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Atheism is Poor Science

Atheism is Poor Science

Now, I'm going to ruffle a few feathers here, but hear me out. It is my contention that an absolute position of atheism is poor science and that a scientist who holds it is operating from a preconceived bias that taints his research.

Science is, in essence, the quest for knowledge. We attempt to discover more and more about our universe through a series of observations, hypotheses, and tests. And, through the course of history, we have discovered much.

But each breakthrough discovery was the result of someone realizing there was something to be observed beyond their five senses. And so they devised instruments to observe the unobservable, measure the immeasurable. And we owe much to their research, for without it, we might never have discovered that the earth revolves around the sun, or the existence of the North and South American continents, or the atom...and we most certainly would have no clue about DNA. All of these discoveries and many others as well came about because a scientist dared challenge longheld empirical observations of others.

The metaphysical is not a nonexistent world; it is simply a world that is unobservable using our current standards of observation. We have limited capacity to observe beyond our five senses, but just because we can't observe it doesn't make it any less real. The fact is that the atheistic scientist accepts as much on faith as the fundamental Christian, or Jew, or Muslim. Carbon dating, for instance, must rely on the THEORY that carbon decay is constant in diverse climates and conditions throughout an extended period of time. Granted, it's a theory that seems to hold up, but the same EMPIRICAL evidence that the atheist demands for the existence of a god is lacking in the theory of carbon dating. The same could be said of evolution from one CLASS of animals to another; there is simply no empirical observation of a reptile giving birth to a bird. It just doesn't happen, and much of the system of the two classes of animals are different; enough so that a reasonable scientist SHOULD question the absolutism of those who claim this evolutionary pattern.

I have heard it said that the only intellectually defensible position in the area of spirituality is agnosticism. While pure atheism contradicts a truly scientific approach, so does "pure" belief in any PARTICULAR religion (again, one's bias taints the results).

The problem I have with atheism is that it is an ABSOLUTE position...and declares definitively that one can know the unknowable; that is, the existence or nonexistence of God. Atheism, then, is as much grounded in emotion as is Christianity, or any other faith. It is not in any manner objective.

Still wonder why I consider it a religion?

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As we said, it's all about personal convictions and beliefs. Some people believe that the creation story is true, and will poke holes in the theory of evolution. Others believe that evolution is true and will find flaws in creationsim.

And then there are those of us who subscrive to intelligent design.  Eve lived 250k years ago in east africa (acording to DNA), and we dont know who Adam was yet.  But life existed long before then, it is just human conception at the time could not fathom that (genetic memory).

So we accept parts of Darwin, and parts of (as in parables) the old testament,  And in the end, I think (I am biased here!  BIASED STATEMENT COMING UP!) I am closer to the truth than the others.

But then, that is just me.  Are you wrong?  Hell, I dont know!  Is Myrr wrong?  Same answer. but I BELIEVE (not know) that I am right.

So I dont have a problem with pink skys (but I do with yellow polka dots!)

Reply #27 Top
I have a friend who is an athiest, and i asked him one questio: "Think as far back as you can,to the first time the universe existed, and tell me, where did that come from, how could their "just be" something from nothing?"

(Check out my article coming up...)
Reply #28 Top
I have a friend who is an athiest, and i asked him one questio: "Think as far back as you can,to the first time the universe existed, and tell me, where did that come from, how could their "just be" something from nothing?"


hehehehehehe! I ask that question all the time, and the answer is silence!

WE DONT KNOW! And neither do they actually!
Reply #29 Top
And then there are those of us who subscrive to intelligent design.


And that's what I do. I don't believe the entire universe happened by accident, but I also don't believe that we were all created from some dude's rib and that everything came to pass in a week.
I take a little from this, a little from that, and come up with my own theory. I think that there are more things that we DON'T know than we DO know, and that there are divine forces at work. Dunno what they look like, dunno what to call them...but they're there.

I also don't know for sure what happens to use after we die because I've never been there. But....I have my own theory about that.

