THe Religious Right are no better than hate groups

On the other hand, if the Christian right opposed to this ruling are coming out with arguments like “pray for Terri, let God take Michael”, I'm with spinkiller on this one - it's very hard to see how they can claim to be occupying the moral high ground.

I have always thought the fanatical religious right was a hate group.

They hate anyone who opposes them, and hide under the guise of "religion" while doing it. This is a tough issue. On one hand you have a husband trying to follow his wife's wishes, and on the other hand you have her family who doesn't want to let her go because they feel that she isn't as bad as the doctors are telling them.

Toss in a few jesus freaks who think they can cash in on the families collective misery, the media, and a state and federal government who are trashing states rights and personal freedoms...And you have the media circus that is going on today.

I feel bad for all parties involved in the Schiavo case. But the religous element involving themselves for the publicity makes me wanna puke.

This whole incident made me review my living will and DNR just to make sure that if i end up in a vegetative state, somebody will have the decency to pull all the plugs and tubes.

of course the elft NEVER lies, bends folds put spins on thing, call names, right?

elft? Ya can't even spell it right Mod... (kiddin)

I really don't see this as a purely left/right issue. But the extreme religous aspect is coming from that side of the fence. Remember, these jesus nutjobs are now threatening to kill the judge. Where's the "compassion" in that? The judge is following the letter of the law in this case. Should he just usurp the judicial process and cater to these morons?

No! That perverts the sytem of justice. And without law, where would we be?

Politics aside. I think that feelings are mixed on both sides with this issue. I'll bet if you asked some lefties they would side with the Schindlers, and if you asked some righties they would side with Michael Schiavo. This is a personal decision best left to the spouse. I know if i was in Terri's prediciment i would want the person who i chose to spend the rest of my life with to make that decision for me.

How about this...Let's just say for the sake of arguement you ended up in the same predicament as Terri. Would YOU want to be kept alive by artificial means? A feeding tube is an artificial way of powering the body. In some ways, it is different than what we think of as "life support" but in others it fits the description.

In the end, the decision is best left to the immediate family. According to the law Michael Schiavo is the immediate family.

If anything, this case is a glaring reminder that we are not immortal. We will all die someday. We should plan for that eventuality. A living will, care instructions, and a DNR (if chosen) should be on EVERYONES list. If not you might find yourself in Terri's shoes someday.

Would you be willing to put that on your loved ones? I wouldn't.

If you're using nasty signs at a protest as proof then perhaps you should take a closer look at left-wing protests sometime.  They're full of violent nasty hate-filled signs.

Therefore, by your argument, liberals are no better than hate groups.

Reply By: thatoneguyinslcPosted: Friday, March 25, 2005elft? Ya can't even spell it right Mod... (kiddin)I really don't see this as a purely left/right issue. But the extreme religous aspect is coming from that side of the fence. Remember, these jesus nutjobs are now threatening to kill the judge. Where's the "compassion" in that? The judge is following the letter of the law in this case. Should he just usurp the judicial process and cater to these morons?

i AGREE, threats of death come from zealots and nut jobs.

How about this...Let's just say for the sake of arguement you ended up in the same predicament as Terri. Would YOU want to be kept alive by artificial means? A feeding tube is an artificial way of powering the body. In some ways, it is different than what we think of as "life support" but in others it fits the description.

I have an advanced directive spelling out exactly what I want done... no machine life.. but I hope no one starves me to death.

In the end, the decision is best left to the immediate family. According to the law Michael Schiavo is the immediate family.

He has moved on and should allow the parents to speak for terry, thats just how I feel though.

Reply By: DraginolPosted: Friday, March 25, 2005If you're using nasty signs at a protest as proof then perhaps you should take a closer look at left-wing protests sometime. They're full of violent nasty hate-filled signs.Therefore, by your argument, liberals are no better than hate groups

brad makes a good point there.

