Real Angels aren't faggots

and they don't do tricks

I recently became aware of the 'Left Behind' series of books and movies, set in the days after the Rapture when all the true believers get to go home with Jesus. I thought it was a reasonably interesting take on the topic - if abominably written (and acted), cardboard characters drooling sentimentality at every turn and a theology that wasn't so much faithful to its source but a parody of it instead.

Christianity has been rendered devoid of mystery and terror. It can be seen in the ease with such anodine pap can be accepted as a portrayal of an event which, were it to take place, would be the antithesis of the accepted rationality of our times. Such an event would the triumph of the anti-real over Reason.

And now it's the basis of a soap-opera.

You can see the same de-mystification of things in the inversion of the word 'awesome' in popular usage. The word derives from the Old English egefull, meaning dreadful - as in to inspire dread, terror, and the awareness of imminent and unavoidable destruction. Now it means something liked or desired, something particularly appreciated or satisfactory. It means a particularly effective detergent; the most recent technotoy, the ride you get in your new car.

Say to someone now "My God is High and Awesome" and he'll think you mean stoned and, like, the PS2.

And then there's what's happened to the portrayal of Angels in Christian culture. Go read Exodus, where God's chief killer (and a child killer at that) is an Angel. Go read Ezekiel, where the Angels are more freakish than anything dreamed up in Hollywood, where the mere vision of them leaves the prophet stunned and helpless for a week after. Then walk into a store selling Christian literature and imagery. Go look at the pretty blonde boys in bedsheets; or go watch such feeble nonsense as 'Highway to Heaven' and 'Touched by an Angel'. You've only to do these things in order to see what it is that has taken the place of the Celestial Killers and Monsters the prophets knew, an iconography that has been emasculated - castrated in favour of the depiction of an effette whitebread jesus and a host of heavenly faggots.

Fortunately, the real Angels don't give a fuck what we think about them. And they haven't changed from Ezekiel's day.

You might wonder how I know. Those few of you who've read what I write here know that I am a Ritual Magickian. Those fewer still who have read and paid attention will also know that I am a Chaote deriving inspiration from the tradition of Thelemic Ritual. One aspect of that tradition that has inspired me from the beginning is its injunction to attain to the 'knowledge and conversation of ones Holy Guardian Angel'.

But since I am a Chaote, and since Chaos knows no morality, on first encountering this injunction it occurred to me to ask, "What would my Holy Guardian Angel look like if divested of the pious spunsugar crap that the common Christian cocoons his Angels in?"

If Chaos knows no morality, it knows a fractal symmetry and order. Which is to say, "As above, so below". And since that's so, Hell can never have been more (or less) than Heaven reversed in all its relations, and the Demonic no more than the Love of Angels for Men revealed in all its cruelty.

When Metatron, Angel of Death and God's Choirmaster, killed the firstborn sons of Egypt he had a smile for every killing, and a frown for every jew-brat he had to spare. In case you aren't aware let me tell you the truth of it - Angels don't like us, the second-born raised above the first and given command over them.

They may not like us but they lust after us and they're easily seduced: especially if one foregoes command and chooses obedience. Oh, not to the will of the Angel, but to the will of the Thing that produced Angels and Magickians both.

The Angel I know I described here (Link) though I called him by another Name. Not that the Name isn't his, I just hadn't quite come to terms with the fractal nature of the Divine (dualism is hard to erase from the mind).

As I said - I am a Chaote deriving inspiration from Thelema. The Angel I sought was a Killer and a Monster, with ten thousand eyes in each of its six wings and the head of a Bull, a Lion and a Man combined. I found him, of course - because whatever is truly sought after Magickally is always found. And I learned that the Demonic and the Angelic are as close to each other as breath and the body that breathes it, and each are equally innocent.