Ted's convinced the sky's purple, btw.
Reply #30 Top
WE DONT KNOW! And neither do they actually!


I tend to think that we just, right now, cannot comprehend what there was before the universe, divine or otherwide. Imagine trying to explain a cell phone to a farmer in the 1700s, or the 1800s for that matter.

I think Guy is right, we don't know. But, I believe we, as Mankind, can, eventually find out.

IG
Reply #31 Top
Absolutes, Absolutes, there are absolutely no absolutes....uhhh? Really, are you sure, ...Oh, yes! there are no absolutes....Are you sure...Yes!....Absolutely!...lol.
Reply #32 Top
It is my contention that an absolute position of atheism is poor science


Atheism is not a science.

declares definitively that one can know the unknowable; that is, the existence or nonexistence of God.


That is agnosticism. Atheism states definitately that there is no God.

Of course it doesn't happen.....anymore. Just as apes no longer give birth to man.


That isn't how evolution works.

We only use a small percentage of our brain.


This is a popular myth.

Reply #33 Top
From the National Academy of Sciences website Link
Isn't evolution just an inference?
No one saw the evolution of one-toed horses from three-toed horses, but that does not mean that we cannot be confident that horses evolved. Science is practiced in many ways besides direct observation and experimentation. Much scientific discovery is done through indirect experimentation and observation in which inferences are made, and hypotheses generated from those inferences are tested.

Is evolution a fact or a theory?
The theory of evolution explains how life on Earth has changed. In scientific terms, "theory" does not mean "guess" or "hunch" as it does in everyday usage. Scientific theories are explanations of natural phenomena built up logically from testable observations and hypotheses. Biological evolution is the best scientific explanation we have for the enormous range of observations about the living world.

If humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes?
Humans did not evolve from modern apes, but humans and modern apes shared a common ancestor, a species that no longer exists. Because we share a recent common ancestor with chimpanzees and gorillas, we have many anatomical, genetic, biochemical, and even behavioral similarities with these African great apes. We are less similar to the Asian apes--orangutans and gibbons--and even less similar to monkeys, because we share common ancestors with these groups in the more distant past.

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More Link

Creationism, intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life or of species are not science because they are not testable by the methods of science. These claims subordinate observed data to statements based on authority, revelation, or religious belief. Documentation offered in support of these claims is typically limited to the special publications of their advocates. These publications do not offer hypotheses subject to change in light of new data, new interpretations, or demonstration of error. This contrasts with science, where any hypothesis or theory always remains subject to the possibility of rejection or modification in the light of new knowledge.
Reply #35 Top
Now, I'm going to ruffle a few feathers here

Gid.... Iwould say you ruffled more than just feathers. Looks like you removed the eggs from the next and broke them in tiny pieces, and if that were not enough you torched the nest..... nothing more than a pile of ashes.

I am a fool. I am not looking for proof.. The just shall live by faith....

I must agree- I think atheism is a religion, one just does not realize what god he is worshiping.

preacherman
Reply #36 Top
Yo Preach, Atheism needs a new one. Infinite Information.......mmmm? Einstein and Newton had no problem believing in .........GOD instead of GLOB. Luther said, "Let God be God". Paul says, 'the invisible nature of God is clearly seen through the things that were created.....' [Romans 1]
Reply #37 Top

Stutefish: Look at the evidence we have. The fossils, the remains of our ancestors. Look at the scientific evidence for evolution...

dharma,

All that evidence points to is evolution WITHIN species. It does not point to evolution between the species.

Anyway, this isn't the chief point of this article. The chief point is that absolute atheism, just as any absolute religious position, relies on faith and is poor science because of the fact that one's foregone conclusions taint one's observations. I'll explain this further in a later article, but wanted to establish perspective.

Reply #38 Top
is poor science because of the fact that one's foregone conclusions taint one's observations


Gideon is right... "we see things not as they are but as we are". The biggest obstacle that one has to overcome in order to see truth, is one's self.

preacherman