 1 rhetorical slipup. That made him best. U could not trust him, though.

Clinton contradicted himself several times sounding nice, this could not happen to Bush sr., BECAUSE HE FELL ASLEEP on MILITARY TV in his REELECTION SPEECH. Impressive, working hard. Not the way to escape rhetoric flaws elegantly, though.

This was a show I DID tune in to for politics, so u right, entertainment better. Admit for business reasons, not idealism I might have voted for Bush jr. because also I was not sure Kerry had enough own strength n ideas instead of just easy opposition, if I had gone through the hassle of voting abroad by mail.
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Arnold Schwarzenegger might be one of the few opposite examples, only halfways though.


He's made a career out of it, though, so he's a little different. The Governator talked the talk, but then he backed it up and ran for office...and he walked the walk too. Sonny Bono was another example. He got famous for something totally different, then he ran for office and got elected.

Now if Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Sean Penn and Janine G would do the same thing (ie run for office).....then maybe my opinion of them would change a little.
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If it makes you feel any better i'm a Dem and i can't stand her schtick either.

Ooohhh!  We agreee again!  Getting creepy there!  Cept I am ind!

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oneguy,

I hate to say it, but that "schtick" and similar bile has hijacked your party. I wouldn't mind seeing some of you moderates reclaim it before they go completely off the deep end (if they're not there already).

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Frankfurts AFN TV,

How is my old town?

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Janine is barely on my radar, although I did enjoy her in Mystery Men.

I get really sick of the Hollywood political crap...heh, Sean Penn in particular. They had a terrific spoof of him on SNL a while back.

Perhaps we could buy an island for all of them and send them there so that they could govern and protest and suggest to their heart's content?

Nice rant.
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Texas,

I agree. It doesn't really bother me when "C" level celebs like Garafaolo clamour to be kept in the spotlight because their talent simply can't keep them there; but it does bug me when actors whose work I admire (Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, and yes, even occasionally, Sean Penn) jump on the soapbox under the pretense that their celebrity status means yu better listen up!
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The fact of the matter is, whether you like it or not, celebrities have the right to say whatever they want when they're interviewed. This is no different than local news programs stopping random people in the street and asking them what they think about Bush being reelected, or about the gay marriage issue, or about any political issue that makes big news in this country. Who cares!?!? I certainly don't. I don't care what Garafolo has to say, and I don't care what Random Guy #7 on the street has to say. The fact remains, they reserve the right to say it.

Being famous does not mean you give up your right to say what you believe.

Now, say that she went to screenings of her movies and/or shows and started screaming ideology at you while you were trying to watch, then I'd agree with you. But celebrities are not around to entertain you 24/7. Actors and comedians are there to entertain you when you're watching their movies or are at one of their shows. If you're watching an interview with someone, it is not their obligation to entertain you. They are not working. They are there because they have been invited, and while some of the interview touches on their work, there's a lot that refers to their lives and beliefs simply because interviews are where the human side of celebrities is expressed to the public, and humans have political opinions, just like they have kids, and pets, and houses, and parking tickets, and trouble on airplanes, and favorite foods and colors and tv shows, and scores of other things that are mentioned in interviews that I really have no interest in knowing.
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Philomedy: I don't think their right to spout whatever crap they want is in question.

Janine has every right to suggest that the Burger King "King" should be the supreme ruler of the world and we should all get unicorn tattoos. And I have every right to suggest that she'd stop talking about politics and lay off the black eyeliner a bit.

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And I have every right to suggest that she'd stop talking about politics and lay off the black eyeliner a bit.


I don't think that was ever in question either.
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Being famous does not mean you give up your right to say what you believe

And being famous does not mean that your opinions are any more valid or informed than anyone else's. In fact, to me, being famous means that you should exercise a higher level caution when you express your views. Freedom of speech is a double-edged sword - the other side is accountability.
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I think there is another point of view some celebraties have when it comes to espousing their political or personal beliefs. Their 'status' as stars means their message reaches a much larger audience than the average person on the street. Having said this, I generally ignore any celebrities who carry on like this.

The way I see it is if I want to hear a good song, I listen to a musician, for instance. But if he or she starts to tell me what I should be doing to save rainforests or to vote for a particular party, I equate it with a politician trying to be entertaining. It just doesn't work and ultimately pisses me off.
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The way I see it is if I want to hear a good song, I listen to a musician, for instance. But if he or she starts to tell me what I should be doing to save rainforests or to vote for a particular party, I equate it with a politician trying to be entertaining. It just doesn't work and ultimately pisses me off.