Yep.. I agree with Brad. Anyone who pulls that kind of crap is what i would consider a "hate group" But i have to disagree with his classification of "Liberals". It's almost as if he thinks everybody with liberal leanings is hoping for Teri to die. That's just not the case. And a bad generalization to boot.

It's just that the extreme religious right is the forerunner and leading practitioners of intimidation/scare tactics to get their way. They are up for whacking anyone who opposes them. For the record. I think it should be said that not all those on the right who are supporting the Schindlers fit this title. In fact most of them are behaving in a sane and rational manner.

I guess its another case of "he who screams the loudest gets the most attention". Thanks to FOX, CNN, MSNBC, and the rest of the hoard it's just that much easier to get noticed.

I can't help but wonder how some of them would react if Terri was one of their family members though.

Since hating whole groups of people seems to be your forte, apparently we can count you among those you hate. ;~D

Yep.. I agree with Brad. Anyone who pulls that kind of crap is what i would consider a "hate group" But i have to disagree with his classification of "Liberals". It's almost as if he thinks everybody with liberal leanings is hoping for Teri to die. That's just not the case. And a bad generalization to boot.

I agree. I was just being analogous to painting the "Christian Right" as a hate group simply because one person in a protest or something held a sign that God should take the woman's husband instead.   If we're to tar the entire "Christian Right" as a hate group because some guy has a mean sign then liberals, who are much more likely to be holding up hate-filled signs in their protests (in my experience) can be tarred too.

That's the problem with over-generalizations.

Thanks for the clarification Brad.

Ted? was that directed at me or the author?

Ted? was that directed at me or the author?

All statements, not specifically directed at (or quote included by) someone else, is directed at the owner of the blog.

SLC, we may disagree on more than a few things, but I haven't seen much from you that would make me think of you as "a hater". As far as your post, again I disagree with some of it, but you do a great job in being specific about who you consider "haters", not just blanket statements like "The religious right are no better than hate groups".

Ted,

Cool. I thought that's what you meant, but i figured i should ask.

Helix?

Re-read my posts in this thread, and you will see that is my point. I use the extreme religious right in my arguements because they inserted themselves there. There are better ways to make your points than threatening to kill judges, Michael Shiavo, and trying to intimidate the general public at large.

The entire videotape that has been running ad nausem, is actually 40 minutes long. Only about 10 seconds have been aired. Why? Because it shows what only appears to be Terri responding to her mother?

AGREE, threats of death come from zealots and nut jobs.

Same thing.

I take exception to some of these comments. First, I am a very religious person. I go to church on a regular basis, volunteer for several groups,including the local Catholic food bank. I have cooked more food for the homeless than I want to remember. I am not looking for any "atta boys", but know I am anything but a hate monger,especially when religion is involved.
But maybe that's the point. I have no problem with anyone standing up for what they believe in. I have sent emails to every local legislator,the Governor, and the President. But in those emails I never told them I wished them harm,death,or anything else, except my vote,or lack of. But when you hold signs asking for the death of the husband while wearing their Cassock, then they are representing their religion. Wear a shirt and jeans, not what you would when saying mass. That is my problem with it, more than anything else. Children,as well as adults, see the robes and feel they are representing the religion as a whole. How do you explain that to a child who associates that person to who they see on Sunday, being tought to love thy neighbor, and read a sign asking to take the life of the husband who is doing nothing more than following his wife's last wish.

I agree with you 110% Spin. By wearing the uniform, you're representing the team. I don't see the pope (who is bodering on being incapacitated himself) chiming in about the monk.

Whip only sees what she wants to see. That's her right i guess.

As for me. Well, I'm less than religious, but as stated earlier i can see it from both sides. What most of these folks forget is that if it wasn't for artificial means, she would have been dead long ago. The only thing keeping her alive is the feeding tube. Her life has been artificially extended which if i'm not mistaken, is not looked at too highly by most religions. When it's your time...It's your time.

