Assisted Suicide... wanna die?

from JoeUser Forums
Firstly ala LW..I shall make a disclaimer here ..in no way am i condoning suicide or the means of doing so. What I wish to provoke here is a discussion on the paradoxes of society. Why we accept one behavior and yet at the same time condemn another. When both really are the same thing.
It's all about the timing.

If you wanna die really quickly then slit your wrists. This is considered something as a huge immoral act, the act of taking your own life. You feel depressed want to end it all and you think that the quickest way is to just do it. Jump off a building. Gas yourself.

Whatever way your imagination can conquer up. To do it this way is to commit a sin against yourself and to humanity. You'll be considered as mentally instable, hell if it doesnt work you will be commited for therapy. In some countries it is even against the law.

If you want to do it slowly, so that no one will notice, so that it isnt considered so much suicide, then smoke.

Buy a packet of cigarettes a day smoke them for the next twenty or so years without fail, and you will die, a painful choking death. It wont be seen as commiting the act of suicide, because of the length of time it takes to destroy your lungs and it is all legal!

Wanna commit suicide? Wanna do it legally and assisted?

Then smoke.

Does this all make sense to you?
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
And if you want to commit suicide but the slightest bit slower, DON'T smoke. Cut down on your fat consumption, get plenty of exercise, go to bed early, avoid overindulgence, worship whichever God takes your fancy, buy organic, abstain from alcohol, live a life of unparalleled happiness, and have a tremendous genetic profile to begin with. Guess what? You're still going to conk out.

Smokers do not NECESSARILY die earlier than those around them. Smokers don't all experience 'a painful choking death'. Neither do non-smokers all AVOID 'a painful choking death'. And as for smokers as suicide-seekers - well sure, as long as you're going to lump the unhealthy eaters, the chronic worriers and the habitually sedentary (ie. 95% of the Western world) in the same boat with them.

I'm sure you must have a point to make here, Phoenixboi, but overstatement doesn't help. Statistics represent general trends only, not the certainty of individual experience. Remember the old adage about 'lies, damned lies and statistics'.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Another way to die earlier is to eat non-healthy foods. They truly are the suicidal bunch.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hey Furry just one question... Do you smoke?
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
The point I am trying to make here is the difference between committing suicide as a violent act of kiiling yourself immediately rather than doing it slowly.. both are doing the same thing.. yet one is seen as a crime and the other not. One is acceptable the other isnt.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

The point I am trying to make here is the difference between committing suicide as a violent act of kiiling yourself immediately rather than doing it slowly.. both are doing the same thing.. yet one is seen as a crime and the other not. One is acceptable the other isnt.


You need to do a little more reading on the subject. Just because someone smokes does NOT mean they will die from it. Granted it "raises" their chances of suiciding (dying). But it does not automatically mean they'll die from it. And before you ask "no" I don't smoke! Used to but that was 7 years ago.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
The point I am trying to make here is the difference between committing suicide as a violent act of kiiling yourself immediately rather than doing it slowly.. both are doing the same thing.. yet one is seen as a crime and the other not. One is acceptable the other isnt.


Well, one is intentionally done to kill oneself, and one isn't. If everything that is detrimental to one's health were illegal, I'm sure that people would complain (i.e. no more "unhealthy" food, no more pre-marital sex, no more not too much exercising and not enough, etc., no more sleeping in, etc.)
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Im using smoking here as an example.. you know I smoke, so im not having a go at people who smoke.

one is intentionally done to kill oneself, and one isn't


Although both have the same effect in the long run. Sure not everyone who smokes dies of lung cancer, but also not everyone who tries to kill themselves succeeds either.

If everything that is detrimental to one's health were illegal, I'm sure that people would complain


Why do we spend so much time trying to stay alive, when most people do their utmost to kill themselves, whether intentionally or unintentionally.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
' Hey Furry just one question... Do you smoke?'
No. But so what if I did? How does that affect my point? To quote from my previous comment, 'Statistics represent general trends only, not the certainty of individual experience.'

I simply find it interesting that, at this particular time, smoking - over and above any of the other 'unwise' practices I listed - appears to have become the leading social pariah.

I am reminded of a comment by the late writer Dennis Potter. (And before anyone asks, no - he didn't die of anything smoking related, but he was an enthusiastic cigarette smoker.) In one of his final interviews, Potter observed that lighting up in a Los Angeles coffee shop 'these days' (late 1990s) was liable to create more outrage than pulling out a handgun.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
If everything that is detrimental to one's health were illegal, I'm sure that people would complain


Why do we spend so much time trying to stay alive, when most people do their utmost to kill themselves, whether intentionally or unintentionally.


This is a very worthy question. If it were up to me I would op for going quietly into the night (given my disability) right now. Dying does not scare me. It the possible pain associated with it that I wouldn't care for.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
I simply find it interesting that, at this particular time, smoking - over and above any of the other 'unwise' practices I listed - appears to have become the leading social pariah.


Maybe because it is becoming much more socially unacceptable to smoke. Being someone who just gave up ... it has now been 33 hours.
Dying does not scare me. It the possible pain associated with it that I wouldn't care for.


Yeah the pain of dying a painful death isnt appealing at all. Hopefully when we go we go, and it doesnt get dragged on.

As an aside to this.. a friend of mine tonight tried to commit suicide. He overdosed on his medication. He is currently in hospital in a coma and we arent sure if he will come out of it or not.