Innocent, because whatever obeys the law of its nature is in accord with the principle of perfect Justice through which God first created the possibility of Being, and then the actuality of Being - not merely its foundational principles but its unfolding into every actual sphere of life. That which accords with justice has committed no crime and therefore cannot be condemned. What cannot be condemned is innocent. Angels, Demons, Men - we all embody this principle, which is no more than this: you can't fight what you are, without twisting what you are into something perverse and corrupt.

To be innocent in this way, innocent because expressing perfectly the unfettered actuality of what one is, is a perspective and a way of life that can't be supported by the common man's Christianity. Daddy-god is supposed to save me from my sinful heart (if my heart is sinful) not give me a means to perfectly express it. Angels are meant to keep us on the straight and narrow, not be complicit in the service of our lusts. Demons are not meant to guide, to inspire, to bring about self-knowledge and self-control. Yet if you look at the origin of the word, the Greek Daimon, from which the Christian Demon derives, did exactly those things.

And the iconography of contemporary Christianity has no image which can in any way express the existential terror, the awareness of dissolution, embodied in the confrontation with a Being that knows itself absolutely, which serves a purpose entirely Other to anything we know as a purpose of our own.

One must be subtle when dealing with Angels. It's always wise to remember that while they will always deal cunningly with the Desires of Men, and with the Magickians who invoke them for the satisfaction of those Desires, they will never be less than honest when dealing with the will of the God whose slaves they are. The Magickian who deals with Angels (or Demons if you prefer) must remember that while he has authority to command, he hasn't the wit to forsee every consequence of his command - and that the malice of the Angels will see to it that, in the end, every command returns upon him to his hurt.

I am a Magickian. I deal with Angels, for love of their terror, their horror, and their beauty, in desire of their wisdom and their power. I invoke them, I command them to appear, to shelter, protect and guide me. But not in my name. Not ever in my name, but in the Name of the Thing that made us both, whose Servant I am just as they are.

And that being so, they are friendly to me (as friendly as Angels ever get) and do my bidding. That, and the fact that I don't bother them with petty shit like making money, being happy, and getting laid.

If, in my dealings with Angels, I'd discovered a bunch of pretty faggots in white bedsheets who could do tricks I wouldn't be concerned about invoking them for personal wealth, health and general well-being - and I'd be living in Califoria channeling healing spirits and playing with crystals instead of conversing with creatures whose breath can wither the marrow, the brush of whose feathers destroys nations - I'd be a Wiccan, or a Satanist, or a Christian, instead of a Ritual Magickian.

That is what I am, however. When I invoke the Angelic Powers it's not because I need a job or a promotion, or because I'm dying of cancer, or because I want my neighbour's wife. It's in pursuit of those things I desire that pertain exclusively to what is revealed in the knowledge and conversation of my own Angel/Daimon.

I suppose you might want to know what such conversation sounds like, what might the substance of such knowledge be?

I won't tell you.
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Interesting.
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Resemble anyone you have met lately? ... I too have looked at the cover of Tim La Haye's books and well, I admit I never even bothered to read them. Drivel has a way of drivelling one's braincells into mud.

What puzzles me is why you waste your efforts dealing with Angels, when you could be dealing with Jahashuah ha Massiach. He after all created all things, whether visible or invisible.

I spent most of my time like you seem to have in dumbassville. Why not come out into the Light?

This is an introduction from Him to you via me. So count yourself invited by Jesus Christ to meet Him. You will no be disappointed, He never disappoints anyone who comes to Him.

I deeply respect you openess and applaude you straight faced words. I hope you will find that Jesus satisfies the longing of your soul, for he truely is AWESOME...and I do not mean the bubblegum pharaseaology of that mindless set who use it like He were a new skateboard.

I have heard his voice and am convinced that if you have not yet already met Him, some do and turn away. However, I waited on Him and in His time He opened the ears and eyes of my heart and I heard and saw and continue to do so. I do not know if you will neccesarily find a warm reception, for it seems you have drifted into places where the light does not go. For those who name the Name of Jesus Christ must depart from iniquity. I hope you are able to sustain in His presence. Good Light

Peace.
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I must agree EOIC- Ezekiel's discription of the angelic beings is quite unusual and somewhat bizarre, but then again we only give credience to their discription with human intellect.

