The Greatest Americans

According to me..

http://www.rightwingnews.com/archives/week_2005_06_12.PHP#003974

It has pained my wife and I to see the Discovery Channel's 100 Greatest Americans list with people like Oprah and such on there.  Kindred spirit John Hawkins has put up a list of his own that I largely agree with.  Here's my list:

Top 25:

1) George Washington
2) Thomas Edison
3) John Adams
4) Alexander Hamilton
5) Abraham Lincoln
6) Theodore Roosevelt
7) Andrew Jackson
8) Thomas Jefferson
9) Henry Ford
10) Benjamin Franklin
11) The Wright Brothers
12) Albert Einstein (not born here but..)
13)Alexander Graham Bell
14) Tom Paine
15) Ulyssses S Grant
16) Martin Luther King Jr.
17) Bill Gates
18) Steve Jobs
19) Walt Disney
20) James Madison
21) James Monroe
22) Harry S. Truman
23) Ronald Reagan
24) John Paul Jones
25) Ray Kroc
26) Charles lindbergh
27) Stephen King
28) Samuel Morse
29) Sam Walton
30) Dwight Eisenhower
31) Sam Houston
32) Will Sherman
33) George Lucas
34) Steven Spielberg
35) John F. Kennedy
36) George Patton
37) Sam Colt
38) John Hancock
39) Woodrow Wilson
40) Mark Twain

So that's my 2 cents. ;)

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Reply #1 Top
It's certainly better than Discovery Channel's, though I do question a couple you put up there. Ray Kroc, for instance. I mean, sure, he started the McDonalds chain, but is that even a very good thing?

Not to whore out my articles, but I started one where people vote on who they think is the greatest American, and I'll compile the list of Top 10 Americans after a bit, in case you're interested.Link

Reply #4 Top
These are my top five,i'll post the complet list later,Mine are on the left...mine are not necessarily just americans, they are either americans,or contributed directly.indirectly to america,etc...

1) John Locke (put forth the ideals america was founded on)

2) Benjamin Franklin (was a major influence and statesman during the revolution)

3)Thomas Paine (helped turn more to the cause of the american revolution)

4)F.D.R (brought america back after a shock that crushed [stock market crash] and led america through a fierce war)

5)J.F.K (IMO, helped bring back faith lost in a majority of politicians)
Reply #5 Top
All white, all male....interesting.


Last I checked MLK wasn't white.

-- B
Reply #6 Top
It has pained my wife and I


I'm sorry, but I just HAVE to say it:

It's "My wife and ME", dammit! Arrrrgh!

Would you say "It has pained I"? No! adding "my wife" doesn't affect the "me-ness" of the statement. Ack.

*pant* *pant*
Okay, done ranting now.
Reply #8 Top
must take exception to adding charles lindbergh... I know he was a ace in ww1 and did the whole spirit of st.louis thing but, he was an anti semite that did his level best to keep america out of the german war against the jews.
Reply #9 Top
Would you say "It has pained I"? No! adding "my wife" doesn't affect the "me-ness" of the statement. Ack.*pant* *pant*Okay, done ranting now.


Doesn't the plurality of the subject matter make it "My wife and I"? I've always been taught that. Of course, I was taught to say cacti, not cactuses and you know that is a no-no these days. Cacti is too confusing.

Peace,

Beebes
Reply #10 Top
Doesn't the plurality of the subject matter make it "My wife and I"?


Ack! No!
Pluralizing something can never change a "me" to an "I". How can a plural change a pronoun from the objective singular form to the nominative singular form? What it would do, would be to change the objective singular "me" to the objective plural "us". You should have learned, though, that "us", when split out, breaks into "him, her, it, you, and me": the objective singular pronouns.
Reply #11 Top

All white, all male....interesting.

That's going to come as a shock to Martin Luther King Jr. (16th).  But it's hard to find a lot of female Americans who have done anything as much as what these guys have done.  I mean, who do we pick? Susan B. Anthony because of her work in Woman's suffrage? That's about the best one can do and I don't think that qualifies to bein the top 100 let alone top 40.

Reply #12 Top
A list that's "right on". Wonderful people listed there.
Not being in my element in regards to politics, don't know if Kennedy was a great president, do know his morals were lacking, I imagine
that other presidents had that stuff going on too though.
Ray Kroc gets my vote!
No women??
How about Rose Kennedy?
Reply #13 Top
Not a bad list. Just a few quibbles...I would agree with two commenters and replace Lindbergh with Kelly Johnson. I would also replace John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. with people who actually accomplished something...maybe Harriet Tubman or Fredrick Douglass for King. Stephen King? Hey, it's your list.

But just what did JFK accomplish? He was not that popular when President, though he probably would have won over Goldwater in '64 by a margin of something like 53-47. He botched the Bay of Pigs, got us more involved in Viet Nam and got no significant legislation passed. It took his death and the muscle of LBJ to get anything done.
Reply #14 Top
But it's hard to find a lot of female Americans who have done anything as much as what these guys have done. I mean, who do we pick? Susan B. Anthony because of her work in Woman's suffrage? That's about the best one can do and I don't think that qualifies to bein the top 100 let alone top 40

