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5 Year old Girl Arrested

The Wrong person was arrested

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150866,00.html
from JoeUser Forums

It seems that a 5 year girl threw a temper tantrum at her school, and after assaulting teachers and an assistant principal, was arrested by the police.  She was handcuffed and placed in the back of a police car (do they call them Squad cars any longer?).

But I think the police arrested the wrong person.  After doing all that, the mother, and I quote:

The girl's mother, Inda Akins, said she is consulting an attorney.

"She's never going back to that school," Akins said. "They set my baby up."

Excuse me?  Your child just tore up a classroom and assaulted the authoritarian figures, and you are consulting a lawyer and talking about a setup?

Yes, the child was setup all right.  By the parents who shirked their duty as parents!  The police should have arrested the mother for "Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor".

If there is a case where parents should lose custody of a child, this sure fits the bill!  That poor little girl is going to grow up thinking that she can do anything she wants just because an incompetant parent wanted to be her best friend instead of a parent.

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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top

 

So instead of calling the police to restrain the child, you are just doing it yourself. I don't think so.

It's part of my job as a teacher...and it's less traumatic for the child, as I'm someone with whom she is familiar and more comfortable

I watched the entire video and this was more than a "temper tamtrum". This child was physically tearing up the principals office and was way out of control. When a person, no matter what age, gets that out of control, it's time to call the authorities.

And if the teacher had done her job and calmed the girl prior to removing her to the principal's office, then she would never have gotten that out of control.

However you are right about one thing, this will happen again. Although it's not the fault of the school, it's the parents.

I would have to disagree....I think they share the blame.

I don't know anything about the child you had throwing a fit in your class but this girl was out to injure anyone who came near her. That's why it took more that one police officer to control her and safely get her into the handcuffs.

Well, let's put it this way...she threw a lamp at my head!   And she kept trying to put her head through a window...a CLOSED window. 

Also, the child in this incident had CALMED by the time the police arrived...the school authorities admit that, the police admit that...and she didn't begin to cry and scream again until the officers began putting her into the restraints. When they entered the office, she was sitting quietly on a chair, waiting for her mother.

 

Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
Right on! I am a Chicago Public School teacher and it seems you can't protect yourself neither against verbal nor physical assaults because the parents simply blame the teachers or the administrators without even hearing the whole story first. Yes, it is believable (after 9 years of teaching) to know that a parent can even watch their child on video behave in a violent, inappropriate way and STILL insist the adult in charge did something wrong. When are we going to start making certain parents liable for their negligence in properly raising their child?
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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
Right on! I am a Chicago Public School teacher and it seems you can't protect yourself neither against verbal nor physical assaults because the parents simply blame the teachers or the administrators without even hearing the whole story first. Yes, it is believable (after 9 years of teaching) to know that a parent can even watch their child on video behave in a violent, inappropriate way and STILL insist the adult in charge did something wrong. When are we going to start making certain parents liable for their negligence in properly raising their child?
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top
It's part of my job as a teacher...and it's less traumatic for the child, as I'm someone with whom she is familiar and more comfortable


I'm glad that you work in an area that allows it to be your job. I am all for teachers' and administrators being the authority figure in the classroom. Unfortunatly that isn't as common as it should be.

Back in the 70's, I was paddled. When I got home, my mom told me that she got a call from my shop teacher, who told her that he paddled me (but not why). When I told her why, I got grounded on top of the humiliation of the "stinger".

Guess what, I deserved both!! There is no doubt in my mind that my parents would have backed me 100% if I was in the right (actually, they did the few times I was), but when I wasn't, they backed the teacher and the school. Now that I'm a parent, so do I!
Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top
I've finally seen the video of this incident and frankly, I almost vomited. That little girl SEEMED (I'm not saying that she is) completely coddled and spoiled.

I'm also not saying that she deserved to be handcuffed. I don't know what I'd do if that happened in my classroom. I don't have anything in my classroom that can't be replaced, so, I hope what I would do is to take the other kids out and just let her finish having her tantrum. Hopefully I would be able to talk to her afterwards and let mom and the admins know.

My guess is that she was reacting to a totally spastic teacher--kids feed off the adults. If I'm high-strung on a particular day and I tend to raise my voice more, so do the kids. *I'm* the boss in the classroom...I set the tone.

There are anomalies in behavior however...~shrugs~ So who knows?
Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am a teacher


the principle


This gave me a chuckle. Yes, the teachers and the "principle" should have handled this problem.

(apologies, Dr.Guy)
Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top
It's absolutely pathetic that the police had to become involved in this case, but when we live in a world where lawsuits have taken precedence over personal responsibility, I can see why the authority figures would have been cautious about even breathing on the child.



Agreed.

I am not sure about the details in this one. I do find it hard to believe that this child took advantage of all the adults in the situation, but considering lawsuit happy America US of A, they just did what they could go as far as doig. They probably know the Mother too.

I, for one, do not disagree with handcuffing the child IF and only if, she was unstoppable. In the event that she was handcuffed, there should have been someone right next to her to make sure she did not hurt herself, ADD or otherwise.

That is the only problem I have with this. Where was the other officer watching the kid while handcuffed?

Mistakes were made here but they were not that larges for a lawsuit, in my opinion. I do not know the detials enough to feel otherwise.