I have never heard of your faith?

Ritual Magickian. Those fewer still who have read and paid attention will also know that I am a Chaote deriving inspiration from the tradition of Thelemic Ritual. One aspect of that tradition that has inspired me from the beginning is its injunction to attain to the 'knowledge and conversation of ones Holy Guardian Angel'.

Is this similar to the promise the serpent made Eve in the garden?

If Chaos knows no morality, it knows a fractal symmetry and order. Which is to say, "As above, so below". And since that's so, Hell can never have been more (or less) than Heaven reversed in all its relations, and the Demonic no more than the Love of Angels for Men revealed in all its cruelty.

Your doctrine is flawed, masked by deceptions of the darkness. Christ is the Light of the world. If any man will follow Him, he shall have the light of life and will not stumble in this corruption of darkness.

This is an introduction from Him to you via me. So count yourself invited by Jesus Christ to meet Him. You will no be disappointed, He never disappoints anyone who comes to Him.

Excellent advice aeryck.... EOIC, you would do well to consider His Christ.

preacherman
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But he said that his Christ wouldn't like him!


Even more the reason to be the reciptient of His mercy and forgiveness.... no soul will want to be His enemy.

preacherman
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To aeryck:

What puzzles me is why you waste your efforts dealing with Angels, when you could be dealing with Jahashuah ha Massiach.


I haven't come across that spelling before. However, it evidently derives in some way from 'Yahveh', 'Yahweh', 'Yehovah', or 'Jehovah', all of which are derived by misunderstanding what happens when the hebrew vowel signs for 'adonai' are written around the tetragrammaton (YHVH). What happens is that meaningless gibberish is produced.

As to why I waste my time with Angels (and only in contemporary Christianity is it possible to consider conversing with Angels as a waste of time - the prophets of the Old Testament would disagree with you there) as opposed to dealing with 'Jahashuah ha Massiach' - its because the person you refer to exists only as a product of a faulty understanding of hebrew grammar.

The god you think you worship is a typo. And I'd rather talk with an Angel than a typo. Wouldn't you?

I deeply respect you openess and applaude you straight faced words.


Thank you for that.

As to your invitation to meet Jesus, I have to say in reply that I met the man some years ago and, to cut a long story short, ardent love became first disenchantment, then disappointment, and finally indifference. I see no reason to renew my acquaintance with him now.

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To preacherman:

Your doctrine is flawed, masked by deceptions of the darkness.


Heaven and hell, light and dark, good and evil... as is at least implicit in the article, I no longer have any interest in purely binary distinctions of this sort. Half the illogicalities of Christianity could be removed at a stroke if those who claim to be good orthodox Christians would only realize that they are in fact Manichean heretics, dualists to the core.

As to my doctrine being flawed... the finite cannot comprehend the Infinite. So any time the finite attempts to think the Infinite, its thought (no matter who the thinker is and no matter what his intentions) is inevitably flawed, since it necessarily fails to comprehend the fulness of God. All thinking about God is flawed, and pointing it out in relation to a particular thought does not invalidate that thought. It merely points to one of the essential characteristics of all thoughts about the Divine.

As to my thinking being masked by darkness and deception... if all thinking is flawed all thinking, to one degree or another, is marked by the 'darkness' of error. And to present what's necessarily erroneous as perfect truth is, I agree, deceptive. Yet that's what Christians do: present flawed and erroneous thinking about God as universal truth. You yourself admit it, in your comment on Ezekiel -

Ezekiel's discription of the angelic beings is quite unusual and somewhat bizarre, but then again we only give credience to their discription with human intellect


If my thinking is deceptive then it's less so than that of the majority of 'good' Christians - I at least admit that my truth is flawed and deceptive.