How about some of these ladies??? Thank you for "getting me riled up", cause I went on a search, Betsy Ross came to mind
as did the Nightengale lady, the nurse, and then Eleanor Roosevelt, and I knew there were many more. So here are a few I
discovered.
Jane Addams (1860-1935)
This social reformer devoted her life to helping the urban poor. In 1889, she founded the Hull House in a Chicago slum, with programs such as day care and adult education. One of the first settlement houses in America, Hull House inspired many others across the nation. Although she was widely criticized for her opposition to World War I, Addams later became one of the most admired activists of the time, winning the Nobel Prize for Peace in 1931.
Mary McLeod Bethune (1875-1955)
The daughter of former slaves, this teacher and social reformer founded a school for young African-American women in 1904. She helped develop this school into Bethune-Cookman College, which is still active today in Daytona Beach, Florida. Bethune was also an advisor to President Franklin D. Roosevelt, working with the National Youth Administration. Throughout her life, she worked to improve race relations and opportunities for young African Americans. One important step in this effort was her founding of the National Council of Negro Women “to advance opportunities and the quality of life for African American women, their families, and communities. ”
Carrie Chapman Catt (1859-1947)
Catt was a teacher, journalist, lecturer, and fundraiser , but she’s best remembered as a suffrage organizer and leader. She succeeded Susan B. Anthony as president of the National American Woman Suffrage Association and developed the “Winning Plan” that worked from state to state to gain suffrage and eventually the passage of the 19th Amendment in 1920. She worked with national and international organizations, lobbied President Woodrow Wilson, led numerous campaigns, and founded the League of Women Voters. Catt was also a pacifist who worked for world peace.
Dolores Huerta (1930- )
As a teacher, Huerta saw first-hand the effects of the working conditions on migrant farm workers’ families when their children would come to school barefoot and hungry. She left teaching to work on their behalf and in 1962 co-founded the United Farm Workers (UFW) union in California with Cesar Chavez. Her work led to the passage of the Agricultural Labor Relations Act (1975), the first “bill of rights” for farm workers in the United States. One of the most respected leaders of the labor movement, she embraces nonviolent actions to fight for change
Reply #15 Top
He botched the Bay of Pigs, got us more involved in Viet Nam


nope matt that was Ike Eisenhower that got us involved in nam, and yes the bay of pigs was a mess.
Reply #16 Top
THe list is male dominated because, up until very recently, the world was male-centric. There's no denying that. Until the past few decades you didn't even see women in positions of authority in the working world, let alone politics. This isn't a knock against them saying they weren't personally capable of doing great things, but that society prevented them from doing so.

Some did, yes, they were pioneers for overcoming what they did, but when placed next to the likes of Edison, Eisnehower or MLK Jr, they just don't stack up. It's an issue of scale here and the list is trying to define the overall greatest. This usually implies greatest impact, greatest amount of influence etc...

Women not making the list isn't so much an issue of gender bias today, as it was of gender bias of yesteryear, the bias that kept women in the corner and out of sight. How will this list look in another 200 years? Fundamentally different I would bet, with an increasing number of women as society becomes more and more accepting of them in positions of power and influence.
Reply #17 Top
A lot of the list seems to be nostalgia. Of course Dragman had to place George Washington at the top of the list. The earliest of American icons. To me, a slave owning pot smoker doesn't make a person number one. Also, the list seems to be based on the good old American pastime. Capitalism. Mr. Croc of McDonald's. Of course his restaurant isn't a good thing. Watch supersize me. No food chain which, over the course of one month, serves food which shuts down your organs, is a good thing. Think of it. I'll sell pills which slowly shut your body down. Think that's a good thing? Why is McDonald's?
I don't have a list of the best Americans but no mega-million entertainer would be on it no matter their content. Now would any athletes be on it. No, the true heroes are the ones who quietly do their job and have an underlying sense of what's right and what's not. I would also avoid the nostalgia hubris, which of course would exclude the german-civilian-condemning Eisenhower or the Cuban-civilian-murdering Kennedy. Edison is near the top as he should be.
Reply #18 Top
Stephen King? Ray Kroc? One writes mediocre novels and the other started McDonalds. Why not put James Patterson and the creepy king from the BK commercials on here too?

And as long as we're kicking out Lindbergh for the anti-semitism, how bout getting Henry Ford too? And even if we don't, MLK should be higher than him.
Reply #19 Top
#18 by Philomedy
Tuesday, June 14, 2005


And as long as we're kicking out Lindbergh for the anti-semitism, how bout getting Henry Ford too? And even if we don't, MLK should be higher than him.


agreed, ford was another blot on humanity.
Reply #20 Top
Well why not toss out Thomas Jefferson while we're at it. He had slaves.  Sheesh, the political correctness stench around here is getting quite repugnant.  Make your own list of politically correct heroes if you want.
Reply #21 Top
Why is JFK on the list? Because without JFK, it's very unlikely we would have ever gone to the moon and like it or not, human beings walking on another world is a pretty big deal (it is in my book).  Not to mention all the corresponding technologies we enjoy today that were an off-shoot of the space program.
Reply #22 Top
Reply By: DraginolPosted: Tuesday, June 14, 2005Well why not toss out Thomas Jefferson while we're at it. He had slaves. Sheesh, the political correctness stench around here is getting quite repugnant. Make your own list of politically correct heroes if you want.


for me it's not P.C. brad, as a jew is just naturally do not like bigots.
Reply #23 Top
LMAO Its just a F***ing list people... *shakes his head sadly*
Reply #24 Top
I think it is interesting that you dismiss the women's suffrage movement but include the civil rights movement (are they not very similar for two different groups?).

I think that these women could easily be added to the list:

Pocahontas (she saved Jamestown colonist Captain John Smith from execution by Algonquin chief Powhatan).
Clara Barton (she established the American branch of the Red Cross)
Rosa Parks (sparked the Montgomery, Alabama, bus boycott).
Reply #25 Top
I think what is funny is that you laugh at Oprah being on Disney's list (Disney owns ABC of which Oprah is on... now THAT is funny), but then include the likes of George Lucas, and Steven Spielberg.

I think Rosa parks counts if your going to put MLK in.

Oh the heck with it!!!

I must make my own list!!!!! Probably include most of the people in yours... and no Steve Jobs... well maybe, if I have room.