For Christians and Muslims and All

from JoeUser Forums
I saw a quote a little while back, and while I cannot remember where I saw it, and so cannot name my source, the quote has stuck with me. It really doesn't need any explanation, so i'll just hit y'all with it here:

Attention Muslims: Watch out...Your religion is being hijacked by dangerous extremists.
Attention Christians: Ditto.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
And therein lies the need for pales of orthodoxy, learned theologists and scholars, and -- even in religion -- a sort of free market place of ideas. Bad ideas being rejected, of course. I think that's how it's always worked in the past, anyway.

Excellent point, though Phil. Very Tounge in cheek -- Alexander Pope would have liked it!
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Dangerous extremists have always been a part of not only religion, but all ideologies. When people decide that people who think or act like them are somehow "better" than anyone else, they can justify anything.

I, for one, am glad that extremists have a voice. The more they speak, the easier it is to identify them and decide for ourselves whether they are worth listening to or not (or even whether we will choose to consider them "extremists" or not).
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
It's a humerous way to portray something that is not far from the truth. I like that one.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
The more they speak, the easier it is to identify them and decide for ourselves whether they are worth listening to or not (or even whether we will choose to consider them "extremists" or not).


The problem arises when they feel like speaking isn't enough and take up arms.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

The extremist hijacking chrisitanity (which is kind of an oxymoron as Christianity is not a religion, but a collection of religions) are not blowing up planes trains, busses and buildings.

Or did I miss the latest news?

Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
The extremist hijacking chrisitanity (which is kind of an oxymoron as Christianity is not a religion, but a collection of religions) are not blowing up planes trains, busses and buildings.Or did I miss the latest news?


Yeah, cuz things never escalate, do they? And abortion clinics don't count, nor does killing doctors and patients who visit them, right?

This isn't about comparing extremists, its (hopefully) about becoming aware of extremists before they escalate. It would have been kind of nice to do that with the Muslim extremists before 9/11, don't you think?
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top

This isn't about comparing extremists, its (hopefully) about becoming aware of extremists before they escalate. It would have been kind of nice to do that with the Muslim extremists before 9/11, don't you think?

What do you think WTC 93 was?  USS Cole?  Embassies in Africa? Achille Lauro?  Munich 72?

I think the world has long been aware of muslim extremists.  For the most part, they just chose to ignore them.

Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
And abortion clinics don't count, nor does killing doctors and patients who visit them, right?


Fortunately, abortion clinic killings have gone down.

I might add, though, that one of the REASONS they have gone down is a massive, coordinated outcry against such actions by Christian ministers of ALL denominations...something the Muslim community would do well to learn from.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
For this to be the case I think you'd have to prove that religion is more radical now. In reality it isn't. Do you think there would have beena prayer of any church in the US accepting gay marriage in the 1950's? Nope.

For all the talk about religion being taken over by radicals, it is less radical, less judgmental, less hateful than in any other time in history. If anything the few hold-outs are just making more noise in response. That doesn't mean they are actually guiding it, because I think it is obvious by the religious tone of the average person they aren't.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
For all the talk about religion being taken over by radicals, it is less radical, less judgmental, less hateful than in any other time in history. If anything the few hold-outs are just making more noise in response. That doesn't mean they are actually guiding it, because I think it is obvious by the religious tone of the average person they aren't.


And yet, there are countless Muslims harrassed by federal agencies for simply being Muslim. And if you ask people to describe an American Christian, you'll get a nicely packaged definition that revolves around being anti-gay and anti-abortion. I agree that the extremists are just making more noise, but it is the loudest among us that manage to get heard...and even if most level headed individuals can sift through the crap, who ever said a majority of this world was level-headed?
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top

And if you ask people to describe an American Christian, you'll get a nicely packaged definition that revolves around being anti-gay and anti-abortion.

You better recheck.  I dont think you will get any kind of nice package, and definitely not one like you describe, unless you dig into each sect of Christianity.  Then you will get the ones that will be representative of that description, and ones that are 180 degrees in variance.

Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
This isn't about comparing extremists, its (hopefully) about becoming aware of extremists before they escalate. It would have been kind of nice to do that with the Muslim extremists before 9/11, don't you think?


The so-called extremists were a threat before Sept. 11. Has everyone forgotten the first WTC bombing? How about all the other terrorist attacks? The problem is we had two big problems, the escallation of political correctness, and a President who decided islamic terrorists were not a big problem. The war on terrorism should have started years ago, but that's what happens when democrats are in charge.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Damn...y'all get sensitive when people point out there are extremists amongst you too, don't you? You can get all self-righteous about your extremists being "better" than Muslim ones because they haven't killed mass quantities of people, if thats the way you want to go. I'd rather try to stamp them out on both sides, but whatever. Y'all keep giving me your "But Christian extremists are okay because..." all you want.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
And yet, there are countless Muslims harrassed by federal agencies for simply being Muslim.