You both seem quite keen to invite me to meet Jesus. As I said in my reply to aeryck I met the man sometime ago, was in fact for many years a 'born again' Charismatic Christian zealot. I preached the gospel of Jesus Christ on the streets; I took the poor of the streets into my house to feed and wash them. What I gained in return was disappointment, disillusionment, confusion and heartbreak.

No. I've no wish to meet Jesus Christ again and must respectfully decline the invitation.

As to your never having heard of Ritual Magick this doesn't surprize me. I don't make my faith known to those who know me in the everyday world, and the practices of my faith are private. And it's the same for all Magickians who have come to an understanding of what their Magickal Work will involve. Such things proceed best in silence.


Is this similar to the promise the serpent made Eve in the garden?


The injunction to seek the knowledge and conversation of one's Holy Guardian Angel is not even implicitly a promise - so the short answer to your question is 'no, it's not'. Is it an opening to greater freedom, to greater power over onself, others and the world? Yes, it is. Just as the promise made to Eve (a promise kept in full) was such an opening. Is it, in that sense, a temptation? Yes, it is.

And personally I see nothing wrong with temptation. I give in to it whenever I can as I learnt long ago that nothing is more pathetic than regret for temptation resisted. Is it something I would refuse? No, not knowing what I now know.
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EOIC- Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; how shall we escape, if we neglect so great a salvation which at first began to be spoken by the Lord and was confirmed unto us by them that heard them. God bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

As I said in my reply to aeryck I met the man sometime ago, was in fact for many years a 'born again' Charismatic Christian zealot.


Rather be concerned my friend that you heard another gosple, whcich taught of another Jesus and another spirit..... for he that meets The Lord Of Glory, The God Man shall never forget His love and mercy. For He that has been highly exhalted and given a name above every other name (JESUS) is much more than just a man. He is God in the Flesh.

preacherman
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To preacherman:

"For He that has been highly exhalted and given a name above every other name (JESUS) is much more than just a man. He is God in the Flesh."

I used to think the same, but as I believe I've made clear - I'm no longer of that opinion. And before you point it out let me say now that Im an Apostate, a Heretic, and will quite rightly go to Hell.

Except that my Hell is also my Heaven and my Heaven, Hell (as I've also pointed out, before now)so the prospect of being separated from him in Eternity doesn't really affect me as you might wish it would.

As to my hearing another gospel... it's more accurate to say that it was the silencing of the gospel of Jesus Christ, its attenuation over years into a meaningless jabber, that finally convinced me that I was no longer a Christian in any usual sense of the word.
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Go look at the pretty blonde boys in bedsheets; or go watch such feeble nonsense as 'Highway to Heaven' and 'Touched by an Angel'. You've only to do these things in order to see what it is that has taken the place of the Celestial Killers and Monsters the prophets knew, an iconography that has been emasculated - castrated in favour of the depiction of an effette whitebread jesus and a host of heavenly faggots.


emporor.... this may come as a shock but I concur..... the church today does not have a clue as to what exist in the spiritual realm. For the most part they- (christian arena) has fashioned themselve gods, in the image of their perception of the angelic realm. They are in fact no different than the silver trinkets of Demetrius's day.

With regard to hollywood's depiciton? Well you can figure that one out. Neither hold a credence to the revelation of God's most Holy Word. So needless to say, the pretty blonde boys in bedsheets don't don't warrant a glimps, and the Hollywod stories, I do not entertain.

Except that my Hell is also my Heaven and my Heaven, Hell (as I've also pointed out, before now)so the prospect of being separated from him in Eternity doesn't really affect me as you might wish it would.


By you own testimony, you are a student of the scriptures, you most certainly know that the angels with the like of which you converse are kept in store, reserved in everlasting chains of darkness, unto the judgement of the great day.

There is mercy my friend, but not for the spirit that speaketh. Greater is He that is in God than he that is in the world.

preacherman

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To preacherman:

By you own testimony, you are a student of the scriptures, you most certainly know that the angels with the like of which you converse are kept in store, reserved in everlasting chains of darkness, unto the judgement of the great day.