In the end, none of us truly know what we would do if we were the family. It's all armchair QB'ing for us. We have our beliefs and think everybody should think and worship like we do.

Think again.

I have a very simple sign around my license plate ". I am not religious, I just love GOD." thats it for me.

FREEDOM to worship as you choose is my motto, or not worship at all, just do not MAKE me go one way or the other.

Cool Spinkiller. What I took exception to, was your apparent blanketing of "the religious right" as "a hate group".

If you had have said it that way on the original article, I would have understood better. I agree that when you represent something beyond yourself, so do your actions.

Thanks for the clarification.

When you are a fanatical member of a religion which is based on FEARING God, with the threat of Eternal Damnation if you don't obey, what do you expect? These Christo-Nazis are a threat to the peace of this nation.

I really do believe that any fundamentalism, be it Christian, Judaism, Moslem, whatever, is tantamount to a hate group. It's inherent in their fundamentalistic attitudes. What makes the Christian right seem so particularly hateful is their sheer numbers, and the fact that they have this erroneous belief that this country was founded on Christian values, thereby making this a "Christian" country.

Nothing could be farther from the truth, when in fact, our Founders went out of their way to ensure that there would always be a separation of church and state. The numbers of the Chrisian "wrong" and the fact that our fearless leaders of the dubya dummy neocon deathcult ilk pander to these people is what makes it so scary. What's also really scary is that it is working for them. Kind of reminiscent of Nazi Germany, absent the genocide. Yet.

I really do believe that any fundamentalism, be it Christian, Judaism, Moslem, whatever, is tantamount to a hate group. It's inherent in their fundamentalistic attitudes. What makes the Christian right seem so particularly hateful is their sheer numbers, and the fact that they have this erroneous belief that this country was founded on Christian values, thereby making this a "Christian" country. Nothing could be farther from the truth, when in fact, our Founders went out of their way to ensure that there would always be a separation of church and state. The numbers of the Chrisian "wrong" and the fact that our fearless leaders of the dubya dummy neocon deathcult ilk pander to these people is what makes it so scary. What's also really scary is that it is working for them. Kind of reminiscent of Nazi Germany, absent the genocide. Yet.

Would you say that a group consisting of you and like-minded people wouldn't be a hate group?

Perhaps it's just me, but I do have to say that if i had to choose between the fundies we have now or groups consisting of you and like-minded people, I'd definitely prefer the latter, lest I be sent to a death camp... I mean happy camp for my pro-Bush opinions.

I'm really getting disgusted with seeing every freakin' thing going on these days compared to Nazi Germany.

I don't give a rat's ass that you're disgusted with the comparison. I do not disrespect those who died under that regime, which is why I fight like hell to see it not repeated. And yes, it is being repeated. Think PATRIOT ACT.

You're so blinded by your patriotism that you just refuse to see what is so obviously in front of you. You and the rest of your jingoistic, small-minded buddies. Screw you

Perhaps it's just me, but I do have to say that if i had to choose between the fundies we have now or groups consisting of you and like-minded people, I'd definitely prefer the latter, lest I be sent to a death camp... I mean happy camp for my pro-Bush opinions.

Oops, I meant to say former.

I don't give a rat's ass that you're disgusted with the comparison. I do not disrespect those who died under that regime, which is why I fight like hell to see it not repeated. And yes, it is being repeated. Think PATRIOT ACT. You're so blinded by your patriotism that you just refuse to see what is so obviously in front of you. You and the rest of your jingoistic, small-minded buddies. Screw you

Can you actually read what you write and not see it as hateful? If not, I wonder if the KKK or any other hate group considers their words to be hateful.

Can you actually read what you write and not see it as hateful? If not, I wonder if the KKK or any other hate group considers their words to be hateful.

Of course it's hateful. I hate you guys. But, if you really wanna know about hate and the KKK, just ask whipsy dipsy. Or, hate in general, ask minisculeman. He's about the most hateful sack of garbage, next to drmiler, that I've encountered in a long time.