Nope! they're being harrassed because not a one will stand up moraly or physically against the extremeists causing the terror. Have there been any who have stood up said, what is being done is wrong? And btw you can find this person at "x"? No you haven't, nor will you. When and if they do, things will change. I just hope this happens "before" some yo-yo decides to set off a hidden suitcase nuke. If they wait till afterwards, Americans will be calling for blood. And there will be a bunch that won't care whether or not the individual was actually involved. Racial profiling will become a lot more than it "already" is and in a big hurry too!
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
Nope! they're being harrassed because not a one will stand up moraly or physically against the extremeists causing the terror.


Thank you for speaking of ALL the Muslims I know that have stood up!
When will the generalisations stop?
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Thank you for speaking of ALL the Muslims I know that have stood up!
When will the generalisations stop?


Well "if" they have no one over here has heard it! And I have not as of yet heard "any" denounce the extemeists. So until I do, yes I will generalize the lot.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well "if" they have no one over here has heard it! And I have not as of yet heard "any" denounce the extemeists. So until I do, yes I will generalize the lot.


note to all muslims throughout the world: pronouncements DO NOT become official until the current prophet, drmiler (may peace be upon him), approves them.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well "if" they have no one over here has heard it! And I have not as of yet heard "any" denounce the extemeists. So until I do, yes I will generalize the lot.


note to all muslims throughout the world: pronouncements DO NOT become official until the current prophet, drmiler (may peace be upon him), approves them.


You know what kb? YOU can kiss my butt! Show me "one" that has denounced them publicly! And from a repudible source. Saying that you heard one is not a repudible source. Some form of publication or news program will suffice. Show me that and I'll apologize. Other than that my statements stand.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
YOU can kiss my butt!


sorry i am not at all innarested in engaging in any of your disgusting sexual practices.

And from a repudible source. Saying that you heard one is not a repudible source. Some form of publication or news program will suffice. Show me that and I'll apologize


aren't you one of the leaders of the 'any and all sources were equally 'repudible'' brigade? or is that only when it's your source.

in any event, google the words 'muslim condemn' and you'll find more evidence of stuff that actually exists independently of your awareness.

This week, 120 imams condemned the London bombings and said that Muslims must work with authorities to help arrest terrorists.

"Muslims in this country have to be proactive beyond the stage of condemnation," Elmasry said.

Copyright 2005 by United Press International. All Rights Reserved.

'Suicide Bombings and terrorism against all Islamic beliefs and practice' say Ahmadiyya Muslim Association.

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Association, the oldest established Islamic Community in the UK, today expressed its total condemnation of the suicide bombers who committed the atrocities of July 7.

Reacting to the news that the instigators of the attacks last Thursday travelled to London with the intention to cause destruction and death in the heart of the capital, Rafiq Hayat, National President of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association UK said: “Terrorism of any kind is against all teachings of Islam and the despicable act of suicide bombing is abhorrent and has no place in our faith. Islam places the sanctity and protection of human life at the centre of all moral values in society. Those who seek to kill and maim others through such cowardice acts have committed a crime against humanity.”

Appealing for calm, Mr Hayat added: “There is an inherent danger that extreme elements in society will seek to take advantage of this tragedy. It is therefore vital that not only should we all come together to condemn these acts, but we commit ourselves irrespective of religion, creed or background, to eradicating all evil practices and crimes of hate from Britain. Extremism of any kind against anyone has no place in a civilised society.”
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Alight then I apologize for my generalizations of "all" muslims. These should be in "our" papers as well, but they aren't. Why not? But as far as kb goes, he can stuff this whole mess where the sun don't shine! His own posterior region.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Link

"Radical clerics who preach violence are not out of touch with mainstream Muslim views, according to nearly half of British Muslims questioned in a poll."
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
From the same article linked to above:

"Almost all - 91% - were against the bombings of July 7, but 2% agreed with what the suicide bombers did."

"Around 88% thought there was no justification in the Koran for the bombings, but 5% thought there was."
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
Alight then I apologize for my generalizations of "all" muslims. These should be in "our" papers as well, but they aren't. Why not? But as far as kb goes, he can stuff this whole mess where the sun don't shine! His own posterior region.


Dude, come on! He proved you wrong! Let it go and wait for next time. This rounds over. You lost.