I'm a student of many scriptures (though the tradition I know best is Protestant Christianity). What any such study reveals is the unreliability of all scripture when regarded as the infallible word of God to Man. While the testimonies of God may be perfect and imperishable, the minds that interpret, the ears that hear, and the hands that record those testimonies - are not.

Even at the height of my Christian zealotry, the notion of scripture as infallible held no conviction for me and I read widely in the Apocrypha, in the texts of the Gnostics and other early Christian sects, and in the tradition of Western Christian mysticism. And yes, I'm perfectly well aware that many Christian texts (especially Revelations and the Book of Enoch) reserve a certain class of Angels for judgment.

I'm also well aware that other texts (Hebrews in particular) present teachings concerning the Divine nature of the man Jesus - and if I can now happily deny the latter you can't imagine that I have any problem in denying the former, too.

Let me put it before you plainly: I deny that the man Jesus, whom you refer to as Jesus Christ, is the Lord and Savior of the world. I deny that he is my savior and I deny that he is yours - though naturally, I don't expect my denial to affect your beliefs.

I am a monotheist, not a trinitarian. I believe the universe and all it contains was created as much in cruelty as in love. I believe that the most readily discernible qualities of God, as deduced from a variety of scriptures and the nature of the world we find ourselves in, are an abiding taste for genocide, an unhealthy interest in blood sacrifice, a fondness for bad jokes (the ostrich, the duckbilled platypus, Mankind, are all examples of God's sense of humor), as well as holiness, righteousness, and unconquerable will.

I believe that nobody in their right mind would ever set out to attract God's attention - and that being so that all Magickians are in some way crazed and I more than most, since that's what Magickians do, since that's what I do every day in my Ritual.

As an aside, there are some Magickians who deny vehemently that that's what they do. Some would say they wake the God in themselves. Some would say that 'God' is a meta-explanation of micro-explanations that cannot make sense; that will alone is the engine of the universe and can be set in motion in the world through Ritual acts. As with any other approach to God, there are as many forms of Magick as there are practioners to practice them.

And I also believe that none of the explanations matter because all of them are in essence lies - because all fall short of the fulness of the mystery and terror of God.

To paraphrase Crowley: Believe as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. The trick is to know the nature of the Law.
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To paraphrase Crowley


Ah.... a familiar name, Crowley as in Alister... to paraphrase his god.. for thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

the rest of the story..... yet thou shalt be brought down to hell (your heaven), to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake the kingdoms; that made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened the house of his prisoners?

And yes, I'm perfectly well aware that many Christian texts (especially Revelations and the Book of Enoch) reserve a certain class of Angels for judgment.I'm also well aware that other texts (Hebrews in particular) present teachings concerning the Divine nature of the man Jesus - and if I can now happily deny the latter you can't imagine that I have any problem in denying the former, too.


The chains are most certain and secure, to the fact that one questions the validity of this promise does not change the devine course. Nevertheless not our will be done but His.

preacherman

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'Jesus' carries any kind of divine meaning,


Quite the contrary my friend, If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are all men most misereable, but not only in this life but the life to come.

Since it's becoming evident that you won't ask this kind of question I'm going to ask it of myself for you. What kind of salvation am I talking about?


Herein lies the error of your doctrine; "Neither is there SALVATION in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." NO JESUS.... NO SALVATION

I don't believe in either damnation or the devil


As to why I waste my time with Angels (and only in contemporary Christianity is it possible to consider conversing with Angels as a waste of time -


Have they not in your conversation told you that this Christ you mock and disdain it the same God that will one day judge the unbelieving soul?
"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils aslo believe and tremble"

We can agree, that I shall not change you and rest assured you doctrine will not ever be accepted by me.

preacherman
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To preacherman:

I began some sort of epic in response to you - but in the nick of time I realized it was all bullshit.