Like Johnny Carson writing jokes ofr Al Gore??????

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Tee, hhe, quite a thread! Must admit on talk shows celebrities should not just promote their stuff for hours either, the stuff they are famous for, I mean, although that is 1 reason to tune in. If it does not get to lengthy, they can sidetrack to make it more interesting. Speaking of which, Dr. Guy, you are not missing out on much in Frankfurt these days. I spent 21 years here so I am hard to disconnect completely, used to think it was more colorful in the old days when the soldiers were here and more things un-yuppie like. So thats why you even knew Spring Bock.

If celebrities talk too much about religion or other controversial things, they have a tricky position. I prefer a mix with a bit of their private hobbies or some anecdotes taken off some stage of their career you dont hear much about on stage or in the movie, whatever.

Now, you lucky guys, I will be quieting down for some weeks. See you in September, wish JU the best and sure am curious what it will be like then!

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Like Johnny Carson writing jokes ofr Al Gore??????


Or vice versa...
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Like Johnny Carson writing jokes ofr Al Gore??????


Or vice versa...

Johnny was NEVER that desperate.

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Janine has every right to suggest that the Burger King "King" should be the supreme ruler of the world and we should all get unicorn tattoos. And I have every right to suggest that she'd stop talking about politics and lay off the black eyeliner a bit.


Amen!
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Why is it that some people take any criticism of a person's speech as a denial of the person's right to speak?


And I find it hilarious that SATYROBE's rant about rhetorical goofs was packed with several metric tons of grammatical errors and gross rhetorical abuses.
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And I find it hilarious that SATYROBE's rant about rhetorical goofs was packed with several metric tons of grammatical errors and gross rhetorical abuses.


That's because English isn't his first language. German is, and if you know anything about German you'll know that the sentence structure is totally different...which might explain all the things you mentioned. Do you feel like an ass now?
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I get really sick of the Hollywood political crap...heh, Sean Penn in particular. They had a terrific spoof of him on SNL a while back.


I'm renting 'Team America' this week....I heard that the Mikey Moore puppet gets blown to bits, and when he does you see that he's full of ham. HAHAHAHAHA!!! I think that's fekkin' hilarious!

Being famous does not mean you give up your right to say what you believe.


You're right, it doesn't. However, I'm not paying for a ticket to a comedy show so that I can listen to the performer tell me how horrid Dubya is. I'm paying for the ticket so that i can listen to them tell jokes.

Philomedy: I don't think their right to spout whatever crap they want is in question.


It's not. This is just my rant about people I don't like and why. I'm expercising my First Amendment rights.


Janine has every right to suggest that the Burger King "King" should be the supreme ruler of the world and we should all get unicorn tattoos. And I have every right to suggest that she'd stop talking about politics and lay off the black eyeliner a bit.


Exactly.

I have the right to avoid spending a single dime on their products, and to write letters of complaint to their sponsors, boycotting those products as well.

I do it often. It's very empowering, that.


It is. I did it for a while. I wouldn't eat Ben and Jerry's ice cream because of their support of Mumia Al Jubar (he shot a cop in the face), and I wouldn't listen to Rage Against the Machine for the same reason. I didn't, and I won't, watch 'Bowling For Columbine' or 'Farenheit 911' because of who made them. It may sound silly to some, but you know what? I don't care. I'm adhering to what I think is right.

And being famous does not mean that your opinions are any more valid or informed than anyone else's.


In fact, they're sometimes LESS informed. It tickles me to listen to dyed-in-the-wool lefties....they talk as if they have some kind of inside info, a special source from which they obtain their information, a source that the rest of us ignoramuses don't have acess to. In reality, the information they have is the same as what the rest of the American public has; they're simply parroting propaganda. Hehe...and they call US 'sheeple'......hahahahaha.

Their 'status' as stars means their message reaches a much larger audience than the average person on the street


I understand the reasoning for doing it, I just don't agree with it. If I wanted their political opinion I'd ask them for it.
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they talk as if they have some kind of inside info, a special source from which they obtain their information, a source that the rest of us ignoramuses don't have acess to.

I think that is called Michael Moron errrrr... Moore.

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I think that is called Michael Moron errrrr... Moore.


Yeah, well....consider the source, huh?