Chances are, the woman is ignorant to what she is doing to her child. Ever watch nanny 911 or Super nanny? The people on there love their children, and they don't "abuse" their children. They are simply ignorant of how to raise a disciplined child. Chances are that the Mother grew up in a home that didn't have a lot of structure, so she doesn't know what to do either. Taking a child away from their own Mother should *always* be a last resort. Education should be the first.


Agreed.
Lets see what the Mother is doing to raise her child and help her to do better.

Educators ARE trained to physcially restrain children without harming them; the issue is that they shouldn't HAVE to be. Despite what you may think, it IS possible for children to cause physical damage to adults.


Never heard of that.



The bottom line is that this is an example of schools going off key. Either they are arresting student because the brought in a nail clipper or they can't do anything about a fight because they will ge sued.

I totally disagree with those who feel that teachers should be able to control a kid. The reality is the teacher can only do their best to control the situaton. If the kid does not come under control, there is not much that can be done without fear of being sued. The teacher has to think twice about a full blown stop of the kid, even if the kid is threatining another child.



I don't think children should be hit with any paddle, but clearly a teacher should be able to stop a fight with some amount of force or detain an unruley child who is dirupting the class and distroying things.
Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top
Oh and I wanted to mention something:
As a person currently going through a human rights battel and have some knowledge of the civil court areana, I have to tell you guys that sueing someone is not easy at all and can take years.

So take solice in the fact that it can go nowhere real fast.

My problem is that people think sueing is the first thing to do for any reason. This hurt REAL cases like mine where something actually happen well within civil law.

I think people need to take a hard look at themselves when they plan on suing someone and think about what they are going to go through as well as the other person.

That is what I did. It took a while to gain the curaoge to speak out, whistle blow and then file a human rights complaint (which was ignored almost to the point of being closed because of sue happy people and those who deal with them thinking this was just another case of money hungry person out for money).
Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am an instructional assistant in Special Education in the state of Oregon. I know that in Oregon you have to follow certain procedures and regulations per Oregon Administration Regulations. Violations of these OAR's can put you on administrative leave or even cost you your job. To legally restrain a student they have to be on an IEP (Individual Education Plan) and/or have a behavior plan in place that outlines specific guidelines for certain behaviors and how staff are to deal with them. These behaviour plans usually begin with the least restrictive attempts to the last resort of physical restraint and to be able to do so you have to have received "OIS" training (a course on legal restraints and how to properly use them) for the students behavioral needs. I can understand why the teacher and administrator did not restrain the child for the simple fear of losing their jobs, not to mentions laws suits are rampant these days too. I also know that many times if a child is having a "behavior" and other students are at risk of being hurt or injured it is part of the protocol to have the other students removed versus the child having the behavior. I have seen children, as well as adults traumatized by just witnessing the agressiveness of the behavioral child and having to be restrained. I myself have sustained injuries ranging from bite wounds,having my hair pulled out, my shirt ripped off of me (in front of an entire class), being choked, skin lacerations and a back injury from legally restraining a child. It is not a fun situation to be in to say the least and even more frustrating that the child with behaviors generally has more rights then those trying to keep them from injuring themselves, other students in the same educational entironment,etc. It is saddening to see this taking place on a regular basis and more often then is brought to the publics eye.
Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top
I know it can be difficult, but even with everything that has been said since my last post, I still think there were better ways to handle this situation. Hell, I have had to pin my own 14 y/o boy because he lost control of himself. (Something that doesn't happen since I started to stay home instead of having a job that required me to be out of town most of the time) I think this is just the little girl trying in the best way she knows how to get the attention she needs...maybe?
Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top
What ever happened to the "Good ole' Lickin'" , right across the " Good ole' Rear?"
See, this is what society has done! Kids now days have NO IDEA what the words ,"RESPECT" or"BEHAVE" mean! And no,I don't mean every time a child does a "NO,NO," give them a spanking. But by golly, when their "OUT of CONTROL" or exibiting,(quote) "UNEXCEPTABLE"
behavior, ................... well then? Why don't some of you just face it and come back to "REALITY!" This, "No,no, sweetie pie B.S., is totally rediculus! Children of today,walk all over us and it's high time WE ALL get back to the "BASICS," and STOP letting the children make us walk on "PINS N' NEEDLES" when disiplining them in fear of what will be said!
What's more important? What someone says about us? or Their FUTURE?
Reply #62 from JoeUser Forums Top
I have been in the position of having to restrain children, my own and other peples until the authorities could be called. In both cases I was dealing with a child with a mood disorder. All of the standard disciplinary strategies, e.g. timeout, removal of privileges, only work when the child is in the mood for it to be effective. With my student, we first called the child's social worker and SHE advised us to call the sheriff. For my son, I called the doctor and HE advised that I called the police. Part of their job in serving and protecting is helping people who are out of control even if they are cute and little. Without the help of the police or sheriff's deputy, neither child would have gotten safely to the services that they needed.

I think that in our litigious society, the teacher and the principal acted in the only appropriate way to protect all parties.

Someday this girl will be lost in a haze sex and drugs (rock and roll is optional) and the mother will wring her hands and say "why won't anybody help my little girl?" Maybe they both deserve our pity.
Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top
if the child was white


Silly me. I was picturing a white child in my head. Why must we play the race card...again.
Reply #64 from JoeUser Forums Top
if the child was white


Silly me. I was picturing a white child in my head. Why must we play the race card...again.