What exactly are you trying to tell me that you think I don't understand, and that I haven't already told you? That I'm damned? I agree, or at least I agree that the ultimate end I face would probably equate to damnation in that it involves not being where the god of the Christians is. Does my damnation bother me? No, because it arises as a consequence of the decree of a god that doesn't exist.

My God doesn't exist either - on your terms my God is a blasphemous perversion. C'est la vie c'est la guerre. I can be this blase because looking at God your way never got me anywhere while looking at God my way gets me results.

Rather than threatening me with hell, why don't you tell me what you think I'll be missing in heaven.
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To preacherman:

"Does my damnation bother me? No, because it arises as a consequence of the decree of a god that doesn't exist." Let me rephrase this: I believe you Christians have a God just as I do. Your God is Jesus. And Jesus the God exists. In technical terms he's an agregor, an autonomous spiritual entity generated from the combined will and faith of those who believe in that entity.

Didn't want to dis the God Jesus unintentionally there.

But Jesus the Christ, Savior of the World and Son of YAHWEH, is the product of a poor understanding of hebrew grammar coupled with an overwrought and hysterical homoeroticism.

I don't deny Jesus the man of Nazareth his virtues, his ethics or his miraculous powers. What I no longer believe is that the man Jesus was the Son of God sent to save the world.

Which is why I find it difficult to understand why you keep threatening me with a hell i don't believe in.
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My wife reads and writes here as little whip. She's pointed out for me that Jesus the God of the Christians is not an egregor (not agregor) but a God-Form.

The difference is considerable.

All due respect to the God Jesus.
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LaHaye's books are, put simply, dreck. I am dismayed at the increasing number of bookstores displaying them in the "prophecy" section rather than the "fiction" section...too bad they don't have a "dreck" section...but I digress.
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Are you saying Jesus may not like him? Oh...[empathy in my voice]...Jesus loves you, and will love your husband no less. He is filled with mercy and grace. I am so sorry I did not stay here. Truth, I am a little nervous around people who claim to have fellowship with my old tenants. Do you understand?
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But he said that his Christ wouldn't like him! - your quote little_whip

These are the words I used in my response:-

I do not know if you will neccesarily find a warm reception, for it seems you have drifted into places where the light does not go.

May I add, I am not in any position to say who will an who won't I just know that approaching Jesus is always difficult when men and women are filled up with their own pride, and vanity of power. Your husband would need to repent of his sins, and I am not sure once again whether someone who is so deep into the occult would be willing to meet Jesus on His terms, but that again is not up to me. It is between your husband and Jesus. I am sorry if this was misconstrued. I would have definitely made myself a lot clearer if I knew such confusion would errupt.
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'As to your invitation to meet Jesus, I have to say in reply that I met the man some years ago and, to cut a long story short, ardent love became first disenchantment, then disappointment, and finally indifference. I see no reason to renew my acquaintance with him now.'

Hi EOC,
As I guessed, hence I did not return to irritate you with further requests of the same. However, now that little_whip, your special lady has enlightened me as to your desire for dialogue, I will happily read through the rest and hopefully we can overcome your resistance to the lover of your soul. The name I tried to render in Hebrew is Jesus the Messiah, the same one you have met, loved and left. Surely your heart must ache?




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the same one you have met, loved and left. Surely your heart must ache?


In His letter to the 7 churches (Ephesus), Christ said they had left their first love, remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly and will remove thy candelstick out of his place, except thou repent.

My question is how can darkness supplant Light? It sounds unto me that the eye, being evil, and the body full of darkness, the decption of the wicked one has been great. Oh, there is mercy and forgiveness.. but only in Jesus... the express image of His person, and brightness of His glory.

preacherman
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'A God-Form is an Egregore which attains it's status by inspiring worship from those who did not create it. It is then wholey owned and controlled by the worshippers, directed by their psychic energies, and cannot be killed or recalled by it's creator. Or can it?'

