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Where is the Justice???

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Where is the Justice???

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Abu Bakar Bashir a convicted terrorist gets 30 months Jail for masterminding the BAli bombings which killed 202 people including 88 Aussies.



Schapelle Corby gets 20 Years Jail for allegedly smuggling 4 kgs of Marijuana into Bali.

WHERE IS THE JUSTICE??
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
I understand your outrage, PB, but watch how it plays. There is injustice here, but how it is covered will show how the 'powers-that-be' want to skew opinion to indonesia. Feel it out, form what opinion you find, but don't be a party to folks who have been hankering to shove Australian opinion this way or that.

Counter to my advice, I would probably tend to agree with those who want to breed hate against Indonesia. There's a LOT more there than one woman and a few kilos of pot, though. While I would like to see her released, I would hate to think that it would 'settle' people down regarding Indonesia.

I think it is a shame that such a, (sorry to be harsh), commonplace thing would rouse the ire of Australians when examples of injustice, wrongdoing, and impending doom have been stewing for a decade.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
Guys the underworld of drugs and corruption is one that would make your hair stand on end. They do what is needed to get their way. There is more to this than meets the eye


--Yep, and one of the biggest cartels here in oregon, (pretty much runs up and down the west coast) is M-13, a mexican ran cartel (i think, might be columbian...)
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
While I would like to see her released, I would hate to think that it would 'settle' people down regarding Indonesia.


--But she was caught with drugs right, if so, shouldn't she spend some time in jail, or at least be reprimanded in some way...(not sure if reprimanded is the word i'm looking for...)
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
"But she was caught with drugs right, if so, shouldn't she spend some time in jail, or at least be reprimanded in some way..."

Frankly, I don't believe you can trust in any justice handed out there. After watching their politics for several years and expecting doom to leech out of their horrible country at any minute, I really don't consider them to have any authority at all. If Australia wanted to remove her militarily I wouldn't give a damn.

Write this down and call me a prophet later. I'd bet cash that within the next 10 years something very ugly will come from Indonesia. I have had a creepy feeling about it since Suharto. It is the world's most populous Islamic nation, and a place where basically no one is in charge.

Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
Frankly, I don't believe you can trust in any justice handed out there


I can understand why some people might feel this way but I don't support the view. I would rather trust the Indonesian legal system and see the conviction overturned through due process than any other option, particularly the idea to

remove her militarily


This would be disasterous for both nations and the very suggestion scares the crap out of me.

a place where basically no one is in charge.


Baker, this is patently wrong. Sure, there have been human rights issues and questions over corruption within the Indonesian government, but there are plenty of other nations also accused of such activities. What your statement implies is that Indonesia is an anarchistic state and that is simply not true.
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top

M-13


Last I knew it was Mexican
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
"What your statement implies is that Indonesia is an anarchistic state and that is simply not true."


I would suggest you look into how much control the government of Indonesia has outside its main population centers. There are large areas that are controlled by militants. There is a huge piracy problem, and I don't mean Napster. Just look at a map of the country. One could make the argument that it is simply impossible to govern given the state it is in now.

The government that they do have is notoriously corrupt, so even where they ARE in control, you still don't know who is in control. I let my yap run too much sometimes, but I am very confident in my opinion of Indonesia.
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
But the media has played on your and the general public's emotions so much throughout this trial, I wouldn't be surprised if some still believed her innocent even if the evidence proved otherwise.


But that is just the thing .. for me it has nothing to do with the media. It is what I know from the inside.
but watch how it plays


That is what I am going to do..
Write this down and call me a prophet later. I'd bet cash that within the next 10 years something very ugly will come from Indonesia. I have had a creepy feeling about it since Suharto. It is the world's most populous Islamic nation, and a place where basically no one is in charge.


I agree with you Baker here. But seeing the "outrage" that people are feeling now due to recent happenings I dont think anyone is seeing clearly. That was one of my arguments here.. Abu Bakar Bashir the mastermind of the bali bombings gets only 4 years in jail. People are saying yeah well the people who actually planted the bombs got the death penalty, but the guy who planned it all gets away ranting and raving how Australia is against Allah and moslems. ? Make sense? No not to me it doesnt.

They seem to be protecting their own just like we should be doing here.

Recently 9 people were arrested in Bali all aussies and all had heroine strapped to their bodies. Well I think they are dumb and deserve what they get. That was blatent stupidity on their behalf. But with Schapelle, it is a different story all together.

What your statement implies is that Indonesia is an anarchistic state and that is simply not true.


Hmm.. I think this is not too far from the truth.

Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm not trying to be argumentative, Phoenix, but what could you possibly 'know from the inside'? For instance, have a look at the link on Champas latest post, the one pointing to Andrew Bolt's article in the Herald Sun. I believe his recounting of it as much as I believe anyones. My point is for every pro-Schapelle story, there is an anti-Schapelle story.

Baker, I appreciate you have your opinion. I also appreciate how hard it might be to govern all the different islands that make up Indonesia. And like many other nations, there are some problems between the diverse groups of people living there, making for some volatile and, indeed, lawless parts of the land. And as for corruption, well even the most powerful nations in the world have been accused of this in the past. But I don't believe this makes a case for needless fear-mongering and paranoia about Indonesia. And what has being a Muslim nation got to do with it? Remember, there is also a very large Christian population living there as well. In fact, the chief judge of Corby's trial is a Christian.

I appreciate your candidness and that you are confident in your opinions. I too have confidence in mine. I guess the best we can do is watch to see what will happen next.
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
"And what has being a Muslim nation got to do with it? Remember, there is also a very large Christian population living there as well."


I suspect folks like Abu Bashir probably wouldn't choose a nation, say, like France to try to turn into a Talaban-style state. Indonesia has a lot to offer them, and a large, poverty-ridden Muslim population is a means to and end.

To put it into perspective, the US population is almost 300 million. Indonesia has a population of almost 250 million. Since Jakarta doesn't actually control a lot of Indonesia, extremists really don't have to worry much about it.

They can annex what parts they can, and leave the rest. Such a place holds a lot of manpower and natural resources for them.
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
M-13



Last I knew it was Mexican


Actually it is MS 13 (Mara Salvatrucha), and mostly El Salvadorians.