All this is interesting but unfortunately, I left this site for the very reason, it seems between yourself and your husband you have indeed cooked up an interesting set of ideas, as not source is revealed I would guage that is what they are your own, mixed with bits and pieces along the way. However, preacherman has consistently quoted from a known source.

Rejecting Jesus Christ after having known him is not the wisest of things to do. You will as a result open yourself up to the dark horde and they are able to twist and turn you every which way you turn. You will even think you have got powers and great wisdom. I do not want to talk to you Scripture now. Only of how my heart was nearly destroyed for taking the path you seem to have chosen.

One morning I awoke to find the entire room in flames, my wife was not burning, I was, she was standing beside of the bed looking at me and wondering what was going on. Within minutes of this, my Mother arrived and with great speed she put out the flames, she looked so sweet I though in her bonnet. That was the end of a road. How did it start.

Sweet young 18 year old boy with wide eyes and living and loving Jesus, reading my Bible, praying, fasting, going to meetings and worshipping Yahweh. (The Monotheistic God of Heaven, Jesus did not teach polytheism or three godisms of any kind, he taught us to worship Echod Adonai. One God...a composite unity.) Gradually over a period of years I began to compromise and went bit by bit back to the old habits and sins that had controlled my life before I met Jesus. During my numerous experiences I uncovered that I had drawn the affection of a spirit witch. The name I will not share as I do not wish anyone to summon such a being, she controlled my creative abilities and wanted them for herself. Well that is as far as I could gather. I had numerous visitations for demons, and eventually things go out of control. Things got on the inside fo me, I deluded myself that I was experiencing the sought after philosophers stone, or that all my searching had finally been rewarded with a permanent eye into the supernatural, which is what I had. Eventually, all contact with the Mother ship was lost....this entire nightmare lasted from1983 until 1990, at which point I had a complete nervous breakdown. I lost the operation of my hands and could no longer play guitar. I have never ever known a darkness that dark, if one can measure such things. Eventually during my period in the lock up ward of a Mental Hospital, I was visited by a man who I do respect not for being a Church person but a man who truly prays, he can vouch for all this, his name is Fans Klopper and was at the time the head of International Christian Embassy Jerusalem. His mother God rest her soul was a prayer intercessor, of which I do find myself in a similair state.

According as is the situation when you have become a disciple of Jesus Christ and you turn your back on him. The Holy Spirit will endeavour to get you back on track, should you then reject his gently wooing, will intensify the leverage, until if you refuse to turn from you sinful ways will commit your body to destruction. Your soul will be saved but your body will be destroyed. In other words you priviledges as a believer upon his earth, having been abused they will be taken from you and you will be escourted to await Christ from Paradise. You know the Bema seat. Christ's Judgement for believers.

So that was to be my end. I pleaded with him and he asked me what I wanted him to do, I said, "I have not been visited by a Minister of the Gospel since I came here, and I am trying so hard to get back to Jesus." He agreed and prayed from me.

I was to have a very awful dream about a month later that drove me away from my hankering for the corridors of Satan. I have subsequently not returned and far prefer an audience with the King of Kings that to take my chances with the uncertain realm of angels where satan is the ruler.

I am sorry to end so abruptly, it is super time and I got to hungry mouths to feed. I wish you and little_wing gentle passage to the afterlife and hope that you will reconsider putting Jesus back on the throne in your hearts. He after all has a name that is above all name an that at the name of JESUS every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that He is Lord.
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I gather emporor and little_whip that both of you are somewhat offended that I use the Word of God without apologies.

Deut. 8:3 Deut. 6:13 Deut.6:16

Sound familiar?

preacherman
Reply #25 Top
Agreed, they read like "Christianity Lite."


LW,

Yes...and as one who has recently had to special order books to replenish my library, I'm pissed that I can find 50,000 Benny Hinn Books, and every damn Tim Lahaye book at Hastings, but none of Deitrich Bonhoeffer (hell, Hastings couldn't even ORDER Bonhoeffer for me).